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post #9001 of 9468
2/26/13 at 5:05pm
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The problem here is you're being introduced to a true to life display. Your LCD probably made images brighter and sharper than they should have looked. Even at 100 sharpness you still can't get close to the sharpness that some LCD's have. Have you tried Blu-Ray's, don't any HD channels look good? I'm talking about the non-big name network shows, since most of those just look bad. Try running some of these through your TV, they look incredible on my GT50, even with no sharpness. I have used packs 1 and 2. It's not the TV that's the problem.

http://wallspack.com/page/6/

Do these slides some how improve the picture or are they just to exhibit the superiority of the display? Any way thank you for your response and I hope my post doesn't die, I hope I get more responses. I just can't believe ppl walk into my house look at my brand new 55" and talk about whatever is on their mind... and I see why they don't even notice that there is a new huge TV sitting there. It does look very realistic but no real WOW factor maybe I'm just a novice and can't appreciate what I see? IDK?
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2/26/13 at 5:19pm
[quote name="biggweeziehd" url="/t/1397245/official-panasonic-st50-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk/8970#post_23014292".... I got an incredible deal on a 55st50 .... My problem is..... I feel the picture is INCREDIBLY SOFT it lacks sharpness and is underwhelming...... Picture just isn't crisp and impressive. I sold my old LG 46LD550 LCD for this set and now I feel a little disappointed. My lg was too small......[/quote]

Under the assumption that you've kept the viewing distance the same as for your LG, there is enough of a size increase between the two sets that the newer (Larger) panel will do a "better job" of Showing Off whatever flaws exist in your program source(s).

And, alas, MOST cable programs - "HD" or not - contain a fair amount of flaws.


Am also of the opinion - which seems reasonably widely held - that there IS a Difference in the "Look" of a Plasma as opposed to a LCD - with the former being more "film-like" (and hence often judged as "soft") and the latter being more "Computer Monitor-ish" - a bit crisper around edges.

Since you've been viewing a LCD panel for some time, you have grown accustomed to its "look," and it will probably take a bit of time for the plasma picture to appear "normal."


You might also try fiddling with the Motion Smoother control on the Panasonic: My father has a pair of 47" Samsung LCDs and ALWAYS complains about our plasma sets - although he is happier once I up the motion smoothing on our 60ST50 (the older panels lack that option, of course): he has simply grown accustomed to the "SOA" on his LCDs....
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post #9003 of 9468
2/26/13 at 6:05pm
All in all, under the circumstances and the enormous number of postings...fair AND funny, IMHO.
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post #9004 of 9468
2/26/13 at 7:29pm
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Originally Posted by Dierkdr View Post

[quote name="biggweeziehd" url="/t/1397245/official-panasonic-st50-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk/8970#post_23014292".... I got an incredible deal on a 55st50 .... My problem is..... I feel the picture is INCREDIBLY SOFT it lacks sharpness and is underwhelming...... Picture just isn't crisp and impressive. I sold my old LG 46LD550 LCD for this set and now I feel a little disappointed. My lg was too small......

Under the assumption that you've kept the viewing distance the same as for your LG, there is enough of a size increase between the two sets that the newer (Larger) panel will do a "better job" of Showing Off whatever flaws exist in your program source(s).

And, alas, MOST cable programs - "HD" or not - contain a fair amount of flaws.


Am also of the opinion - which seems reasonably widely held - that there IS a Difference in the "Look" of a Plasma as opposed to a LCD - with the former being more "film-like" (and hence often judged as "soft") and the latter being more "Computer Monitor-ish" - a bit crisper around edges.

Since you've been viewing a LCD panel for some time, you have grown accustomed to its "look," and it will probably take a bit of time for the plasma picture to appear "normal."


