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post #7381 of 9972
btw i know frankie posted about posterization on ps3 720p content. just to confirm i see absolutely none of that and i run my ps3 to the tv so the tv is doing the upscaling. games look ridiculously stunning. just ran uncharted 3, cod, bunch of other games absolutely no posterization
post #7382 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Looneyhouston View Post

Well I got bestbuy to price match amazon on the 60gt 1899. So just to be on the safe side im going that route. I have read that the thx mode makes alot of difference in 3d. Plus getting the st for 1599 then calibrating would practically push me towards the gt price anyways.
A calibrated ST50 will give you a better picture than a non-calibrated GT50 in THX mode. But I am curious about 3D being better because of THX. Where did you read that? I like the 3D on the ST but I find it a little too dark.
post #7383 of 9972
dont worry about it i only get a little bit of ir on like those black screens with white font but it goes away in a minute or so. since my panel prep was done ive probably done 40 percent tv in full hd usually. 30 30split on nba and gaming. i just make sure when im done gaming sessions i run the scroll bar or watch full screen hd content just to be safe. also to reiterate d nice settings dont give me ir, maybe because they are little more tamed compared to the other settings
post #7384 of 9972
I got my 65st50 less than a week ago and i love the TV (didn't run any slides and did no calibration - the picture looks great - although I might play with it later). The only thing that bugs me is they put that damn bright red light power button at the bottom of the screen. So every once in a while my eye focuses on that. After a while, my brain is totally unaware of it, and then bam, i see it again. Did they have to make the power light such a bright red and near the middle at the bottom (I wish it was at a corner, and a more subdued color).
post #7385 of 9972
For the life of me i cant figure out any posiive impact the pixel orbiter has i think to age every pixel equally it might even have a negative impact. Im just gonna set it to disable which means off... Lol
post #7386 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Looneyhouston View Post

Yes I am on the fence because I am sending back a 1700 dollar LG LED 60" and I am trying to decide if I should get the 60" gt50 or the st50. Only 300 more out of pocket and I can get the gt or save 100 and get the St. The only thing I am concerned about is the 3d quality difference. If there is any. Also at bestbuy the st is a (special) order so there is supposedly a difference in return policies. How is the 3d on the st? Sorry for the long post and thanks for the speedy replies. smile.gif

Just my opinion here, I have a 65VT50 upstairs and a 60ST50 downstairs. Neither has been calibrated yet. The VT is on THX Cinema and the ST is on DNice settings after following his slides for well over 100 hours.

The VT is in a righter room. The ST is in the basement. The VT is the best picture that I have seen and I only expect it to get better. It was fantastic out of the box in THX Cinema. The ST did not look good to me out of the box. Colors wer off and overall clarity was not there. That said after the slides and then the DNice settings I cannot tell any differences between the two sets with the same material. Full disclosure, the only material that I have viewed on both in a timely manner would be HD cable when I go downstairs to watch a football game for instance.

I also have both sets running through Onkyo receivers which are up converting all signals to 1080P. Upstairs is a 3007, downstairs is a 5009.

If I were to do it again, I would be satisfied that I could get a 65St50 upstairs run the slides or whatever for a couple hundred hours and then use someone's settings or get the set calibrated and have every bit as good of a picture. Saving with the ST over the VT and paying for calibration would still be money ahead, but would take a bit longer to get to the final endpoint, whereas, as stated above the VT in THX Cinema was outstanding out of the box.

The only variable is what the picture looks like on the VT after it is calibrated. I am planning on getting both sets calibrated by a professional in the next couple of months.

I have no other data or other scientific evidence other than my own regular eyes, so take it for what it is worth.
post #7387 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

WOW! I dont really know what to say. You are handling it better than I probably would. I would be calling them every day from now on until you can get something concrete. Do you have a work order # or anything to prove you have been going through this? Ask peoples names (this can be surprisingly effective sometimes) and request a supervisor on every call. You should be compensated somehow but you need some evidence. If nothing else a higher model and they can keep the A-Board. Tell them to email you something. Dont let it stress you too much though. It is just a tv and it will work out eventually.

