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post #7231 of 9972
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Originally Posted by EricST View Post

Well that didn't take long , Had the 50ST55 for 2 days and already the thing is making a Clicking noise and turning itself on and off.

Take it back. Mine did that after 3 months. It will not turn on and the only way to get it to stop clicking over and over again is to unplug it. Been waiting 4 weeks for a backordered A-board to hopefully fix it.
post #7232 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Scott Tucker View Post

Take it back. Mine did that after 3 months. It will not turn on and the only way to get it to stop clicking over and over again is to unplug it. Been waiting 4 weeks for a backordered A-board to hopefully fix it.

Oops, I see now from the later post you took it back. smile.gif
post #7233 of 9972
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

That's exactly right, but instead of running a Slide Show (#5.) all you really have to do is display the brightest slide - no need to run a slide show of all 20(?) colors. If it's going to buzz, it will be loudest on the brightest slides. So instead of selecting the red slideshow button, just scroll to the brightest slide in the onscreen grid and press Select to fill the screen with white then listen for any excessive buzz, then for the heck of it try manually selecting the other colors including Black (some have reported buzzing on black but not on white, go figure).
Right now i'm displaying the "whitest" slide show image on my 50GT50 in a silent room and i cannot hear any buzzing with my face a foot from the screen, but i can hear the fan on my Tivo below it and also the fan on my PC that's 15 feet away from the TV, and i can hear the fridge humming in the kitchen well beyond that. But i cannot hear any buzzing with my nose almost against the screen. When i put my head behind the TV then i can hear a little mosquito buzz from inside, but nothing from in front. This is what i consider to be normal operation, albeit on the better side of the range. I'd say if you can't hear any buzzing from say 2 feet away then you have a keeper. If you can hear any buzzing from 3-4 feet then you might have some deciding to do before letting the driver leave. wink.gif

Thanks Randy.

Step 5 was meant for use of D-nice's slides during the panel prep process, but I can see that prefacing it with "inspection process" led to your answer. I definitely will be using white during the inspection.
post #7234 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

Reason being that the larger panels (60/65) are slightly different than the smaller panels (50/55).
If you're not using D-Nice's settings, don't bother with the slides.
Panel-to-panel variations often cause differences in settings; depending on the model, it can vary a little or a lot. Not only that, but there are many ways to get to D65. Plus meters vary in accuracy (specifically colorimeters). For example, the i1D3 (what I have) doesn't read plasmas very well without a correction table. The retail version of the i1D3 comes with spectral samples for certain display types, but it does not include plasma displays. Unit to unit variations on the i1D3 is very good, so I used a generic plasma correction table from another i1D3 and used it for my calibration. I found that it made a big difference (for the better) as it removed a lot of red tint in the grayscale.
As far as accuracy, it goes (from worst to best):
-Colorimeter no correction
-Colorimeter using a spectral sample
-Colorimeter using a generic correction table
-Colorimeter profiled against an accurate spectro on your display
-Spectro
The latter two are essentially the same as far as accuracy. Spectros use different measuring methods than colorimeters, and the only way to ensure 100% accuracy of a colorimeter, is to profile it against an accurate spectro. Pros usually use spectros, or they use spectros as well as a colorimeter because colorimeters are faster at measuring in darker stimulus percentages.
If you're calibrating yourself, why wait? Calibrate it now, then calibrate it later. If you're going to get your set professionally calibrated, it's best to wait at least 150hrs or more to be safe.
I bet I used the same plasma correction table as you did with my i1D3 -- I think I dug it up in the "HCFR Fork" thread and I believe it was either zoyd's or kjgarrison's table that I used. I plan to calibrate again in another week or two once I get over 100 hours on the set. In the meantime, I'm very pleased with the results.
post #7235 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Schwa View Post

I bet I used the same plasma correction table as you did with my i1D3 -- I think I dug it up in the "HCFR Fork" thread and I believe it was either zoyd's or kjgarrison's table that I used. I plan to calibrate again in another week or two once I get over 100 hours on the set. In the meantime, I'm very pleased with the results.
Ya I used kjgarrison's, which I believe was for his i1D3 Pro from chromapure. Zoyd's was taken from his Samsung plasma IIRC.
Both were close where the settings that I came up with were either the same or only a notch different. I used kj's because I found it to be a bit better on my setup.
post #7236 of 9972
^ it will be interesting to compare you two's settings once Schwa gets more hours on his tv. please post back, im curious on the differences. Schwa, what size is your tv? 65?
post #7237 of 9972
I received the delivery appointment email from Pilot Freight Services (Amazon):

