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post #8461 of 9972
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Originally Posted by fallengt View Post

My set is 2 months old, never run break-in and yes, it's calibrated...
And you're using an i1pro? If so, I would contact Pansonic. If your pictures aren't making it look worse than it really is in person, then that's not acceptable IMO. I know it's too late now, but if I saw that within my return/exchange window, I would've got it replaced at the store.
post #8462 of 9972
What is the lowest profile non swivel mount I can get for the 65 inch ST50?
post #8463 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Toepepper View Post

What is the lowest profile non swivel mount I can get for the 65 inch ST50?

not your answer per-say - but, you should look at getting something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Arlington-DVFR1W-1-Recessed-Electrical-Mounting/dp/B002W6ZOR4/ref=pd_cp_hi_3

Before I used one of these, I had a really nice flat hanger that I had the 'defeat' by installing spacing washers; there was not enough room for my plug when using a standard wall mount plug.
post #8464 of 9972
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Originally Posted by puzzl View Post

The slides provide no benefit to getting rid of IR, you should just play normal TV content.

Disagree. I had a huge "Impractical Jokers" stuck on my screen. It was so bad i could see it while watching regular tv.

Ran the slides for 18 hours straight and the IR went away.
post #8465 of 9972
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Originally Posted by BriscoCountyJr View Post

Panasonic 3d blu-ray player model BDT-220 is excellent and lots of bargain sale prices recently too.

I 2nd this vote. Bought one of these with my plasma and it has excellent picture quality plus plays netflix and amazon prime pretty good too.
post #8466 of 9972
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Originally Posted by TennisFreak View Post

Disagree. I had a huge "Impractical Jokers" stuck on my screen. It was so bad i could see it while watching regular tv.

Ran the slides for 18 hours straight and the IR went away.
But who is to say that regular content wouldn't have removed it? Getting rid of image retention is all about usage and evening out the phosphors in that area. IMO, regular full-screen content works better.
post #8467 of 9972
They both work.
post #8468 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

They both work.

That is his point. There is no bennifit to running the slides over watching just normal content. They both work just the same. So lets say instead of him using the slides, he just watched TV, it would have went away at the same rate.
post #8469 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

They both work.

You're right but where on earth did folks get the idea that running the slides for break-in mitigates IR ?
post #8470 of 9972
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

You're right but where on earth did folks get the idea that running the slides for break-in mitigates IR ?
No clue. D-Nice states in bold letters that it doesn't.
post #8471 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

No clue. D-Nice states in bold letters that it doesn't.

Another urban legend lol
post #8472 of 9972
Since we're on the topic of IR, I am happy to report that I can no longer see the IR from the "Up" blu-ray menu screen. It took 10 (+/-) hrs of blu-ray content to get rid of it. Pesky little bugger. I hope the chance of getting IR severely lessons as I accumulate more hours on my 55ST50. The reports of some not having IR initially and then getting it several hundred hours in is disconcerting.

On a related note, yesterday I was watching soccer on my 6 yr old Panasonic TH-PH429UK and I switched to an input with no signal (black screen) and I could see IR from the scoreboard and fox soccer logo. However, the only time I notice IR is when on the black no input screen. I do not see it during normal viewing. My ST50 is new, and therefore more prone to IR, but I was still upset that the IR from "Up" could be seen while watching normal content. Hopefully that was an extreme case and things get better.
post #8473 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Big Lebowski View Post

Good to hear they admit it is faulty. Now it would be interesting to hear if replacing a panel actually helps. Please report when you get it back.

Got it back at yesterday, so it took 2 months and 1 day to repair that. That was because new panel took 1,5 month arrive to Finland.
Now there´s new panel and I´m driving break-in slides for quicker re-calibration.
Time will show if this one is also such of sensitive for burn-in, I hope not rolleyes.gif
post #8474 of 9972
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Originally Posted by TennisFreak View Post

Disagree. I had a huge "Impractical Jokers" stuck on my screen. It was so bad i could see it while watching regular tv.

Ran the slides for 18 hours straight and the IR went away.

If you were watching tv for 18 hours straight the IR would of been gone also. Slides do nothing for getting rid of IR.
post #8475 of 9972
Hey everyone, I have a question regarding the 60ST50 I recently set up...