I not letting it get to me too much. I do have 8 other TV's in my home, but damn, I want this one fixed cuz it looks so darn good. smile.gif I'm giving them a few days to see what they do and then I'll call again. I just want to know when will it be fixed, and if it's going to be longer than about a week or two, I just want a new TV, and they can come pick this one up.
post #7388 of 9972
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Originally Posted by stevensly View Post

ah crap after reading up on 'line bleed' that's exactly what it is!
Can this be fixed via calibration or is this a defect in the panel?
Is line bleed just as prominent as banding?
kinda disappointed here mad.gif
Every plasma I've had (and I've had 5 of 'em) has had line bleed. Other than on the green ratings screen at the beginning of movie previews I've never seen it.
post #7389 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Schwa View Post

Every plasma I've had (and I've had 5 of 'em) has had line bleed. Other than on the green ratings screen at the beginning of movie previews I've never seen it.

Pretty much the same here - i have four Plasmas and have spent time with many others at friends' and family's Plasmas and i only ever see it on those green movie preview screens to some extent or another (they are by far the biggest offender). I was less noticeable on friend's two Kuros.
I have only seen Line Bleed once during regular content - i was watching boxing and i saw the ropes pass through the boxer as he leaned against the ropes. It was obvious, but i never saw it the rest of the match and i haven't seen it since on regular content. For me at least it's a complete non-issue. Maybe not so much for someone who's TV does it worse than mine do though . . . .
post #7390 of 9972
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Originally Posted by mgrotel View Post

i took mine out of the box, but considered doing it in the box. i think the only possible issue would be to make sure it didnt over heat, but the bottom of the box is so small that i dont think that really matters.
I ran mine for pretty much 100 hrs straight and had no problems. I went out of town for the weekend so most of it was done when I got back.
post #7391 of 9972
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Originally Posted by gbeck View Post

I got my 65st50 less than a week ago and i love the TV (didn't run any slides and did no calibration - the picture looks great - although I might play with it later). The only thing that bugs me is they put that damn bright red light power button at the bottom of the screen. So every once in a while my eye focuses on that. After a while, my brain is totally unaware of it, and then bam, i see it again. Did they have to make the power light such a bright red and near the middle at the bottom (I wish it was at a corner, and a more subdued color).
The engineer who made that decision should be smacked. Only thing I have ever seen where the standby light only lights when it is on. Yes I know its a power light but it should be a standby light like every other electronic device I have. I bet a firmware update could fix that.
post #7392 of 9972
After reading up a bit on this TV tonight, I decided to order the 55" ST50 from Amazon for $1200. I would say $1200 is pretty much at the limit of what I'd be willing to spend on a TV, and from the reviews that I've read it sounds like this one is pretty high up there in terms of quality at this price range. My main uses are 1) PC Gaming, 2) Sporting events on TV and 3) Blu Ray movies/PS3 games. From what I've read here, it appears that the user D-Nice has the best settings for calibration?

The one thing that's on my mind though, and hopefully I can get a bit of "reassurance" from the crowd here, is that I will be a first time plasma owner. I just can't help but worry a bit about the IR/Burn In potential of plasma TV's, are there any current owners who can calm me a bit? I mean....I'm by no means a "hardcore" TV user/watcher. I would say, most days, my TV is on for about 4 hours. Maybe 5. And while I do play games, which I understand can cause IR/Burn more than other sources, the overwhelming majority of the time I don't play the same game for more than an hour or so. I just want to move on and do something else by that time. I guess what I'm trying to say is, as long as I'm not someone who manages to keep the same thing on the screen for like 3 hours+ consistently, I SHOULD be ok, right?

I'm just pretty excited to get the TV considering what I've read, right now I have a 52" Samsung ln52a550p3f and I'm hoping for a pretty good upgrade from that.
post #7393 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I ran mine for pretty much 100 hrs straight and had no problems. I went out of town for the weekend so most of it was done when I got back.

thats exactly what i did too, was out of town for the week on business so left it running the whole time
post #7394 of 9972
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Originally Posted by HLdan View Post

I guess it's too late now but I would've went to the manager and told him/her that the employee put a defective TV that you returned back on the selling floor for the next unfortunate customer to buy and get screwed. That was unacceptable. What you just said makes me never want to buy a floor model of anything in the future.