Your TV delivery will be completed by a representative of Pilot Freight Services.
Here is what the service entails:
1. The representative will deliver your TV into whichever room in your home is
suitable for testing the TV.
2. They will remove the TV from its packaging.
3. They will test the TV for power and blue screen. Please note: When the outside
temperature is below 50 degrees, the power check cannot be performed as the unit
must be plugged in only when it comes up to room temperature.

Pilot Freight Services is not authorized to perform the following services:
1. Placement of the TV on an existing stand, table or entertainment center;
2. Assembly of the base of the TV;
3. Hooking the TV up to your cable box for you;
4. Mounting the TV or assemble any wall unit or stand;
5. Moving furniture to gain access to the power outlet. The Pilot representative
must have clear access to the power outlet to check if the TV powers up properly.

I was under the impression that I, not the rep, will do the power test (and then I check the TV for buzzing with D-Nice's slides).

Does the rep unpack the TV on the floor and leave it there during inspection/testing?
post #7238 of 9972
I'm getting ready to order the 65st50...does anyone have any experience using this Cheetah mount:

http://www.amazon.com/Cheetah-Articulating-Bracket-Displays-Ethernet/dp/B000WL6YY8/ref=pd_sim_sbs_e_2
post #7239 of 9972
If my software update
Option is grayed out does that mean its on the latest firmware? Plus i have a october 2012 build date
post #7240 of 9972
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

I received the delivery appointment email from Pilot Freight Services (Amazon):
Your TV delivery will be completed by a representative of Pilot Freight Services.
Here is what the service entails:
1. The representative will deliver your TV into whichever room in your home is
suitable for testing the TV.
2. They will remove the TV from its packaging.
3. They will test the TV for power and blue screen. Please note: When the outside
temperature is below 50 degrees, the power check cannot be performed as the unit
must be plugged in only when it comes up to room temperature.
Pilot Freight Services is not authorized to perform the following services:
1. Placement of the TV on an existing stand, table or entertainment center;
2. Assembly of the base of the TV;
3. Hooking the TV up to your cable box for you;
4. Mounting the TV or assemble any wall unit or stand;
5. Moving furniture to gain access to the power outlet. The Pilot representative
must have clear access to the power outlet to check if the TV powers up properly.
I was under the impression that I, not the rep, will do the power test (and then I check the TV for buzzing with D-Nice's slides).
Does the rep unpack the TV on the floor and leave it there during inspection/testing?
Yes. When Pilot delivered mine for Amazon they brought it in, took the box top off (left the tv in the bottom of the box), put batteries in the remote and turned on the tv to make sure that it came on. This process is not set in stone. You are the customer. Some have said that the guys put the stand on it for them. But whatever the case don't be shy about checking the tv thoroughly (within reason of course). They can wait 10 minutes for you to be sure. Offer them a pop or something while you look at it.
post #7241 of 9972
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Originally Posted by gomess023 View Post

If my software update
Option is grayed out does that mean its on the latest firmware? Plus i have a october 2012 build date
Go to Menu>Network>Software Update. It will tell you if you have the latest.
post #7242 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Go to Menu>Network>Software Update. It will tell you if you have the latest.
Thats the thing that option is greyed out for
Me
post #7243 of 9972
anyone else here use the motion smoother feature for example on ps3 or iuf you do on what content
post #7244 of 9972
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Originally Posted by gomess023 View Post

Thats the thing that option is greyed out for
Me
Menu>Network>Connection test
post #7245 of 9972
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Originally Posted by gomess023 View Post

anyone else here use the motion smoother feature for example on ps3 or iuf you do on what content
I dont. Some use it just for sports.
post #7246 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Scott Tucker View Post

Take it back. Mine did that after 3 months. It will not turn on and the only way to get it to stop clicking over and over again is to unplug it. Been waiting 4 weeks for a backordered A-board to hopefully fix it.
I did, and the best buy guy says after 5 min,Ant nothing wrong this here tv. And he slaps a clerence sticker on it and put it back on the shelf. I got a new one and so far ,so good.
post #7247 of 9972
Cool observation .. I was watching the Flintstones Christmas last night and MAN! , Was Fred's hair ever a beautiful jet black. LOL Really loving the tv but cant help not feeling nervous about it crapping out or IR or something negative going wrong with it.
post #7248 of 9972
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Originally Posted by EricST View Post

I did, and the best buy guy says after 5 min,Ant nothing wrong this here tv. And he slaps a clerence sticker on it and put it back on the shelf. I got a new one and so far ,so good.

