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post #8821 of 9509
2/8/13 at 11:07am
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Originally Posted by KurtCocain View Post

Hmm and which would be that setting? My AVR is the Denon 2113.

i don't know. I using a Sony Soundbar. Try leaving the movie playing for a while and see if the receiver and tv pick it up. You have everything set to Home Theater in audio settings? See if there is an option on the AVR for Linear PCM
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post #8822 of 9509
2/8/13 at 12:45pm
Thought I'd finally quit lurking and join the fun here.

Got my 60ST50 back around Thanksgiving. After reading HDTV reviews and related material for the past few years, the 2012 ST, GT and VT appeared to be examples of a mature, reliable technology while offering enough bang for the buck to get me to jump (R.I.P. my Mitsubishi RPTV!).

Of course, which one? With CE, I normally aim for the next-to-top-of-the-line, with much success and satisfaction without emptying my bank account. That would mean the GT. And the VT was actually less than what I shelled out for my RPTV way back when.

However, it appeared that the ST had PQ that was awfully close to its siblings. Which opened the door to something I've had my eye on for years but never bought into due to its steep price: a good colorimeter and software. Enter Tom Huffman's ChromaPure/Display 3 Pro bundle, and that and the ST was just a little more than the GT alone. Sold.

After 500 hours of viewing, alternately playing with DVE and Spears & Munsil, and then using D-Nice's settings for those of us who didn't burn-in with the slides, I finally got around to putting the calibration package through its paces.

Here are a few before-and-afters. Not bad for the first try, also with no diddling in the service menu. The PQ is unbelievable now. Man, did I make the right decision!





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post #8823 of 9509
2/8/13 at 1:01pm
^ Any chance you might post the Custom settings you came up with? I'm curious how close D-Nice's unaged settings you came.

Cam
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post #8824 of 9509
2/8/13 at 1:28pm
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^ Any chance you might post the Custom settings you came up with? I'm curious how close D-Nice's unaged settings you came.

A disclaimer: I subscribe to the concept that these settings lists should be taken with a grain of salt (or your favorite single malt). I suppose they're no worse than the results you can achieve by eyeballing it with a calibration disc, but there will always be substantial variances from one unit to the next due to the tolerances of the discrete and integrated components that comprise these machines.

Also, my calibration is a work in progress. I am currently pumping out around 22-23fL, and the SMPTE standard says I should aim for 35fL. I suspect that driving the output higher will introduce additional nonlinearities that may not be able to be tamed, even with service menu adjustments.

That said, here you go:

Picture

Picture Mode: Custom
Contrast: +73
Brightness: +57
Color: +45
Tint: +1
Sharpness: +11
Color Temp: Warm2
CATS & Video NR: Off

Pro Settings

Colorspace: Normal
W/B High R: 0
W/B High G: +3
W/B High B: +4
W/B Low R: +10
W/B Low G: -1
W/B Low B: +1

Black Ext: 0
Gamma: 2.4
Panel Brightness: Mid
Contour Emphasis: Off
AGC: 0
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post #8825 of 9509
2/8/13 at 2:38pm
Does anyone have a good starting point for bright room settings? D nice setting works with low light and high quality content but for Direct tv/sports during the day, it doesnt quite do the job.

Thanks in advance
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post #8826 of 9509
2/8/13 at 6:21pm
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i just ran into the same problem as you. It seems to me like it took the TV a while to recognize the seagate external drive via USB. I have my AVR hooked up through arc. I started a movie that was saved to the seagate and had no sound. All of the sudden my AVR just started playing the sound. I noticed on my AVR display that it picked up Linear PCM and recognized the HDMI cable. As soon as these two popped up on my AVR screen, sound started coming through. So there could be a stting in your AVR that is stopping it from seeing the HDMI cable and not recognizing LPCM.

Hmm and which would be that setting? My AVR is the Denon 2113.
You need to go to the owner's thread for your AVR. They should be able to figure out what is causing your problem. If you have a Blu-ray player, how is it connected?

Denon xx13 Owner's Thread
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post #8827 of 9509
2/8/13 at 6:35pm
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Originally Posted by dallows View Post

Sorry to just jump in but this thread is quiet long.

I just took deliver today on a used-like new 60ST50 from Amazon. The TV is basically new. I don't think any usage aside from maybe being turned on once.

My question is. I just finished watching The Dark Knight after a basic calibration (custom mode) and while the picture is awesome, the blacks just are not what I expected. I would definitely say they are a bit gray. I messed with the settings a bit and everything is pretty much inline with D-Nice's settings, but it doesn't change the way they look.

I know panels settle after 100hours or so, so is it to be expected they will get darker or what?

