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post #8521 of 9972
I have no banding
post #8522 of 9972
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

^^^

Sounds like the vertical banding that many, if not all, ST50's have to some degree. My 55ST50 has a feint band on the right side.

This photo shows the line on the right side. It is more apparent on the dark gray slide.

I assume your return window ends on January 31. If so, mine does as well. My 55ST50 has a few niggling issues, but I don't think I want exchange it.
That is not banding. Banding is something that you see while watching regular content. What you and rahabib have is a screen defect that is in nearly all STs. Mine has it. It is not noticeable during regular viewing and if you return it there is a very good chance the next one will also have it. If its any consolation mine has faded considerably since June. When I run the scrolling bar I can just make it out but probably wouldnt notice it if I didnt already know it was there.
post #8523 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

That is not banding. Banding is something that you see while watching regular content. What you and rahabib have is a screen defect that is in nearly all STs. Mine has it. It is not noticeable during regular viewing and if you return it there is a very good chance the next one will also have it. If its any consolation mine has faded considerably since June. When I run the scrolling bar I can just make it out but probably wouldnt notice it if I didnt already know it was there.

Thanks for the clarification. MI6 will be proud. tongue.gif It's been a while since I read the talk surrounding the vertical bar issue. Mine is not noticeable during normal viewing, only on the gray slides.

What's the term for the vertical streaks I see when the camera pans across the field during a soccer match?
post #8524 of 9972
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

If it's line bleed I believe it is normal, although I'm not sure about the variation from display to display. My 55ST50 has more pronounced line bleed than my 6 year old Panasonic plasma.

Here are some pictures I took of line bleed:


Notice the horizontal lines that extend from Carl's glasses.


The bar light behind the kid goes through his face. The camera didn't pick it up as well.

Okay well if it is normal then I won't worry too much. I really never noticed it until I started noticing it in the menu of my DVR, and now I've noticed it somewhat in other programs. I definitely noticed it in South Park, which has a lot of static background scenes.
post #8525 of 9972
I don't know if these have been brought up on here before, but I just came across these:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10909&cs_id=1090902&p_id=9460&seq=1&format=2

A bit pricier than Amazon.
post #8526 of 9972
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Originally Posted by p3Orion View Post

^^^

Sounds like the vertical banding that many, if not all, ST50's have to some degree. My 55ST50 has a feint band on the right side.

This photo shows the line on the right side. It is more apparent on the dark gray slide.



I assume your return window ends on January 31. If so, mine does as well. My 55ST50 has a few niggling issues, but I don't think I want exchange it.

I have until the 25th (well really the 28th - but first payment is the 25th.)

Anyway, the streak I think is just the same uniformity issues everyone has, although I think mine is a bit brighter - but hard to tell via pictures. Its not deal breaking as I rarely see it except when there is a scene where its a light blue sky and since its feathered, its hardly noticeable. The DSE is really only annoying when watching bright scenes and its noisy to begin with (bad cable feed, etc.) Most people would only see the noise but its compounded with the DSE. I doubt any other plasma is going to be much better as this one isn't terrible. Really the only thing I worry about is the IR retention getting worse. If it was doing this from the beginning, I probably would expect it to get better, but since it just started, it makes be believe that it may only get worse. I read that people say this fades after 400 hours, but thats well beyond my 30 days and "stubborn" IR is not covered in the warranty. Maybe I can use the uniformity as an excuse, Ill have to read the return policy.

The buzzing seems to have gone down a bit, and may have been an issue only because I turned up the contrast a bit and forgot to set it back to 85. Also the TV had been on for 24 hours straight running slides and that may have contributed because even when I set it higher it doesn't buzz nearly as loud as it was the other day.

