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post #8701 of 9972
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Originally Posted by fahrenheit View Post

^ Its just gain noise. It was shot on video and it looked like that in the cinema.

thank you. thats what i was hoping to here.
post #8702 of 9972
Hi all, I will be receiving a 60" ST50 on Saturday replacing a 6 year old 46" LCD. Really looking forward! This is my first plasma, I'm still not completely up to speed on all the issues and of course am worried about IR. I plan on running the D-Nice slides very early on, and watch 99.9% movies and don't even have cable, so static logo's or game HUD's aren't really a problem. Except for Sunday! There's no way we're not watching the Superbowl on this set. Any tips for minimizing IR risk during those 4 hours? Is this something I should even be concerned about?
post #8703 of 9972
I wouldn't worry about it. The static logos go way during the commercials so any IR you get should be minimal. Just make sure you don't have it on Vivid mode. Contrast should be in the 75-80 range max.

I got the UT50 the day of the college national title game and watched it that night in 3D and had no IR even when checking a white slide.

I did end up with some IR issues later on from longer ESPN or CNN sessions or longer gaming sessions. But those still all cleared up within a few hours of watching other full screen content.
post #8704 of 9972
Cool, sounds good. I worry too much!
post #8705 of 9972
I bought a 50U50 a few days ago. This will be my third plasma (Pioneer, NEC and Panasonic) so I know what they are supposed to look like. I have been experiencing a lot of background noise - basically I can see the processing/shimmering from 10 feet away. Definitely not the smooth great picture that I am used to - even though the blacks are great. I'm not sure if the U50 panel is defective or if that is normal for that panel. In any event, I am going to return the panel to Sears in a few days. They currently have the ST50 on sale. The U50 has limited ability to alter the picture - no individual color changes other than in the service menu. Does the ST50 have this ability? I am not experienced enough to attempt to play in the service menu but my old NEC gave the user the ability to make many more picture changes than does the U50. Also - has anyone experienced the background movement/noise that I am talking about with the ST50?

Thanks in advance!
post #8706 of 9972
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Originally Posted by LisaM View Post

I bought a 50U50 a few days ago. This will be my third plasma (Pioneer, NEC and Panasonic) so I know what they are supposed to look like. I have been experiencing a lot of background noise - basically I can see the processing/shimmering from 10 feet away. Definitely not the smooth great picture that I am used to - even though the blacks are great. I'm not sure if the U50 panel is defective or if that is normal for that panel. In any event, I am going to return the panel to Sears in a few days. They currently have the ST50 on sale. The U50 has limited ability to alter the picture - no individual color changes other than in the service menu. Does the ST50 have this ability? I am not experienced enough to attempt to play in the service menu but my old NEC gave the user the ability to make many more picture changes than does the U50. Also - has anyone experienced the background movement/noise that I am talking about with the ST50?

Thanks in advance!

Think you would like ST50 if you check out CNET.com they give the settings we use on it for calibration, and it is just right amount of control.
post #8707 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Daniel THB View Post

Hi all, I will be receiving a 60" ST50 on Saturday replacing a 6 year old 46" LCD. Really looking forward! This is my first plasma, I'm still not completely up to speed on all the issues and of course am worried about IR. I plan on running the D-Nice slides very early on, and watch 99.9% movies and don't even have cable, so static logo's or game HUD's aren't really a problem. Except for Sunday! There's no way we're not watching the Superbowl on this set. Any tips for minimizing IR risk during those 4 hours? Is this something I should even be concerned about?