I guess it's too late now but I would've went to the manager and told him/her that the employee put a defective TV that you returned back on the selling floor for the next unfortunate customer to buy and get screwed. That was unacceptable. What you just said makes me never want to buy a floor model of anything in the future.
post #7249 of 9972
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

I guess it's too late now but I would've went to the manager and told him/her that the employee put a defective TV that you returned back on the selling floor for the next unfortunate customer to buy and get screwed. That was unacceptable. What you just said makes me never want to buy a floor model of anything in the future.
Ya, the funny thing was he was the HT supervisor.
post #7250 of 9972
So just as I was on the fence about exchanging my 60ST50 for a borderline annoying buzzing issue, the TV made my decision easy: it started buzzing louder. Sitting 11 feet away with low volume I can distinctly hear the buzz. It's especially noticeable and distracting when changing channels or when the scene changes brightness. So I'm exchanging it. Only reason I'm staying with Panasonic is because of the fantastic PQ. Otherwise, I would ditch them as there are way too many reports of buzzing and it seems that a sizeable number of their panels are defective with excessive buzzing (although same can be said of Samsung's plasmas). Even after the exchange I'm still trepiditious I'll get a panel that buzzes too loudly.

Incidentally, the store where I got the 60ST50 has run out of them(seems like it's the best bang for your buck these days) and I need to wait till Friday to find out if they're getting more. If not, I may have to choose between 65ST50 and 60GT50.
post #7251 of 9972
Thread Starter 
Make sure you print those Pilot Terms out and keep it handy for when the Pilot driver(s) show up with your TV.

When Pilot delivered my friend's replacement ST30 last year, they sent two nice guys (possibly a father/son team) and they carried the TV upstairs into the living room, set it down, and handed the clip board to my friend to sign. I said "Hold on - you're supposed to plug the TV in the turn it on to make sure it works and they looked at me with a blank stare, then in very broken english said they don't know how. I told them they're supposed to be doing this but since they claimed to not know what do do i told them to wait and i popped the top of the box off, plugged the TV in and used the remote from his older Panasonic in his bedroom, brought up the menu then stuck an SD card in the slot and brought up some break in images and the TV worked fine. But they had no clue so i had to do it all myself. They were nice and patiently waited for the few minutes it took me to do this, but we could tell they were in a hurry to leave (they had several more TVs in their truck).

His first ST30 though was delivered by CEVA a week prior and without us even having to ask the lone driver with our help unpacked the TV, rested it against the couch, and he plugged it in and turned it on and were were immediately greeted with an extremely loud chainsaw buzzing sound. I quickly brought up the menu and it got even louder so we quickly unplugged it and the driver voluntarily took it back and apologized.

If your temperature is low and the driver refuses to test the TV for you, make him wait a few minutes and test it yourself (with the TV OFF) and thoroughly inspect the screen by shining a flashlight on every square inch of glass especially at the corners. The TV is rated for use in temperatures as low as 32F so it won't hurt to turn it on for 30 seconds to see if it powers up and to test for buzzing. For condensation to form the TV would have had to be subjected to moisture but it's extremely unlikely that it got wet on the trip over so there is nothing to worry about. But do not let that driver leave without testing the TV. I also always write the words "SUBJECT TO INSPECTION FOR HIDDEN DAMAGE" before signing my name on the line - this will help if you later have to file a claim in the next day or two.
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