If I was you I 'd be curious how many viewing hrs already on the set if I bought it used from Amazom.
Over on the website High Def Junkies they give instructions for going into the service menu to get hours used.
Its under Plasma sticky thread.
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post #8828 of 9509
2/9/13 at 5:58am
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A disclaimer: I subscribe to the concept that these settings lists should be taken with a grain of salt (or your favorite single malt). I suppose they're no worse than the results you can achieve by eyeballing it with a calibration disc, but there will always be substantial variances from one unit to the next due to the tolerances of the discrete and integrated components that comprise these machines.

Also, my calibration is a work in progress. I am currently pumping out around 22-23fL, and the SMPTE standard says I should aim for 35fL. I suspect that driving the output higher will introduce additional nonlinearities that may not be able to be tamed, even with service menu adjustments.

That said, here you go:

Picture

Picture Mode: Custom
Contrast: +73
Brightness: +57
Color: +45
Tint: +1
Sharpness: +11
Color Temp: Warm2
CATS & Video NR: Off

Pro Settings

Colorspace: Normal
W/B High R: 0
W/B High G: +3
W/B High B: +4
W/B Low R: +10
W/B Low G: -1
W/B Low B: +1

Black Ext: 0
Gamma: 2.4
Panel Brightness: Mid
Contour Emphasis: Off
AGC: 0


Thanks I understand the disclaimer but with no SM adjustments we really can't hurt anything too much. I will give them a try & let you know how they compare on my set. One other thing that is helpful with this is the Gamma for the large sets needs to be 2.4 & not 2.6 like D-Nice had on the 50" which is what you found. He did note later the gamma change on the larger sets too. Thx again for posting this.

Cam
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post #8829 of 9509
2/9/13 at 12:23pm
^^^
i found the 2.2 gamma better than the 2.6 as directed a few pages back. sure my eye might be off, but he 2.6g looked too dark. i got my new replacement 55st50 in on thursday. i currently have the color slides playing (on custom mode with NO adjustments), and will continue to run the sides for 200 hrs continous. then i will have BB come out and dial in the color settings. i get it fee with my silver premier membership (if its even work a crap). i also have the cnet specs, as ll as the couple of you who posted your settings. ill try and do a side by side by side by side.

ive been told i have a great eye, i do showcar work for one of the big3 auto companies and i do the inspections (paint) for any defects (scratches in the clear, oddities in the base, anything not show worthy).so its safe to say i have an eye for perfection. but does not compar to a calibration device i supppose.
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post #8830 of 9509
2/9/13 at 12:28pm
I'm sure its been discussed in detail already but i need some help and dont feel like searching through the thread. My kid just cracked the panel on my 55'' GT50 mad.gif so i need to replace the TV. Here is my question...Do the GT and the ST really have the same PQ? has anyone compared them side by side?

I am thinking about steping up to a 60" and since the VT and ZT are just a dream, I might wait for the 60'' ST60?

thoughts?
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post #8831 of 9509
2/9/13 at 1:12pm
Hey folks,

Just wondering in here how well the anti-reflection louvre filter works on this TV. I just returned a U50 plasma as the reflections were so bad and distracting to the viewing experience. It was basically a mirror! I had a 5 year old LCD sitting in the same spot as U50 plasma I returned which showed zero reflections. My sister has a newer LED in her place which shows more reflection then my old LCD but again when the tv is on there is no reflection to be found or distracting to the viewing experience. Regardless, I still want a plasma instead of buying a LED TV. I understand that no plasma will counter reflections like a LCD-LED TV and am willing to live with reflections as long as there not distracting to the viewing experience. Do any owners in here own a LCD-LED & this ST50 plasma maybe share your experience on how well this TV handles reflections ? The ST50 series is about as far as my budget will stretch so I cant really stretch a VT50 but as I understand it the VT50 has even better anti-reflection filter then the GT50 & ST50. Anyhow, thats besides the point as the ST50 is all I can get. The room where the tv is being placed isn't overly bright and I do tend to close the blind's anyways when I watch tv or face them upward. Thanks in advance to anyone that replies, I really appreciate it.
Edited by Thunder_God_Thor - 2/9/13 at 1:18pm
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post #8832 of 9509
2/9/13 at 4:19pm
Will a 60'' ST50 be too big for viewing from 8-10 feet? My 55'' GT50 can tend to look a bit grainy so i don't want to make that issue look more prominent.
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post #8833 of 9509
2/9/13 at 5:23pm
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

Will a 60'' ST50 be too big for viewing from 8-10 feet? My 55'' GT50 can tend to look a bit grainy so i don't want to make that issue look more prominent.
If your source material is Blu-ray or HDTV then the answer is no. A 60" 1080p HDTV is fine in the 8' - 10' range. In fact it's ideal.

