Official Panasonic ST50 Series Discussion Thread [No Street Price Talk] - Page 284

i have my sony bdp-s790 with the 24p enable,when i press the display button it shows that is 24p but my st50 is on 60hz,not 48hz,does that increase judder? or motion blur? because i turn off the 24p on the sony and i see less judder but i could be my eyes,what is the best set up for that?

Should be the opposite in my experience, but it probably depends on the player. Read my post here

This reminded me why I am so glad that I have an ASUS monitor. For normal gaming I will use my 55ST50, but when I spend hours tweaking formations/lineups in FIFA 13 and NBA 2K11 I will use the monitor.

Looking for help in changing my speaker output from TV to Home Theater, but the Viera Link menu is grayed-out. I get video but no sound from my Denon 1613 AVR when using Pandora, Youtube, etc. I've tried everything and the last thing I need to do is change the settings on the Viera Link, but can't access it.

I have the Viera Link settings in the setup menu turned ON.
My AVR receiver is connected to the ARC HDMI port.
I am able to listen to Pandora fine on the receiver but not on the TV.

Anyone have an idea how to access the Viera Link menu?

Thanks for any help

but what happend if i turn off the 24p on the player? would it send 60fps?

plus,i dont like warm2 setting,it looks strange,the whites are not white on this setting,that could be my player? i use normal and im happy but curious why everybody or almost every knowledge people use warm2.

Supposedly it gets you closest to the "standard" temperature of 6500K, of course this could be influenced by the white balance and greyscale calibration as well. Personally, I feel the same about warm2 and I use warm1 with my Blue high and blue low turned up a bit

I've wondered about the warm 2 setting myself. On every plasma display I've owned warm looks off to me. Whites don't seem white, but rather a feint, dirty brownish-yellow hue, like paper that has aged. I still leave it on warm to achieve 6500K. With warm 2 are we really seeing a white that isn't accurate (but with accurate primary colors) or are we so used to seeing white with a bluish hue?

It will output 60Hz. One way or another, film will get converted to 60Hz on the ST50, whether you output 24p or 60Hz.. you either allow the player or the ST50 to do the conversion. Unless you choose to use 48Hz (too much flicker for me), in which case your player will output 24p and the frames will be doubled to 48Hz with no conversion.
Warm2 is closer to D65, which is the standard reference white point used for video on the CIE chart. Below is a CIE diagram and the triangle inside is the color gamut used for rec.709 (which is the standard for HDTV). The points on the triangle are the primary colors (red, green and blue); between those points are the secondary colors (yellow, cyan and magenta); and the point in the middle of the rec.709 triangle is the reference white point (D65). The color temperature presets (Normal, Warm1, Warm2 etc.,) sets the color temperature of all of the shades of white, from the blackest black to the whitest white (aka grayscale). Having your grayscale calibrated to D65 allows your colors to be displayed on a neutral canvas (so to speak). If your grayscale is off, all of your colors will look off. Setting your color temperature to the warmest color temperature usually gets you the closest to D65. From there, further tweaking is usually needed to get all shades of white as close to D65 as possible using the White Balance controls in the Pro Settings menu.


Edited by rahzel - 1/18/13 at 9:26pm

Aiden

Are you in HDMI 2? Panasonic changed the Arc input to HDMI 2 on the current year models. Just a thought.

Also is arc turned on, on the Denon, I am not familiar with that Brands settings and it should not effect the Viera link settings) but maybe.

Also is the Denon switching to the right input for Arc? Again not familiar with that makes settings but as an example I know Onkyo switches to the TV/CD input when ARC kicks in.

Don't know if that's any help but.