I've noticed that on news or sports tickers the horizontally scrolling text occasionally jumps or judders. I haven't noticed any problem with moving/action scenes or with FPS xbox 360 games as far as judder or choppy areas. The ticker issue is with HD cable provider content. When I notice a judder and rewind to watch that sequence again I don't see it skip in the scrolling text at the same point, which leads me to believe that it is an issue with the TV image processing or display and not with the source input.

I've noticed it on espn, espn2, and espn news coming in via AT&T HD feed. The main image that is being displayed simultaneously above shows fluid motion of sports highlights, talking heads, etc. without any issues.

Any ideas? Is this a common thing, and is anyone else having the same issue?

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Slides do nothing for getting rid of IR.
Wrong
post #8477 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

If you were watching tv for 18 hours straight the IR would of been gone also. Slides do nothing for getting rid of IR.

That statement does not make sense. You are probably trying to say that slides do no more to get rid of IR than watching normal content.

If I see any IR I will run the slides because I know I don't have to worry about another logo on the screen or a blu ray disc getting stopped/paused on a screen (Happened the other day). It is in essence like a screen saver in my mind.

Ideally for gaming, especially with fixed HUD content like most FPS games have it would be nice to have a slide that matched the HUD that would reverse the IR.
post #8478 of 9972
I would think the screen wipe function would be better at removing screen IR as the slides are full screen and cannot produce full contrast on PDPs.
post #8479 of 9972
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Originally Posted by IrishMB View Post

Hey everyone, I have a question regarding the 60ST50 I recently set up...

I've noticed that on news or sports tickers the horizontally scrolling text occasionally jumps or judders. I haven't noticed any problem with moving/action scenes or with FPS xbox 360 games as far as judder or choppy areas. The ticker issue is with HD cable provider content. When I notice a judder and rewind to watch that sequence again I don't see it skip in the scrolling text at the same point, which leads me to believe that it is an issue with the TV image processing or display and not with the source input.

I've noticed it on espn, espn2, and espn news coming in via AT&T HD feed. The main image that is being displayed simultaneously above shows fluid motion of sports highlights, talking heads, etc. without any issues.

Any ideas? Is this a common thing, and is anyone else having the same issue?

Thanks!

i actually see this sometimes as well. Not sure if thats just the way it is or not. Someone smarter will have to answer
post #8480 of 9972
Hey guys I have been following threads for
Months now...I have come down to the Samsung e7000 (buzz and shuts off randomly are my main concerns) and the ST or GT50 (Moderate IR issues and not as sharp). I would probably consider the ST do to value but the Image retention is really itching my skin. And the e7000 some say its sharper and just better overall it's just lacking a slight bit compared to the ST50 in black level performance but still does it pretty well. Obviously this is the panny thread and I'm leaning towards the Panny ST 50 and the new sets are going to be too much when they come out and with Superbowl around the corner prices are going to be great too. Looking for unbiased feedback or people who have owned both or own both. thank you very much I have been trying to keep up with everything

PS. I am not new to this TV stuff and am not one of those guys who compares at the store cuz the stores suck for comparison I look for reviews from professionals and other anal Andy's like the avs forum. I own a Pioneer 5020 and had a pioneer 111. Anyway I'm not a videophile but I am very anal when it comes to blacks,overall PQ,and IR becuase my 5020 handles all this perfectly so I'm a bit spoiled. Kind of sad pioneer is no longer in the game cuz damn did they make a good tv and its funny how they still use it as a reference panel even to this day for new panels. Thanks again
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I'm also a gamer mostly madden though ^^^^
post #8482 of 9972
I searched for ST50 vs e7000. There were quite a few results, with varying amounts of posts, but this looked well-written and had some good gaming-specific detail:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1413150/samsung-pn60e7000-vs-panasonic-p60st50
post #8483 of 9972
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Originally Posted by SeLfMaDe111985 View Post

I'm also a gamer mostly madden though ^^^^

i don't see any IR on mine except during Madden. And let me specify that it happens during madden in the offseason. When you spend about an hour doing the FA and draft and such. The beams on the side in the background show up. But after about 3 days of say 4 hours of regular tv, they go away. And it only showed up on the screen when it is pure white, so it does not interfere with normal programming
post #8484 of 9972
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Originally Posted by jonnythan View Post

That's not what DSE is. The DIrty Screen Effect is when it looks like your screen is dirty. It's very difficult to detect on static scenes. It's most apparent when you have a panning image containing large swaths of uniform color, like a hockey game. It looks like there are portions of the screen with very slightly different color or brightness, like they have dirt on them.
ah ok. so many terms to keep track of. Anyway, I have noticed some DSE on my panel. However, every plasma I looked at had it even the samsungs. The size of the panel also makes a difference, the the effect seems worse if there is a lot of noise or its a compression issue like with Netflix etc. I know the noise is a seperate issue but when you have noise in addition to the DSE you the screen will of course seem "dirtier." However, again, almost all plasmas had it to some degree.