To complicate matters worse, the Sammy e6500 isn't carried there, I would have to get it at Best Buy or Amazon. The e550 is there, but the glare may be an larger irritation than IR :P. The last resort is to simply try a new st50 and hope that the IR isnt as bad - it also buys me another 30 days, but then I have to go through all the burn in slides to really compare.
post #8527 of 9972
I have this stripes on the left side biggrin.gif Maybe they turnd the display the other way round in my TV biggrin.gif


Nokia 808 distortion Panasonic STW50 uniformity by m1.m1., on Flickr
post #8528 of 9972
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Originally Posted by CLEHD View Post

I don't know if these have been brought up on here before, but I just came across these:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10909&cs_id=1090902&p_id=9460&seq=1&format=2

A bit pricier than Amazon.
My understanding is that they don't work as well as the Panasonic glasses either. They also are not rechargeable like the Pan glasses.
post #8529 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Rahabib View Post

Really the only thing I worry about is the IR retention getting worse. If it was doing this from the beginning, I probably would expect it to get better, but since it just started, it makes be believe that it may only get worse. I read that people say this fades after 400 hours, but thats well beyond my 30 days and "stubborn" IR is not covered in the warranty. Maybe I can use the uniformity as an excuse, Ill have to read the return policy.

The buzzing seems to have gone down a bit, and may have been an issue only because I turned up the contrast a bit and forgot to set it back to 85. Also the TV had been on for 24 hours straight running slides and that may have contributed because even when I set it higher it doesn't buzz nearly as loud as it was the other day.

What are the rest of your settings? It's possible that the high settings that are effecting the buzzing are also what are increasing your IR.
post #8530 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Wolowizard View Post

What are the rest of your settings? It's possible that the high settings that are effecting the buzzing are also what are increasing your IR.

I dont think my settings are high:
contrast 85
brightness 72
color: 48
tint: 0
sharpness: 0

color temp: normal
in adv. settings: blue +4

I didn't like the yellowish/brown look from warm 2.
post #8531 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Rahabib View Post

I dont think my settings are high:

I was just referring to whatever settings you had it on when "The buzzing seems to have gone down a bit, and may have been an issue only because I turned up the contrast a bit and forgot to set it back to 85." happened. That's probably a bit rough on IR early on in the panel's life. Right or wrong, a lot of people dial back their settings a bit for the first 100-200 hours.
post #8532 of 9972
For me the most bothersome issues with my 55ST50 are the buzzing and the vertical streaks I see when the camera pans during a soccer match.

I don't know if the buzzing has gotten worse or if I just hear it more now that I know it's there. I have been running "Up" and "Toy Story 3" throughout the day without any sound and it's very apparent on any light colored scene or scene with a large solid light color. What bothers me the most is the on/off nature of it. During certain scenes it's like zzzzz...silent...zzz...silent...zzzzzzzzz...silent, etc. I've gone back and watched those movies with the sound on and most of the buzzing scenes are inaudible, but there are quite a few that are when the sound in the movie is low. I have two other plasmas and I don't hear the buzzing like this one.

As far as the vertical streaks I plan on watching more soccer than I have up to this point during the next week. If it proves to be really bothersome I may end up exchanging my set, although I don't want to go through the whole process.
post #8533 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Rahabib View Post

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Originally Posted by Wolowizard View Post

What are the rest of your settings? It's possible that the high settings that are effecting the buzzing are also what are increasing your IR.

I dont think my settings are high:
contrast 85
brightness 72
color: 48
tint: 0
sharpness: 0

color temp: normal
in adv. settings: blue +4

I didn't like the yellowish/brown look from warm 2.

I would only recommend that you use one of the available free tests disks and check that brightness setting. While some settings may be up to personal preference, the brightness control might be something you'll like set correctly.
post #8534 of 9972
I have a 51 inch Samsung E7000 and my return period is up in about a week. I am generally very happy with the set, but had been considering exchanging it for the 55 inch ST50 (which will actually wind up costing about $300 more than I paid for the Samsung and then I would need to buy 3D glasses). I was also thinking about the UT50 which would cost about $100 less than I paid for the E7000 (before glasses). Anyway, I was considering this because I thought the larger screen size might be nice and I understand the Panasonic has better blacks and maybe a little better contrast. On the other hand, it's a pain to go through an exchange and I am concerned that I might be trading a few little and fairly inconsequential issues for other potential problems. I also am not sure 4 inches of screen real estate is worth $300 (and a 60 inch set, which would be significantly larger is just too big for the space). FWIW, the viewing distance is about 8 - 8 1/2 feet from the screen and this is my first plasma, coming from a 42 inch rear projection LCD.