Keep in mind Dnice slides are not to prevent IR but if you follow his method exactly then his calibration settings will work be accurate. what you are saying is you are deviating to watch Superbowl. you might want to consider Dnice alternate settings which can be used from get go without running slides. Up to you just try to follow Dnice instructions exactly. I did not use Dnices procedure because by the time I read the details it was too late. I ran with the standard mode out of box which is 50 contrast and lower power consumption for about the first 50 hrs. This might be good fairly dim so perhaps it would not age too bad as far as going to Dnice slides next and the dimmer pic should stop IR.
Edited by HDTBill - 1/30/13 at 9:51pm
post #8708 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Daniel THB View Post

Hi all, I will be receiving a 60" ST50 on Saturday replacing a 6 year old 46" LCD. Really looking forward! This is my first plasma, I'm still not completely up to speed on all the issues and of course am worried about IR. I plan on running the D-Nice slides very early on, and watch 99.9% movies and don't even have cable, so static logo's or game HUD's aren't really a problem. Except for Sunday! There's no way we're not watching the Superbowl on this set. Any tips for minimizing IR risk during those 4 hours? Is this something I should even be concerned about?

are you planning on getting your tv calibrated? if not, theres no use in doing the slides. They just age the phosphors evenly. I did not run the slides and have not experienced any IR watching variety of fios/HD content. i watched the tv in 'Standard' mode without any adjustments to the picture...other than things like turning motion smoother off.
post #8709 of 9972
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Originally Posted by LisaM View Post

I bought a 50U50 a few days ago. This will be my third plasma (Pioneer, NEC and Panasonic) so I know what they are supposed to look like. I have been experiencing a lot of background noise - basically I can see the processing/shimmering from 10 feet away. Definitely not the smooth great picture that I am used to - even though the blacks are great. I'm not sure if the U50 panel is defective or if that is normal for that panel. In any event, I am going to return the panel to Sears in a few days. They currently have the ST50 on sale. The U50 has limited ability to alter the picture - no individual color changes other than in the service menu. Does the ST50 have this ability? I am not experienced enough to attempt to play in the service menu but my old NEC gave the user the ability to make many more picture changes than does the U50. Also - has anyone experienced the background movement/noise that I am talking about with the ST50?

Thanks in advance!

The ST series has a 2 point calibration in the user menu so no real need to go into the Service Menu. You also gain a gamma slider.

Standard mode can produce artifacts but I'm sure you changed it to another mode. Are you seeing dithering(dots on a dark background) from brightness being a bit too high? Sometimes things like this settle down after a hundred hours or so.
post #8710 of 9972
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Originally Posted by HDTBill View Post


Keep in mind Dnice slides are not to prevent IR but if you follow his method exactly then his calibration settings will work be accurate. what you are saying is you are deviating to watch Superbowl. you might want to consider Dnice alternate settings which can be used from get go without running slides. Up to you just try to follow Dnice instructions exactly. I did not use Dnices procedure because by the time I read the details it was too late. I ran with the standard mode out of box which is 50 contrast and lower power consumption for about the first 50 hrs. This might be good fairly dim so perhaps it would not age too bad as far as going to Dnice slides next and the dimmer pic should stop IR.

Thanks, I guess I somehow misunderstood the purpose of the slides completely! Sounds like going with the alternate D-Nice settings for Sunday is the best plan, and perhaps I'll just stick with those. Still need to do a lot more reading to figure out the value proposition for doing the 200 hour slide drill.
post #8711 of 9972
Please forgive me if these questions have been answered but this thread has 291 pages and I've tried to read as many as I can.

I've been entertaining buying this set up upgrade my very old Philips 42" ambilight

I'm somewhat nervous switching from lcd to plasma with the brightness and IR issues that I hear about.

One of my main concerns is the hockey brightness issue that people have been discussing.

Does this TV have the ability to store more the one set of settings, what i mean is, can I have a setting for gaming, one for hockey and one for tv? Or do you need to manually adjust your settings every time you watch a hockey game or startup a xbox or PS3 session?

If anyone can speak to these issue I'd really appreciate it. I read lots of great things about this set and I want to make sure it's the right solution for my situation.

I'll be passing my Verizion FIOS through my HK 2650, I play a fair amount of Xbox and PS3. I do watch Blu-Rays but more TV currently. My tv room has one large window to the right of the TV and I get morning light. I have wooden blinds that can block all glare and there are no lights directly behind the TV. The lamps I have are off to the side and I don't anticipate them being reflected at least not in the line of sight. But I have zero experience with plasma's.