lol, they did the same with a tv i returned last week, it had a dead pixel, the lady at the geek squad who really did not look or sound like she knew what she was talking about said "they told you that you could exchange it for that little thing?", lol. Anyway, it was a 50" LG PA5500 i got them to price match at bj's black friday price of $499. I got the new unit with no dead pixels, but ended up returning it as I was able to score a 55ST50 from a local retailer for the same price the other day. Anyway, while there after i returned the tv i checked out the other tvs and the 3d glasses, and noticed the first one i returned being sold for $478 open box. did not see anything saying it had a dead pixel.
post #7395 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Jonhern View Post

lol, they did the same with a tv i returned last week, it had a dead pixel, the lady at the geek squad who really did not look or sound like she knew what she was talking about said "they told you that you could exchange it for that little thing?", lol. Anyway, it was a 50" LG PA5500 i got them to price match at bj's black friday price of $499. I got the new unit with no dead pixels, but ended up returning it as I was able to score a 55ST50 from a local retailer for the same price the other day. Anyway, while there after i returned the tv i checked out the other tvs and the 3d glasses, and noticed the first one i returned being sold for $478 open box. did not see anything saying it had a dead pixel.
That's because technically one dead pixel is within manufacturers' tolerances and isn't considered defective. If my TV was fine other than one dead pixel I wouldn't go to the trouble of returning it...it's pretty likely you'd get a worse problem with the next try.
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Originally Posted by Schwa View Post

That's because technically one dead pixel is within manufacturers' tolerances and isn't considered defective. If my TV was fine other than one dead pixel I wouldn't go to the trouble of returning it...it's pretty likely you'd get a worse problem with the next try.

i wouldn't be able to stop looking at it if i knew where it was. mad.gif
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Is it normal for the bezel not to be flush with the corners of the screen? Sitting on one end of the my 55ST50 I noticed light from a close by light bulb coming through. I moved closer and saw that there is a gap about 1/16" between the bezel and screen on the corners. I hate when I find imperfections I wasn't looking for or didn't even consider.
post #7398 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Jonhern View Post

i wouldn't be able to stop looking at it if i knew where it was. mad.gif
I guess you'd spend a lot of time with your face about one foot from the screen because that's about the only way that you'd notice a single dead pixel during day-to-day TV use.
post #7399 of 9972
Would u guys return the tv if you notics some banding on the grey slides? I
Mean id never notice it on normal viewing or and on the slides i always missed it because i have
To notice it from a certain angle
post #7400 of 9972
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

Is it normal for the bezel not to be flush with the corners of the screen? Sitting on one end of the my 55ST50 I noticed light from a close by light bulb coming through. I moved closer and saw that there is a gap about 1/16" between the bezel and screen on the corners. I hate when I find imperfections I wasn't looking for or didn't even consider.
Mine is the same.
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Originally Posted by gomess023 View Post

Would u guys return the tv if you notics some banding on the grey slides? I
Mean id never notice it on normal viewing or and on the slides i always missed it because i have
To notice it from a certain angle
No.
post #7402 of 9972
Okay so finally noticed some ir. i can only see it on a black screen or nec black slide. Im curious is this ir, burn in or dead pixels im asking because the burned in portion is darker than the black screen i always thought ir was a lighter image on a dark screen. Is this dead pixel or permanet burn in? Ive been trying to get rid of it with no luck . Should i try watching full hd content with contrast at 100 ?
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

The engineer who made that decision should be smacked. Only thing I have ever seen where the standby light only lights when it is on. Yes I know its a power light but it should be a standby light like every other electronic device I have. I bet a firmware update could fix that.

Buy a pack of Light Dims. Get the "Original" Light Dims which are 50% light blocking. The 100% versions completely block the light just like a square of black electrical tape does. They're about $3 at Fry's.

I use the 50% Light Dims, but before that i simply cut a tiny piece of black tape to cover the majority of the light, but just enough to leave a sliver of red light peeking through at the bottom. I had to focus on it to see any red light while watching TV. I also put Light Dims on my cable DVR and an alarm clock that's too bright. You can put two layers to make a light even darker.

http://lightdims.com/

http://lightdims.com/tvad.htm?PHPSESSID=afdb265d465ab355c5a33e3ece3c14d0
post #7404 of 9972
I have amazon delivery in 1 hour. Temp is below 50 so they will not turn t on.