A couple of questions to help in my decision:

(1) I watch mostly movies. How is the IR with black bar movies? On my Samsung during a complete black screen (e.g., transition between scenes) the bars appear lighter after watching for a little while.

(2) I understand that the Samsung has a reputation for having better video processing and supposedly looks somewhat better with non1080P content. I do a reasonable amount of streaming and we also don't have an HD TV signal because we watch very little broadcast television. How does the ST50 do with lesser quality content?

Any other general thoughts are welcome as well.
Thanks.
post #8535 of 9972
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Originally Posted by BriscoCountyJr View Post

Panasonic 3d blu-ray player model BDT-220 is excellent and lots of bargain sale prices recently too.
I just received the BDT220 yesterday and tried to hook it up. The TV didn't recognize the input. What am I doing wrong - is there some setup I need to do? All I did was hook up the HDMI cable from the back of the BDT220 and to HDMI2 on the set and turned the power on and went to HDMI2 input and it said it wasn't getting a signal. I switched it to HDMI1 (where the cable is normally hooked to and working) and nothing was shown. The display on the 220 says "setup". I realize I probably should be going to the BDT220 support, but I thought I'd ask here first if there was some set up I needed to do on the TV. I am not an experienced electronics person.
post #8536 of 9972
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Originally Posted by gbeck View Post

I just received the BDT220 yesterday and tried to hook it up. The TV didn't recognize the input. What am I doing wrong - is there some setup I need to do? All I did was hook up the HDMI cable from the back of the BDT220 and to HDMI2 on the set and turned the power on and went to HDMI2 input and it said it wasn't getting a signal. I switched it to HDMI1 (where the cable is normally hooked to and working) and nothing was shown. The display on the 220 says "setup". I realize I probably should be going to the BDT220 support, but I thought I'd ask here first if there was some set up I needed to do on the TV. I am not an experienced electronics person.
Try turning the tv and bdp on and off a couple of times in different orders. Maybe the tv just doesnt recognize the bdp.
post #8537 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Wolowizard View Post

I was just referring to whatever settings you had it on when "The buzzing seems to have gone down a bit, and may have been an issue only be mkcause I turned up the contrast a bit and forgot to set it back to 85." happened. That's probably a bit rough on IR early on in the panel's life. Right or wrong, a lot of people dial back their settings a bit for the first 100-200 hours.

The buzz is gone. I am 99% sure it was from being on for so long. I just watched 4 hours of TV tonight with no buzzing at all.
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

I would only recommend that you use one of the available free tests disks and check that brightness setting. While some settings may be up to personal preference, the brightness control might be something you'll like set correctly.

Brightness is at 62 not 72. sorry - going off memory earlier. I did download the 709 mp4 and will calibrate it to that and see the difference.
post #8538 of 9972
ST GT or VT??

I looked at the UT, did not like it any where near as much as the ST, betweent the ST, GT & VT I could not see the difference.

Can you really see it?

(This is the ST thread, so will assume the ST will come out great)

Is the BUzz that bad??

Would you wait a bit for the ST60, and buy that, or buy a discounted ST50?
post #8539 of 9972
I am currently seeing no reason to return my 55ST50 to Amazon by Jan 31.
I have slight buzzing but nothing audible away from set, similar or less buzz to old style CRT TV.
Rahabib- I was curious about 4x3 IR bars, I guess you explained that you like to watch that way but I like to use ZOOM, FULL, JUST as appropraite to expand to full. If you pick the best "zoom" method for your program content, I prefer that. Ironically my cheaper Panny LCD 32" set had a much more detailed manual explaining a little better which zoom technique for each situation, letterbox etc.
The power consumption at 300-watts is higher than I hoped, but in the winter the family room is too cold so it helps a little actually. In the summer I can go to standard out-of-box contrast settings and get it down to 75-140 watts if I feel like I need lower power.
post #8540 of 9972
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Originally Posted by CarguyHere View Post

ST GT or VT??

I looked at the UT, did not like it any where near as much as the ST, betweent the ST, GT & VT I could not see the difference.

Can you really see it?

(This is the ST thread, so will assume the ST will come out great)

Is the BUzz that bad??