I received the delivery appointment email from Pilot Freight Services (Amazon):
Your TV delivery will be completed by a representative of Pilot Freight Services.
Here is what the service entails:
1. The representative will deliver your TV into whichever room in your home is
suitable for testing the TV.
2. They will remove the TV from its packaging.
3. They will test the TV for power and blue screen. Please note: When the outside
temperature is below 50 degrees, the power check cannot be performed as the unit
must be plugged in only when it comes up to room temperature.
Pilot Freight Services is not authorized to perform the following services:
1. Placement of the TV on an existing stand, table or entertainment center;
2. Assembly of the base of the TV;
3. Hooking the TV up to your cable box for you;
4. Mounting the TV or assemble any wall unit or stand;
5. Moving furniture to gain access to the power outlet. The Pilot representative
must have clear access to the power outlet to check if the TV powers up properly.
I was under the impression that I, not the rep, will do the power test (and then I check the TV for buzzing with D-Nice's slides).
Does the rep unpack the TV on the floor and leave it there during inspection/testing?
post #7252 of 9972
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

For condensation to form the TV would have had to be subjected to moisture

Uh no. Where do you think the condensation that forms on the outside of a water bottle you take out of the fridge comes from? It's not cause someone dropped it in a bucket. It comes from the moisture in the air. Same with the condensation you see on your car in the morning, the condensation that forms on your glasses when you breathe on them, etc.

A cold surface tends to collect condensation in a warm environment.
post #7253 of 9972
So I got my ST50 65 Inch a few days ago. Great set. But the problem is, I think the picture suffers quite a bit when viewing in the daytime. I have 3 full windows (closed curtains) behind my couch which is facing the TV. I am using DNICE settings, and the picture just seems a little dull and doesn't have much pop to it. I can actually see the reflection of all 3 windows in dark scenes. Upping the contrast a bit helped, but now I am wondering if a plasma was a bad choice for my current setup. Good news is that I mostly watch TV in that room at night 70% of the time, but it kinda stinks when I have to watch it during the day.
post #7254 of 9972
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Originally Posted by benpatti View Post

So I got my ST50 65 Inch a few days ago. Great set. But the problem is, I think the picture suffers quite a bit when viewing in the daytime. I have 3 full windows (closed curtains) behind my couch which is facing the TV. I am using DNICE settings, and the picture just seems a little dull and doesn't have much pop to it. I can actually see the reflection of all 3 windows in dark scenes. Upping the contrast a bit helped, but now I am wondering if a plasma was a bad choice for my current setup. Good news is that I mostly watch TV in that room at night 70% of the time, but it kinda stinks when I have to watch it during the day.

What pioture mode are you using ? Maybe custom mode with mid-panel brightness would mitigate your issue ?
post #7255 of 9972
I am in Custom Mode with mid-panel brightness. I tried high-panel brightness and that just made the TV seem unnatural to me.
post #7256 of 9972
Will I be able to plug my laptop into my ST50 if my laptop does not have HDMI out? I do it currently on my VIZIO to watch ESPN

I was thinking of using a VGA to HDMI "converter" plug but I've heard these woudn't transfer the image from laptop to TV if my laptop graphics card doesn't support it?? It is an old laptop (3-4 years) so I doubt it does...

I know the one thing I will miss the most on my new ST is the fact that it doesn't have a PC input cool.gif
post #7257 of 9972
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Originally Posted by EricST View Post

What he said .
Side note. I am a Best Buy Silver rewards member and I got a email from them today telling me since I am a silver member I can have Best Buy iso calibrate my new plasma. Anyone had any experiences with them doing it?

I am a Silver memeber too and just called and set up the appointment for next friday.
I'm going to write down my settings before they get there, because i think i have a pretty good picture now. Since it's free i figured i'd try them out though
post #7258 of 9972
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Originally Posted by sethmp View Post

I am a Silver memeber too and just called and set up the appointment for next friday.
I'm going to write down my settings before they get there, because i think i have a pretty good picture now. Since it's free i figured i'd try them out though

You may want to capture your service menu defaults also in case they access that and cause some issues.
post #7259 of 9972
The best way to gey rid of ir if you notice some, scrolling bars?, watching hd content?, Anyone here use pixel orbiter?
post #7260 of 9972
Am i crazy or is my tv flickering? I am running the test patterns on my 55st50 right now and during white or grey slides i notice it flickering a bit. Does the tv need to get warmwd up or something or is it one of those things that happens to certain people? I never noticed it on my dlp
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