If this post is in the wrong place, let me know please and I'll gladly delete it.
post #8712 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Netsurf12 View Post

Please forgive me if these questions have been answered but this thread has 291 pages and I've tried to read as many as I can.

I've been entertaining buying this set up upgrade my very old Philips 42" ambilight

I'm somewhat nervous switching from lcd to plasma with the brightness and IR issues that I hear about.

One of my main concerns is the hockey brightness issue that people have been discussing.

Does this TV have the ability to store more the one set of settings, what i mean is, can I have a setting for gaming, one for hockey and one for tv? Or do you need to manually adjust your settings every time you watch a hockey game or startup a xbox or PS3 session?

If anyone can speak to these issue I'd really appreciate it. I read lots of great things about this set and I want to make sure it's the right solution for my situation.

I'll be passing my Verizion FIOS through my HK 2650, I play a fair amount of Xbox and PS3. I do watch Blu-Rays but more TV currently. My tv room has one large window to the right of the TV and I get morning light. I have wooden blinds that can block all glare and there are no lights directly behind the TV. The lamps I have are off to the side and I don't anticipate them being reflected at least not in the line of sight. But I have zero experience with plasma's.

If this post is in the wrong place, let me know please and I'll gladly delete it.

Well you could buy at AMAZON and return in 30 days if you do not like it. I struggled with the LCD decision also but I like the ST50. The thing I really about LCD is passive 3D. ST50 is lower glare due to shutter technology used to minimize glare. There are many user-configurable settings (CINEMA etc) but only one highly detailed CUSTOM mode for each of 3 HDMI inputs. I am under impression GT50 allows 2 custom modes per HDMI (day/nite). You could plug into different HDMI input if you wanted to have 3 custom modes. Its not hard to change settings on fly anyways. As far as Hockey I have not experienced the problem on my set, but all Plasmas have dimming circuitry to protect from excess watts on all-white scenes. I have recently posted a proposed technique to get ST50 into an energy saving mode but I not heard any comments yet if it makes sense for hockey or anything else. I have not tested out thoroughly yet.
post #8713 of 9972
Having some problems staying connected to the internet with my ST50. The network status screen says it's connected but when I run the connection test, it always fails on the second item, "Acquiring IP Address." It's worked only once since I got the set and there was no rhyme or reason why it worked that one time. Any suggestions?
post #8714 of 9972
Anybody care to give a quick response to my dilemma feel free. I was recently burglarized as I mentioned in another thread here. So, I haven’t exactly been shopping for a new tv and I’m trying to sort through the new crop of what’s available.

I’ve run into a Panasonic ‘Fanboy’ on another forum that HATES Samsung. I had a Samsung stolen and liked my old 40” LCD just fine really. I have initially purchased a 46” 6100 Series Samsung that my insurance approved as ‘replacement.’ I have considered taking it back in exchange for a ‘backlit’ 6500 Series.

I calibrated the 6100’s 10 Point White Balance last night from a website that had settings for it and it looks pretty damn good with the Blu-ray disc that I tested it with afterward (Super 8). It makes me wonder if the 6500 would be even better?

I see a lot of talk about Samsung quality and reliability issues though. I’m seeing a few comments on the Panasonic issues now. What I’m looking at is a TCP50ST50 as an option in my price range. Is the picture quality with the Panasonic Plasma going to make this the better choice? Issues I should know about? Reading this thread, but as mentioned – very long!
post #8715 of 9972
Further PM advice to NETSURF12 in his search for a $1000 HDTV:

The most recent March 2013 Consumers Reports has TV's and I think they did a good job. I was looking at LG and Panasonic ET5 for passive 3d and Samsung for Active 3D like ST50. But good LED/LCD is going to cost more than Plasma. So you have a very hard time matching $1000 except 50ST50 is $1000 and that is one of the best TV's to come down the pike at this price point in the history of TV's. You could match the price with a Visio Passive 3D LED at Costco but I don't think you have the same quality of TV. I was sort of heading for Panasonic ET5 but made the switch to ST50. 55ET5 was as low as $900 on sale; I'd be curious to see if 2013 version of ET5 is better as 2012 was the first year for Panasonic in the big LED/LCD sets.
post #8716 of 9972
My P60ST50 arrived! The guy from Pilot was friendly and prompt.