Would you wait a bit for the ST60, and buy that, or buy a discounted ST50?
Definitely the ST because I'm a cheapskate and there were no significant improvements as far as I can tell. You may be lucky to find one though if you wait much longer. I think that people that were waiting to see the 2013 models are going to snatch up the few remaining STs quickly.
post #8541 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Definitely the ST because I'm a cheapskate and there were no significant improvements as far as I can tell. You may be lucky to find one though if you wait much longer. I think that people that were waiting to see the 2013 models are going to snatch up the few remaining STs quickly.

I went GT for convenience and to be honest the PQ is supposed to be the same. I found that with the GT the THX was going to be something I would use so I could use 'Custom' mode for night viewing and THX Bright for day time viewing. I've found I don't need to switch out of the 'custom' mode using the posted settings since it looks fine during the day.

If I had to do it again I'd just get the ST, but I got a good price on the 55GT - only $50 more than the 55ST using the Pauls discount.
post #8542 of 9972
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Originally Posted by swizzchard View Post

I went GT for convenience and to be honest the PQ is supposed to be the same. I found that with the GT the THX was going to be something I would use so I could use 'Custom' mode for night viewing and THX Bright for day time viewing. I've found I don't need to switch out of the 'custom' mode using the posted settings since it looks fine during the day.

If I had to do it again I'd just get the ST, but I got a good price on the 55GT - only $50 more than the 55ST using the Pauls discount.
For $50 more I would do it again and again and again. smile.gif It also has a dual core processor which could be helpful at times.
post #8543 of 9972
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Originally Posted by HDTBill View Post

I am currently seeing no reason to return my 55ST50 to Amazon by Jan 31.
I have slight buzzing but nothing audible away from set, similar or less buzz to old style CRT TV.
Rahabib- I was curious about 4x3 IR bars, I guess you explained that you like to watch that way but I like to use ZOOM, FULL, JUST as appropraite to expand to full. If you pick the best "zoom" method for your program content, I prefer that. Ironically my cheaper Panny LCD 32" set had a much more detailed manual explaining a little better which zoom technique for each situation, letterbox etc.
The power consumption at 300-watts is higher than I hoped, but in the winter the family room is too cold so it helps a little actually. In the summer I can go to standard out-of-box contrast settings and get it down to 75-140 watts if I feel like I need lower power.

actually I found out I am stuck with the panel regardless. The salesman told me I had 30 days to evaluate it, but then last night I talked to them and they said I had only 2 weeks - I wish I had got that in writing. Oh well, the panel is still good. buzzing is gone now. The IR isnt a problem during normal viewing. For 4x3 shows, I cant stand it on anything but the actual proper aspect ratio - but I did start putting it on stretch for the kids shows (they dont care). Also, I think bar was just uniformity with a tad of IR that brightened it up. Today after not watching anything 4x3 (except the commercials) I couldn't see it hardly at all unless I was right up next to the screen.

The power consumption is a bit high, but it does keep the downstairs nice and warm at least :P Ill have to see my electricity bill to see how much it goes up. We watch 2-4 hours of TV a day (combined not individually) and that can add up. However, I had a 8 year old 34" CRT before, so it shouldn't be much higher than that.
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I went from a 47" full led which uses probably the least of any kind of tv to a 60" plasma which probably uses the most of any kind of tv and didn't notice anything significant on my electric bill. And I have a pretty small bill in this apt.
post #8545 of 9972
Wondering if I could get some help with my new Panasonic TC-P65ST50.

After i set it up and used the settings I found on CNET's forums the picture looked awesome and I didn't notice anything wrong with the overall quality of the screen. Today though, while playing some games on my Xbox 360 and PS3 I noticed some jittering in the motion in some parts of the games. For example if I swiveled the camera around my character the background parts would jitter. It's not a huge jitter though and maybe if I don't focus on it I wouldn't even notice it, but unfortunately I have. I did try putting the motion smoothing on strong to see if it would fix it and it did but i wouldntt keep it on since it makes motion look too weird for me. So, I was wondering if this is normal for these newer plasma TVs or is there something that can reduce the effect?
post #8546 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Rahabib View Post

actually I found out I am stuck with the panel regardless. The salesman told me I had 30 days to evaluate it, but then last night I talked to them and they said I had only 2 weeks - I wish I had got that in writing. Oh well, the panel is still good. buzzing is gone now. The IR isnt a problem during normal viewing. For 4x3 shows, I cant stand it on anything but the actual proper aspect ratio - but I did start putting it on stretch for the kids shows (they dont care). Also, I think bar was just uniformity with a tad of IR that brightened it up. Today after not watching anything 4x3 (except the commercials) I couldn't see it hardly at all unless I was right up next to the screen.