Will amazon accept retern for 1 dead pixel or loud buzz if I find it after they leave?!
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Originally Posted by kstyv View Post

I have amazon delivery in 1 hour. Temp is below 50 so they will not turn t on.

If they refuse to turn it on, then make them wait one minute while you remove the upper half of the box and turn it on yourself to make sure that (A) you get a picture and can bring up the settings menu, and (B) to make sure it doesn't buzz right out of the box. We did this on my friend's ST30 last year after the driver refused and the TV buzzed extremely loud so we made him put it back on the truck.

The driver may not even be aware of the 50 degree thing, but it won't hurt to turn the TV on for 15 seconds to make sure it's working. It would take several minutes before condensation starts to form but your quick test will be over way before that happens. Also shine a flashlight over every inch of the screen (with the TV OFF) to make sure there are no small spider cracks in the panel behind the outer screen.

Before signing your name, write the words "Subject to Inspection for Hidden Damage". If the driver refuses to let you inspect the TV, write that down too and don't let him stop you from writing these comments. You are the customer, he isn't in charge.


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Will amazon accept retern for 1 dead pixel or loud buzz if I find it after they leave?!

Probably, but one dead pixel won't be visible from anything near a normal viewing distance and isn't considered a defect.
post #7406 of 9972
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Originally Posted by RandyWalters View Post

If they refuse to turn it on, then make them wait one minute while you remove the upper half of the box and turn it on yourself to make sure that (A) you get a picture and can bring up the settings menu, and (B) to make sure it doesn't buzz right out of the box. We did this on my friend's ST30 last year after the driver refused and the TV buzzed extremely loud so we made him put it back on the truck.
The driver may not even be aware of the 50 degree thing, but it won't hurt to turn the TV on for 15 seconds to make sure it's working. It would take several minutes before condensation starts to form but your quick test will be over way before that happens. Also shine a flashlight over every inch of the screen (with the TV OFF) to make sure there are no small spider cracks in the panel behind the outer screen.
Before signing your name, write the words "Subject to Inspection for Hidden Damage". If the driver refuses to let you inspect the TV, write that down too and don't let him stop you from writing these comments. You are the customer, he isn't in charge.

Probably, but one dead pixel won't be visible from anything near a normal viewing distance and isn't considered a defect.

My TV is being delivered today, as well... we just need to plug it in to power to test it, right? I don't have to hook it up to our cable connection, correct?
post #7407 of 9972
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Originally Posted by shermas View Post

My TV is being delivered today, as well... we just need to plug it in to power to test it, right? I don't have to hook it up to our cable connection, correct?

No you don't have to, just load the white slide on a usb and use the menu to find it.

Cheat sheet I sent my family member for delivery:
1. Quick glance for dents (on back and edges)
2. Flashlight for cracks
3. Turn on, white slide, look for dead pixels
4. Listen for Buzz
post #7408 of 9972
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Originally Posted by kstyv View Post

No you don't have to, just load the white slide on a usb and use the menu to find it.
Cheat sheet I sent my family member for delivery:
1. Quick glance for dents (on back and edges)
2. Flashlight for cracks
3. Turn on, white slide, look for dead pixels
4. Listen for Buzz

is there another way to test for pixels, without using a white slide on a usb drive? i wasn't going to run any slides before using the tv. i'm more of an 'unpack and enjoy' kind of guy. i'll probably leave full screen HD content on the set during the day for the first week or so for my 'break in.'
post #7409 of 9972
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Originally Posted by shermas View Post

is there another way to test for pixels, without using a white slide on a usb drive? i wasn't going to run any slides before using the tv. i'm more of an 'unpack and enjoy' kind of guy. i'll probably leave full screen HD content on the set during the day for the first week or so for my 'break in.'

you can try running the scrolling white bar and look for dead pixels and listen for buzz at the same time
post #7410 of 9972
I know Rahzel says slides are not needed. But I have always done this on my plasmas and feel more comfortable doing so and I have the patience to wait.
Does anyone have post slide settings for the 65st50? OR how different REALLY is the 65 from the smaller ones DNice used?
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