Alas, my P60ST50's screen was cracked up all to hell. Now I have to think carefully about which way I am going to go.
Edited by SaviorMachine - 1/31/13 at 2:22pm
post #8717 of 9972
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Originally Posted by SaviorMachine View Post

My P60ST50 arrived! The guy from Pilot was friendly and prompt.

Alas, my P60ST60's screen was cracked up all to hell. Now I have to think carefully about which way I am going to go.

Wow, what a bummer. Sorry to hear that. frown.gif
post #8718 of 9972
Thanks. It's worse: my original plan was to snag an HX850, since I do love image quality but I also wanted to enjoy a carefree flat panel experience. See, I've organized my viewing habits around the limitations of my Samsung plasma since 2010. Once, I had an incident involving about 25 hours of Demon's Souls over a single weekend. The screen clearly remembered the HUD items for about two straight weeks.

Anyway, yeah, one of the top LCDs of 2012, sure, sign me up, all I need is a little more time. Only, there's no more time. Sony stopped selling it at a reasonable price about five days before I had the cash. So the ST50 was a part-concession: it would be more of the same plasma characteristics, careful use and constant low-level anxiety, but at least it would be a top-quality picture. Got myself adjusted to the reality that I'd be trading something no matter which way I chose, but I was pretty excited about the idea of a top-quality picture.

Then I came here and read pages and pages of frustration, buzzing, IR, cloudiness, dirty screen, ...uh... well ok, maybe I'll be lucky and get a good one... but no.

Now I don't even know what I want to do. I don't think I have it in me to gamble on plasma again, but there doesn't seem to be an LCD with a picture worth a damn at my price tier. Long sigh.
post #8719 of 9972
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Originally Posted by SaviorMachine View Post

Thanks. It's worse: my original plan was to snag an HX850, since I do love image quality but I also wanted to enjoy a carefree flat panel experience. See, I've organized my viewing habits around the limitations of my Samsung plasma since 2010. Once, I had an incident involving about 25 hours of Demon's Souls over a single weekend. The screen clearly remembered the HUD items for about two straight weeks.

Anyway, yeah, one of the top LCDs of 2012, sure, sign me up, all I need is a little more time. Only, there's no more time. Sony stopped selling it at a reasonable price about five days before I had the cash. So the ST50 was a part-concession: it would be more of the same plasma characteristics, careful use and constant low-level anxiety, but at least it would be a top-quality picture. Got myself adjusted to the reality that I'd be trading something no matter which way I chose, but I was pretty excited about the idea of a top-quality picture.

Then I came here and read pages and pages of frustration, buzzing, IR, cloudiness, dirty screen, ...uh... well ok, maybe I'll be lucky and get a good one... but no.

Now I don't even know what I want to do. I don't think I have it in me to gamble on plasma again, but there doesn't seem to be an LCD with a picture worth a damn at my price tier. Long sigh.
Nothing's perfect, especially at this price point, and the OCD types around here (I'm as guilty as anyone) spend too much time looking at their TVs instead of watching them. Just get the ST50 and enjoy it.
post #8720 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Schwa View Post

Nothing's perfect, especially at this price point, and the OCD types around here (I'm as guilty as anyone) spend too much time looking at their TVs instead of watching them. Just get the ST50 and enjoy it.
Amen.
post #8721 of 9972
Yeah, I think you guys are right. I know that I worried far too much about my Samsung in its first couple of years. I've had lots of incidents, none of them permanent, despite many nights falling asleep to blu-rays and DVDs, and numerous 'careless' game sessions; to be honest, I've certainly limited my gaming more than I needed to. That budget Samsung is a fine set, more durable than I gave it credit for. Besides, I know that if I went with a non-Elite LED, then I would miss the huge picture quality advantages of the ST50; and a part of my brain would always condemn me for chickening out.