Edited by Racer91 - 1/18/13 at 3:44pm

Thanks for that very explicit description--with some of this stuff, I don't even know where to begin researching. More to PRBR's and p3Orion's point, though, I also perceive Warm2's whites as off-white (they look a bit pink to me), and yet I can't deny that my plasma's blacks, flesh tones, and overall richness look best with Warm2. On the other hand, I'm using settings that I pulled from CNet, so maybe that's the problem. Still, if I'm not the only one who sees it this way... what does it mean? That we've all gravitated toward Cool temps from the day One, and we're used to thinking of blue-white as white? Or that it's not possible to have pure white, with complete colors, in the D65... uh... gamut? Spectrum? Help me please
Edited by SaviorMachine - 1/18/13 at 4:21pm

Thanks for the help. I am in HDMI 2, I was in 1 but changed it earlier to the ARC port. I'm not really sure if ARC is on, or how to turn it on. I figured when using an HDMI w/ ethernet in the ARC port on the TV it would work. I'm a total noob to all this so I'm in over my head w/ all this anyway, heh. I might try the thread for the Denon and ask there or maybe call Panasonic.

I've edited my post to explain and word things a bit better.

Plugging in settings could possibly make the picture worse due to unit to unit variations. If Cnet's settings look off, I would zero the white balance settings. Or you can try my settings on page 153.

I think it has to do with the fact that many people are used to a 'cooler' picture. Most TVs are usually on the cooler side out of the box and relatively few people actually calibrate or get their sets professionally calibrated, so to them it's what they think is normal. My calibrated 60ST50 looks perfectly fine on Warm2.

With that said, no one is forcing anyone to use warm2. It's your set to enjoy... use whatever looks best to your eyes.
Edited by rahzel - 1/18/13 at 5:13pm

Yeah, I guess we come to largely similar conclusions on this. Interesting. I definitely admit that I've always chosen cool color temps on monitors and TVs that allowed me to do so.

I found the below article a helpful read in regard to color temperature.

"The thing is, most people aren't used to an accurate color temperature. For decades, TV manufacturers have made their TVs exceedingly cool out of the box. Without knowing which individual TVs they shipped would end up in a store on display, they set every one to look good in this environment. It was easily documented that the brightest TV on the show floor would sell best (an adage that's still true, largely explaining LCD's popularity).

Thanks to some aspect of evolution beyond my hope of explaining, our brains perceive bluer TVs as brighter. Maybe it has something to do with Cro-Magnons only getting basic cable. Regardless, TV manufacturers made their TVs as bright and as blue as possible, in a peacock-like attempt to get your attention in Best Buy. "

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-20064010-1/what-is-tv-color-temperature-and-why-does-it-matter/

You're right, that is a helpful read. Thanks.

Not sure if the 2500 ffd is the culprit here or not but I've tested out several different 2012 Panasonic plasma models in my home for a week each.. ST50, GT50, and the U50 and I noticed that they all suffer from RBE (rainbow effect) except for one. Surprisingly enough, I found that the U50 was the only one of the whole line of 2012 Panasonic plasma models to that I didn't notice any RBE. The only thing I can think of is that the U50 does not have that 2500 ffd technology that all the other models do... so maybe that is why... not sure but that would be my best guess.

The U50 may not win as far as features are concerned (no 3d not a smart tv and has very little in ways of adjusting the picture for proper calibration and all of that) BUT from my experience, it does not seem to suffer from RBE at all and for me personally, having absolutely no rainbow effect while watching it trumps all else. It seems to me that the U50 is the only choice for a 2012 plasma with no rainbow effect.

Now if I'm wrong and someone has the U50 and experiences RBE with it then by all means speak up. I have heard from different people who own different 2012 plasmas and have heard complaints about RBE from all 2012 models EXCEPT for the U50. I haven't read anywhere online where someone has spoken up and said that the U50 suffers from RBE.

Anyone with a U50 feel free to chime in..
Edited by cinemasoul - 1/19/13 at 9:37pm

Not sure if the 2500 ffd is the culprit here or not but I've tested out several different 2012 Panasonic plasma models in my home for a week each.. ST50, GT50, and the U50 and I noticed that they all suffer from RBE (rainbow effect) except for one. Surprisingly enough, I found that the U50 was the only one of the whole line of 2012 Panasonic plasma models to that I didn't notice any RBE. The only thing I can think of is that the U50 does not have that 2500 ffd technology that all the other models do... so maybe that is why... not sure but that would be my best guess.