The power consumption is a bit high, but it does keep the downstairs nice and warm at least :P Ill have to see my electricity bill to see how much it goes up. We watch 2-4 hours of TV a day (combined not individually) and that can add up. However, I had a 8 year old 34" CRT before, so it shouldn't be much higher than that.

Not sure if you know about the optional gray side bars when watching 4:3 content. When the tv receives a 480i/p signal that's 4:3 it can automatically turn on the side bars if you want. In the setup>anti image retention area you can turn it on and it has a few brightness settings. This may help with aging the unused pixels and minimize the sidebar brightness difference on full screen content. I used this feature on my ST30 for like 6-9 months on med then low now I don't use it at all and have no problems.
post #8547 of 9972
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Originally Posted by zelkian View Post

Wondering if I could get some help with my new Panasonic TC-P65ST50.

After i set it up and used the settings I found on CNET's forums the picture looked awesome and I didn't notice anything wrong with the overall quality of the screen. Today though, while playing some games on my Xbox 360 and PS3 I noticed some jittering in the motion in some parts of the games. For example if I swiveled the camera around my character the background parts would jitter. It's not a huge jitter though and maybe if I don't focus on it I wouldn't even notice it, but unfortunately I have. I did try putting the motion smoothing on strong to see if it would fix it and it did but i wouldntt keep it on since it makes motion look too weird for me. So, I was wondering if this is normal for these newer plasma TVs or is there something that can reduce the effect?

What games? I recently bought a 55ST50 and today played Red Dead Redemption and Skyrim. I noticed the jittery, shaky movement of the background when I swiveled the camera as well. I think this is normal, as the game is trying to render the background, but can't do so smoothly for whatever technical reasons. I'm thinking that the jittery motion is more noticeable on a larger display. I primarily gamed on a 42" plasma and I don't remember it being as apparent. What size TV did you use to game on? I will try to do an A/B comparison today/tomorrow to see the differences between the 42" and 55".
post #8548 of 9972
I've been playing Red Dead Redemption on my 65st50 for a couple weeks, but haven't noticed anything. I'll keep an eye out later and let you know if I notice anything.
post #8549 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Try turning the tv and bdp on and off a couple of times in different orders. Maybe the tv just doesnt recognize the bdp.
Thanks - I tried that, and then did more tests, then called Panasonic support - it seems the HDMI port on the BluRay is defective, so I'm returning it for a replacement to Amazon.
post #8550 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Wolowizard View Post

I've been playing Red Dead Redemption on my 65st50 for a couple weeks, but haven't noticed anything. I'll keep an eye out later and let you know if I notice anything.

Sounds good.

I wonder if this also has to do with each person's sensitivity to the jittery motion. I will say that I haven't played RDR or Skyrim in nearly a year so I have to get used to the movement in these games. What I see may appear more dramatic compared to someone who's been playing these games consistently. For example, if I don't play COD for a week or so when I start playing again the movement seems shaky when running. After I'm back to playing consistently everything looks fine.

What mode and settings are you using for gaming? Any different mode and/or settings for online vs single player games? I'm still trying to find good settings.

Most of my games (XBOX 360) look too dark compared to what I'm used to. On my other plasmas I didn't play with bright settings so that's not the reason. I recently ran the AVS HD 709 disc on my ST50 and my brightness setting of 56 was about right. I could bump it up to 57-58. The contrast setting was a whole different ball game. During the white clipping pattern there are flashing white bars numbered from 230-253. You're supposed to increase the contrast until you see the bars above 235 flash. Even with contrast set to 100 I can only get the bars above 242 to flash. I'm wondering if I have a dim panel.
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