Done. I've informed Amazon that they should just try again smile.gif Replacement should be here sometime in the next ten days.
post #8722 of 9972
I need some advice here... My set is 2 month old and have uniformity issue like this:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8221/8435467480_f160407e45_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8043/8435467636_0f1b957385_b.jpg

The background is 20 IRE pattern in AVSHD709 disc, the red tint is less visible (probally nothing at all) in bright patterns; 80-100 IRE. I've noticed it like 1 month ago, didn't really check my set careful when I bought it because I thought plasma doesn't have poorly uniformity issue like LED does.
Anyway, I called Panasonic customer support and a technican went to my house and tested TV using inner test patterns in service menu, which are full R/G/B, white and few others. ST50 only has 100 IRE white pattern, so he couldn't see anything, I tried to explain to him that AVSHD709 is very legit to check these kind of issue but he refused anything except their own pattern...

So I told him to use AVSHD709 disc on other set to see if the problem is there. He'll come back next week but I doubt that will change his opinion. I ain't a picky person and watching normal content doesn't show any issue but the red tint is in center which probally hindered calibration accuracy ( I use i1 Pro).
That's it. I have no idea what to do when he come back...
post #8723 of 9972
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Originally Posted by SaviorMachine View Post

My P60ST50 arrived! The guy from Pilot was friendly and prompt.

Alas, my P60ST50's screen was cracked up all to hell. Now I have to think carefully about which way I am going to go.

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Originally Posted by SaviorMachine View Post

Thanks. It's worse: my original plan was to snag an HX850, since I do love image quality but I also wanted to enjoy a carefree flat panel experience. See, I've organized my viewing habits around the limitations of my Samsung plasma since 2010. Once, I had an incident involving about 25 hours of Demon's Souls over a single weekend. The screen clearly remembered the HUD items for about two straight weeks.

Anyway, yeah, one of the top LCDs of 2012, sure, sign me up, all I need is a little more time. Only, there's no more time. Sony stopped selling it at a reasonable price about five days before I had the cash. So the ST50 was a part-concession: it would be more of the same plasma characteristics, careful use and constant low-level anxiety, but at least it would be a top-quality picture. Got myself adjusted to the reality that I'd be trading something no matter which way I chose, but I was pretty excited about the idea of a top-quality picture.

Then I came here and read pages and pages of frustration, buzzing, IR, cloudiness, dirty screen, ...uh... well ok, maybe I'll be lucky and get a good one... but no.

Now I don't even know what I want to do. I don't think I have it in me to gamble on plasma again, but there doesn't seem to be an LCD with a picture worth a damn at my price tier. Long sigh.

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Originally Posted by SaviorMachine View Post

Yeah, I think you guys are right. I know that I worried far too much about my Samsung in its first couple of years. I've had lots of incidents, none of them permanent, despite many nights falling asleep to blu-rays and DVDs, and numerous 'careless' game sessions; to be honest, I've certainly limited my gaming more than I needed to. That budget Samsung is a fine set, more durable than I gave it credit for. Besides, I know that if I went with a non-Elite LED, then I would miss the huge picture quality advantages of the ST50; and a part of my brain would always condemn me for chickening out.

Done. I've informed Amazon that they should just try again smile.gif Replacement should be here sometime in the next ten days.

I understand your frustration. But, as I was reading your post I thought to myself. "A set arriving with cracks in the screen is not necessarily a problem exclusive to plasmas. Any set, plasma or LCD, could arrive with cracks in the screen, no?"