The U50 may not win as far as features are concerned (no 3d not a smart tv and has very little in ways of adjusting the picture for proper calibration and all of that) BUT from my experience, it does not seem to suffer from RBE at all and for me personally, having absolutely no rainbow effect while watching it trumps all else. It seems to me that the U50 is the only choice for a 2012 plasma with no rainbow effect.

Now if I'm wrong and someone has the U50 and experiences RBE with it then by all means speak up. I have heard from different people who own different 2012 plasmas and have heard complaints about RBE from all 2012 models EXCEPT for the U50. I haven't read anywhere online where someone has spoken up and said that the U50 suffers from RBE.

Anyone with a U50 feel free to chime in..
Edited by cinemasoul - 1/19/13 at 9:36pm

The RBE you see is more related to your physiological make up than it is to the particular plasma display that you're watching. Only a very small percentage of viewers are capable of seeing RBE. Among those that do see RBE there is a wide range of experience. Your RBE "capability" must be borderline or you would see it on all plasmas. The U50 display must be just enough different from the other displays that it gets you on the good side of the RBE threshold. Another person with a wider threshold for RBE might also see it on the U50 sets.

Maybe you're all blessed with a faster eye/brain reaction than the rest of us.

I used to be so weirded-out by the rainbow trails, until my brain decided that they were extraneous and irrelevant, and that it could ignore them. Now I only remember the way the rainbow trails used to look--I don't remember anymore how to see them. True story.

Similar to whether or not an individual notices the Reel Change Black Spots - that showed up back when movies still had reels....

Once you saw them, you tended to continue to see them - until such time as you were able to "learn" to ignore them!

I've had my ST50 55'' for a week and I am very happy with it, I have though experienced some phosphor trails, but as I understand this is normal? Will it get better in time? Never noticed it on my 42'' G20.
Also, I watch a lot of movies, is it ''dangerous'' for the tv to watch movies with the letterbox (black bars)? Because it might cause permanent burn in, something I never experienced with my old plasma.

I didn't think burn in was such a big problem anymore.

Thanks in advance

I just got the 60 inch st yesterday. This beast is amazing!

I think I hear a minor lip sync issue when I take audio out via optical cable to AVS.
If I simulaneously play sound from ST50 speakers + AVR it is not perfectly sync'ed.
Believe AVR is lagging slightly. Have we discussed this before? (could not find via search)
Edited by HDTBill - 1/21/13 at 12:12pm

That is common. I assume by AVS you mean AVR (Audio Video Receiver). Depending on your receiver, you may be able to fix that. It shouldn't be so bad that you can choose either receiver sound or tv sound and not notice.

Yes AVR sorry messed up the acronym. I made the edit in the OP. Thanks for the feedback.

I've been watching hockey for the last couple nights. I'm bouncing between normal and warm1, and gamma to 2.2 to get it to what I think looks right for hockey. The only time I notice ABL is when I'm in the menu. Other than that it's looking great.


Edit: I'm using cnets settings.
Edited by Walker2 - 1/21/13 at 5:40pm

So I have a question. I've had my ST50 for about 4 months now and loved it.

Recently in my guide I've been noticing some vertical lines when there is text on the screen on a static background. Most noticeably in the FIOS menu overlay things. It is kind of hard to make out from this pic but I took a pictures of what I mean.



It is like there is a darker silouhette line almost, in the red boxes, that mimics what is in the guide over to the right side of it.

I am not sure if this has always been there, and if this is normal, or if this has gotten worse recently or something.

Anyone have any idea?

Line bleed? Does it look like a continuation of the line?

That is a way to describe it, I just wasn't sure what the term is. It is like the light colors of the text bleed into the darker areas as a darker shade of the place they are in.

Is this normal or is something wrong with my TV? Or is this the cable box that is giving me the issues?