You might also try fiddling with the Motion Smoother control on the Panasonic: My father has a pair of 47" Samsung LCDs and ALWAYS complains about our plasma sets - although he is happier once I up the motion smoothing on our 60ST50 (the older panels lack that option, of course): he has simply grown accustomed to the "SOA" on his LCDs....[/quote]
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2/26/13 at 7:38pm
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Originally Posted by Dierkdr View Post

[quote name="biggweeziehd" url="/t/1397245/official-panasonic-st50-series-discussion-thread-no-street-price-talk/8970#post_23014292".... I got an incredible deal on a 55st50 .... My problem is..... I feel the picture is INCREDIBLY SOFT it lacks sharpness and is underwhelming...... Picture just isn't crisp and impressive. I sold my old LG 46LD550 LCD for this set and now I feel a little disappointed. My lg was too small......

Under the assumption that you've kept the viewing distance the same as for your LG, there is enough of a size increase between the two sets that the newer (Larger) panel will do a "better job" of Showing Off whatever flaws exist in your program source(s).

And, alas, MOST cable programs - "HD" or not - contain a fair amount of flaws.


Am also of the opinion - which seems reasonably widely held - that there IS a Difference in the "Look" of a Plasma as opposed to a LCD - with the former being more "film-like" (and hence often judged as "soft") and the latter being more "Computer Monitor-ish" - a bit crisper around edges.

Since you've been viewing a LCD panel for some time, you have grown accustomed to its "look," and it will probably take a bit of time for the plasma picture to appear "normal."


You might also try fiddling with the Motion Smoother control on the Panasonic: My father has a pair of 47" Samsung LCDs and ALWAYS complains about our plasma sets - although he is happier once I up the motion smoothing on our 60ST50 (the older panels lack that option, of course): he has simply grown accustomed to the "SOA" on his LCDs....[/quot

Sorry for the empty post...

Anyway I always had the 120hz off on my LCD, couldn't stand all the artifacts. Borrowed a buddies ps3 and rented brave in 3D it's incredible! I'm gonna see if I get used to it. My buddy has a 6 yr old Sammy plasma and its so gorgeous it made me want one. I'm going to keep fiddling with it. We have 5 lcd's so I'm sure I'm used to that look but I got this TV FOR $1099 at abc warehouse brand new in the box (I told the price sue me I'm a newbie) so I'm going to keep messing with it til I fall in love. Thank you so much for your help!
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post #9006 of 9468
2/27/13 at 6:41am
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Originally Posted by tmasta346 View Post

Thanks. I guess I am getting caught up on what determines "break-in," vs what doesn't. I'm willing to give this a try, it doesn't sound like it is too difficult, just getting caught up on some terminology.

Hmm, I think I caused more confusion than I solved. tongue.gif I should have just been more clear and said, "unless you're following D-Nice's instructions, I would not worry about break-in." Just enjoy your TV as you normally would. If you're at all worried about it, avoid/limit bright, static logos and black bars (letter box or standard def) for the first 100 or so hours. That said, feel free to track down his settings and/or anyone else's. If you're not getting a professional calibration, I recommend trying out as many different people's custom settings that you can until you find what works best for you.
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Since you've been viewing a LCD panel for some time, you have grown accustomed to its "look," and it will probably take a bit of time for the plasma picture to appear "normal."

I agree with this. It took me a while to "like" my 65ST50. Part of that was going from 47" to 65"..heh. But a lot of it was just getting used to what I now consider a more natural picture from the plasma. Now I absolutely love it. Everyone that comes over is impressed (or just really nice). I'm sure part of it is getting a pro calibration or finding settings that work well for your TV and viewing conditions.
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post #9007 of 9468
2/27/13 at 7:22am
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Originally Posted by Wolowizard View Post

Hmm, I think I caused more confusion than I solved. tongue.gif I should have just been more clear and said, "unless you're following D-Nice's instructions, I would not worry about break-in." Just enjoy your TV as you normally would. If you're at all worried about it, avoid/limit bright, static logos and black bars (letter box or standard def) for the first 100 or so hours. That said, feel free to track down his settings and/or anyone else's. If you're not getting a professional calibration, I recommend trying out as many different people's custom settings that you can until you find what works best for you.
I agree with this. It took me a while to "like" my 65ST50. Part of that was going from 47" to 65"..heh. But a lot of it was just getting used to what I now consider a more natural picture from the plasma. Now I absolutely love it. Everyone that comes over is impressed (or just really nice). I'm sure part of it is getting a pro calibration or finding settings that work well for your TV and viewing conditions.