Basically I mean, unless there is something that I do not understand about plasmas being more prone to screen cracks, you should not hold it against plasmas as a whole.
post #8724 of 9972
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Originally Posted by fallengt View Post

I need some advice here... My set is 2 month old and have uniformity issue like this:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8221/8435467480_f160407e45_b.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8043/8435467636_0f1b957385_b.jpg

The background is 20 IRE pattern in AVSHD709 disc, the red tint is less visible (probally nothing at all) in bright patterns; 80-100 IRE. I've noticed it like 1 month ago, didn't really check my set careful when I bought it because I thought plasma doesn't have poorly uniformity issue like LED does.
Anyway, I called Panasonic customer support and a technican went to my house and tested TV using inner test patterns in service menu, which are full R/G/B, white and few others. ST50 only has 100 IRE white pattern, so he couldn't see anything, I tried to explain to him that AVSHD709 is very legit to check these kind of issue but he refused anything except their own pattern...

So I told him to use AVSHD709 disc on other set to see if the problem is there. He'll come back next week but I doubt that will change his opinion. I ain't a picky person and watching normal content doesn't show any issue but the red tint is in center which probally hindered calibration accuracy ( I use i1 Pro).
That's it. I have no idea what to do when he come back...

Zero out the color so now you're looking at a black and white image or TV show and ask the technician why there's still patches of different colors. I had a pink and green tinted ST30 replaced using that argument.
post #8725 of 9972
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Originally Posted by CLEHD View Post



I understand your frustration. But, as I was reading your post I thought to myself. "A set arriving with cracks in the screen is not necessarily a problem exclusive to plasmas. Any set, plasma or LCD, could arrive with cracks in the screen, no?"

Basically I mean, unless there is something that I do not understand about plasmas being more prone to screen cracks, you should not hold it against plasmas as a whole.

I know, right? You'd think. And yet, my first plasma, a Samsung that I bought in 2010 from a brick and mortar, was exactly the same: shattered before opening. Handled gingerly, believe me, I handle electronics more carefully than I handle eggs.

It'd be a strange universe with no coincidences in it. And yet--
post #8726 of 9972
Here is an ST50 energy saving mode I am working on.
Purpose is to have a low watt mode for summer or possibly for hockey.

Turn CATS=ON to activate room ambient light auto dimming
Place a sticky note (light blocker) over the ambient light sensor near the red LED.
You now have a dimmed set.
Increase contrast towards 100 to brighten image.
Other possible things to improve image:
Gamma from 2.6 to 2.2
Color from WARM2 to NORMAL
Brightness to 65 from 60

You end up with OK image that peaks out (white screen) at ~200 watts vs. ~340 watts
Average is probably 125 watts. This is for 55ST50.

Any merit? I have not got into service menu to see if there are other ways to do this.
post #8727 of 9972
Ya my previous 60E6500 had a slight vertical green blotch something lik 5x7 inches off center it was only visible during hockey games which was annoying. So far my 2nd 60ST50 has slight DSE, better than the 1st one - but also has a darker shade 2" vertical band on the right most side of the panel - only really visible on solid slides tho..i can live with it
post #8728 of 9972
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Originally Posted by BassLake View Post

Zero out the color so now you're looking at a black and white image or TV show and ask the technician why there's still patches of different colors. I had a pink and green tinted ST30 replaced using that argument.
I showed him grey pattern and he saw the red tint but he said if I can't see any tint while watching normal content or in their inner test patterns ( which is 100 IRE white) then the TV is fine.

Anyway how did you zero out the color ?
Edited by fallengt - 2/1/13 at 9:37am
post #8729 of 9972
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Originally Posted by SaviorMachine View Post

I know, right? You'd think. And yet, my first plasma, a Samsung that I bought in 2010 from a brick and mortar, was exactly the same: shattered before opening. Handled gingerly, believe me, I handle electronics more carefully than I handle eggs.

It'd be a strange universe with no coincidences in it. And yet--

Huh, I'll be darned. confused.gif
post #8730 of 9972
Someone had ask what were my settings after calibration. Well here they are. Note that the 2 point grayscale was done in the service menu.

Picture mode: Cinema
Contrast: 100
Brightness: 49
Color: 45
Tint: 1
Sharpness: 0

Color Temperature: Warm 2

Black level: light

Service Menu

Cuts:
R 83
G 80
B 7D

Drives:
R F3
G F0
B 78
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