If you have a good DVD or Blu-ray player upscaling your DVDs, the good DVD transfers will be fine too. What won't be fine are bad DVD transfers and SDTV. Of course that's not the kind of source material that should determine which display you own. wink.gif
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post #8834 of 9509
2/9/13 at 6:15pm
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

If your source material is Blu-ray or HDTV then the answer is no. A 60" 1080p HDTV is fine in the 8' - 10' range. In fact it's ideal.

If you have a good DVD or Blu-ray player upscaling your DVDs, the good DVD transfers will be fine too. What won't be fine are bad DVD transfers and SDTV. Of course that's not the kind of source material that should determine which display you own. wink.gif

Thanks, I do not watch anything that is not HD so I should be good
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post #8835 of 9509
2/9/13 at 8:24pm
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Thanks, I do not watch anything that is not HD so I should be good
My recliner is 8ft from my 60" and I love it. Especially when watching Formula 1 or football.
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post #8836 of 9509
2/9/13 at 11:37pm
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

If your source material is Blu-ray or HDTV then the answer is no. A 60" 1080p HDTV is fine in the 8' - 10' range. In fact it's ideal.

If you have a good DVD or Blu-ray player upscaling your DVDs, the good DVD transfers will be fine too. What won't be fine are bad DVD transfers and SDTV. Of course that's not the kind of source material that should determine which display you own. wink.gif

Thanks, I do not watch anything that is not HD so I should be good
When I came home this afternoon my wife was watching our NHL team about 6' from our calibrated 60" display. She was sitting on a big pillow instead of the couch. smile.gif
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post #8837 of 9509
2/10/13 at 6:07am
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When I came home this afternoon my wife was watching our NHL team about 6' from our calibrated 60" display. She was sitting on a big pillow instead of the couch. smile.gif
Likes hockey does she? smile.gif
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post #8838 of 9509
2/10/13 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

I'm sure its been discussed in detail already but i need some help and dont feel like searching through the thread. My kid just cracked the panel on my 55'' GT50 mad.gif so i need to replace the TV. Here is my question...Do the GT and the ST really have the same PQ? has anyone compared them side by side?

I am thinking about steping up to a 60" and since the VT and ZT are just a dream, I might wait for the 60'' ST60?

thoughts?

Anyone???
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post #8839 of 9509
2/10/13 at 9:43am
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Anyone???

The review consensus answer is "Yes, PQ is equivalent on both panels."

Feature sets vary, of course,
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post #8840 of 9509
2/10/13 at 10:54am
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Originally Posted by Thunder_God_Thor View Post

Hey folks,

Just wondering in here how well the anti-reflection louvre filter works on this TV. I just returned a U50 plasma as the reflections were so bad and distracting to the viewing experience. It was basically a mirror! I had a 5 year old LCD sitting in the same spot as U50 plasma I returned which showed zero reflections. My sister has a newer LED in her place which shows more reflection then my old LCD but again when the tv is on there is no reflection to be found or distracting to the viewing experience. Regardless, I still want a plasma instead of buying a LED TV. I understand that no plasma will counter reflections like a LCD-LED TV and am willing to live with reflections as long as there not distracting to the viewing experience. Do any owners in here own a LCD-LED & this ST50 plasma maybe share your experience on how well this TV handles reflections ? The ST50 series is about as far as my budget will stretch so I cant really stretch a VT50 but as I understand it the VT50 has even better anti-reflection filter then the GT50 & ST50. Anyhow, thats besides the point as the ST50 is all I can get. The room where the tv is being placed isn't overly bright and I do tend to close the blind's anyways when I watch tv or face them upward. Thanks in advance to anyone that replies, I really appreciate it.

Anyone?
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post #8841 of 9509
2/10/13 at 11:19am
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When I came home this afternoon my wife was watching our NHL team about 6' from our calibrated 60" display. She was sitting on a big pillow instead of the couch. smile.gif
Likes hockey does she? smile.gif
She likes the Sharks and her boys. She's 79 and rides the train to the arena wearing her Patrick Marlaeu jersey several times a season. eek.gif
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post #8842 of 9509
2/10/13 at 12:18pm
Just curious as to why it seems so few, if any, posts allude to comparisons of the ST vs. DLP's or prior ownership of DLP's?
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post #8843 of 9509
2/10/13 at 12:59pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by wattheF View Post

I'm sure its been discussed in detail already but i need some help and dont feel like searching through the thread. My kid just cracked the panel on my 55'' GT50 mad.gif so i need to replace the TV. Here is my question...Do the GT and the ST really have the same PQ? has anyone compared them side by side? I am thinking about stepping up to a 60" and since the VT and ZT are just a dream, I might wait for the 60'' ST60?