The banding I believe is a slightly separate issue. Its still a uniformity issue however. I personally see it slightly on some scenes but very very faintly and rarely.

I was looking at all the issues and wondering if an full array LED panel would be any better quality. I have 2 more weeks to evaluate, but I haven't seen one any better than this panel (either there is halo effects or color issues) but if there is one around this price range I would consider it. Otherwise, as far as plasmas go, its a good picture for the price I think thus far.
post #8485 of 9972
also a good page to read on the DSE issues and uniformity. I have my brightness at 65 and contrast at 85. I watched some high quality streams of hockey on youtube, but apart from the compression issues, the DSE is noticeable but tolerable.

http://www.tweakguides.com/HDTV_10.html
post #8486 of 9972
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Originally Posted by sethmp View Post

i don't see any IR on mine except during Madden. And let me specify that it happens during madden in the offseason. When you spend about an hour doing the FA and draft and such. The beams on the side in the background show up. But after about 3 days of say 4 hours of regular tv, they go away. And it only showed up on the screen when it is pure white, so it does not interfere with normal programming
That's crazy...they improve their black level but destroy their IR prevention. I love my pioneer and the blacks but 3 days of regular viewing? I feel like I'm taking care of a new born child. The Sammy sounds like it would fit my needs a lil more plus it still has an awese picture but the blacks are my favorite
post #8487 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

But who is to say that regular content wouldn't have removed it? Getting rid of image retention is all about usage and evening out the phosphors in that area. IMO, regular full-screen content works better.

Not saying regular content wouldn't have removed it just replying to poster who claimed slides were useless for removing IR.

Why are so many posters being so dang arrogant about this.

I am not saying slides are better than watching regular content for removing IR I am just saying slides DO WORK, it is a fact not an opinion and I have used this method several times myself.

Why would I use slides over regular content?

Here is why I use slides sometimes.
Right now the Australian open grand slam is going on. During the evening the only thing I have time (or want to watch) is this. It is aired on the tennis channel and ESPN which both have bottom sections of screens dedicated to tickers and feeds. Watching nothing but that several nights a week for ~3 hours at a time makes for some pretty decent IR on the bottom of my panel.
I dont want to worry about looping a safe DVD or finding a channel that I know wont air something with a logo or black bars to run all night or day while I am asleep or at work.
So instead at night after I am done watching tennis (I do this only 1 day per week) before I go to bed I start running the slides. The IR is there and easy to see. The next morning before I go to work I go up to my TV check for IR (its gone) and then turn off the TV.
The slides give me a quick easy way for me to get rid of IR without me babysitting my TV and I dont have to worry about watching tennis 4 days in a row and it making a serious problem.
Edited by TennisFreak - 1/18/13 at 11:57am
post #8488 of 9972
i have my sony bdp-s790 with the 24p enable,when i press the display button it shows that is 24p but my st50 is on 60hz,not 48hz,does that increase judder? or motion blur? because i turn off the 24p on the sony and i see less judder but i could be my eyes,what is the best set up for that?
post #8489 of 9972
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Originally Posted by PRBR View Post

i have my sony bdp-s790 with the 24p enable,when i press the display button it shows that is 24p but my st50 is on 60hz,not 48hz,does that increase judder? or motion blur? because i turn off the 24p on the sony and i see less judder but i could be my eyes,what is the best set up for that?
Should be the opposite in my experience, but it probably depends on the player. Read my post here
post #8490 of 9972
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Originally Posted by sethmp View Post

i don't see any IR on mine except during Madden. And let me specify that it happens during madden in the offseason. When you spend about an hour doing the FA and draft and such. The beams on the side in the background show up. But after about 3 days of say 4 hours of regular tv, they go away. And it only showed up on the screen when it is pure white, so it does not interfere with normal programming

This reminded me why I am so glad that I have an ASUS monitor. For normal gaming I will use my 55ST50, but when I spend hours tweaking formations/lineups in FIFA 13 and NBA 2K11 I will use the monitor.
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