Yes, the ST50 and GT50 should have the exact same picture quality in the Custom and Cinema picture modes since both models share the exact same panel, louver filter, and black filter. Will you miss the THX picture modes though?

AVJ has basically said the ST60 is only a very slight improvement in PQ over the ST50 and that the ST50 is the better choice/better deal unless you care about the newer model's extra features and don't mind spending more money. The ST60 is said to have a slightly improved filter too.
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post #8844 of 9509
2/10/13 at 1:14pm
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Originally Posted by Thunder_God_Thor View Post

Anyone?
Hello,

Of you only watch TV in a very bright room, no, I wouldn't recommend the st50, nor the vt50.
But if, like me, you watch TV during day time, with big windows not hidden with curtains and no direct sun lighting either, the ST50 will do just fine.
And if you have a dark room at night, you will enjoy the picture quality even more.

The only reflection that bothers me is the reflection of a light in my viewing environment.
But be aware the in day light, you will have some reflections. But not as annoying as you said. In my opinion and viewing environment I say.
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post #8845 of 9509
2/10/13 at 1:17pm
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Just curious as to why it seems so few, if any, posts allude to comparisons of the ST vs. DLP's or prior ownership of DLP's?
What's to say? Direct view vs projection? Good viewing angles vs poor viewing angles? Thick vs thin? Wall hung vs table top?

We went from DLP to plasma a little over five years ago. Our son is still using the Samsung DLP RPTV that we started with, and he still enjoys it. Would he swap it for a good plasma? Yep. wink.gif
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post #8846 of 9509
2/10/13 at 1:21pm
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Anyone?

I think its great...better than expected even for me. I have a not overly bright room but it was just fine for watching football games or whatever during the day. I was worried about this myself and can firmly say it is a zero issue to me, no worse than my old CRT 32" in bright sun.
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post #8847 of 9509
2/10/13 at 1:34pm
I had some on and off humming sound coming from my st50. It was brief then quieted down to a constant hum which I imagine is normal. It is connected by one hdmi to my Denon 3313ci. I first noticed it when I ran the Audyssey room calibration system my AVR has. Also the loud on and off hum has only happened when I have run Audssey. I did notice the constant hum grows with increased volume. Like a speaker when you turn it up but have no signal coming to it. You can still hear the static noise. It acts the same way.
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post #8848 of 9509
2/10/13 at 4:54pm
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Originally Posted by mlg33 View Post

Hello,

Of you only watch TV in a very bright room, no, I wouldn't recommend the st50, nor the vt50.
But if, like me, you watch TV during day time, with big windows not hidden with curtains and no direct sun lighting either, the ST50 will do just fine.
And if you have a dark room at night, you will enjoy the picture quality even more.

The only reflection that bothers me is the reflection of a light in my viewing environment.
But be aware the in day light, you will have some reflections. But not as annoying as you said. In my opinion and viewing environment I say.

^^^^ Thanks for posting. Sounds like reflections might be a problem for me then. I do shut the blinds when I watch TV but there is still plenty of light coming into the room. On the U50 plasma I returned even with the blinds shut I could clearly the "lines" from where the blinds slats were shut and it was very distracting.

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Originally Posted by rojimmy View Post

I think its great...better than expected even for me. I have a not overly bright room but it was just fine for watching football games or whatever during the day. I was worried about this myself and can firmly say it is a zero issue to me, no worse than my old CRT 32" in bright sun.

^^^ So not worse then a CRT but it doesn't sound encouraging either, lol. Anyhow, Thanks for posting I appreciate it. Im thinking even the plasma's with anti-reflecting filters just wont work in my space.
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post #8849 of 9509
2/10/13 at 5:01pm
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She likes the Sharks and her boys. She's 79 and rides the train to the arena wearing her Patrick Marlaeu jersey several times a season. eek.gif
biggrin.gif Thats hardcore.
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post #8850 of 9509
2/10/13 at 9:21pm
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Originally Posted by Thunder_God_Thor View Post

Anyone?

I am pleased with the ST50 reflection handling, but you have to make the call for your room. I was just fiddling with reflections today, seeing if I opened my window blinds and turned lights on it was too bad. Basically ST50 handles reflections very well, but it depends in angle of the light. Off angle lights almost no impact on great picture. However, I have a window with blinds directly behind set. I tried to open the blinds, and see how it looks. In that case I decided keep blinds closed to minimize reflection. Same with lamp on end table of couch, directly behind set. Nicer without that lamp, but other lamps from more oblique angles no problem. You can also see the louver system works by comparing glare on the 1-inch border is brighter than the glare on the screen itself. I am under the impression even new LED's these days have shiney screens ( the matte LED screens of 2011 seem to be out, presumably to get a snappy PQ).
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