No, it wasn't you, just generally confusing terms that people seem to apply to different situations. I am currently on hour 16 of the slideshow, which puts TV usage for an ETA of 9 PM Saturday biggrin.gif .

Speakers and receiver get in Friday. Should be a fun weekend.
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post #9008 of 9468
2/27/13 at 8:49am
Getting mine tomorrow. Are there any good Game mode calibrations?
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post #9009 of 9468
2/27/13 at 9:41am
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Originally Posted by ColdsnapBryan View Post

Getting mine tomorrow. Are there any good Game mode calibrations?

If it's anything like the Game mode on the GT50, I don't think so. I will let someone else answer though.
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post #9010 of 9468
2/27/13 at 10:21am
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Originally Posted by ColdsnapBryan View Post

Getting mine tomorrow. Are there any good Game mode calibrations?

I've had my 60ST50 for two weeks now. I have not found good gaming settings, though in truth I have not really gamed since I bought the set, just a 15 minute test session actually. I ran slides for nearly two weeks when not watching the set and am using a modified version of D-Nice settings for TV/Movie viewing now. I have a professional calibrator coming on March 16 so I will get his suggestions for game settings at that time.
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post #9011 of 9468
2/27/13 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

White flashing is perfectly normal. Those are the camera flashes triggering the ABL. What is black flashing?
That was part of the concern with the UT50. It was similar to the viewer blinking their eyes. On the other hand, the camera flashes and light shows -- at times of goals for example -- never had such a drastic effect on my 2 Sony LCDs. The white flashes were visible but the UT50 took them to a new, brighter level that -- when combined with the black flicker -- made hockey unviewable.

The ST50 arrived about an hour ago. Going through 2 UT's in 2 weeks has made the 3rd install much more efficient. cool.gif
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post #9012 of 9468
2/27/13 at 10:58am
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Originally Posted by Rich Williams View Post

That was part of the concern with the UT50. It was similar to the viewer blinking their eyes. On the other hand, the camera flashes and light shows -- at times of goals for example -- never had such a drastic effect on my 2 Sony LCDs. The white flashes were visible but the UT50 took them to a new, brighter level that -- when combined with the black flicker -- made hockey unviewable.

The ST50 arrived about an hour ago. Going through 2 UT's in 2 weeks has made the 3rd install much more efficient. cool.gif

I'm still not sure if I understand what you're talking about, but I'll go ahead and give you my interpretation. You wouldn't notice the effect on your LCD's because the problem is the ABL. On your LCD you see the flashes in hockey or basketball games, but it doesn't affect your overall picture. On a plasma the bright flashes are triggering the ABL and causing your screen to "black flash", where the effect is a darker looking flash as your screen dims for a split second. If you're actually seeing something "BLACK" however, then I'm not sure what that would possibly mean.

Edit: The ABL should be much better on your ST50, so that might not bother you as much as the UT50.

Good luck! smile.gif
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post #9013 of 9468
2/27/13 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

I'm still not sure if I understand what you're talking about, but I'll go ahead and give you my interpretation. You wouldn't notice the effect on your LCD's because the problem is the ABL. On your LCD you see the flashes in hockey or basketball games, but it doesn't affect your overall picture. On a plasma the bright flashes are triggering the ABL and causing your screen to "black flash", where the effect is a darker looking flash as your screen dims for a split second. If you're actually seeing something "BLACK" however, then I'm not sure what that would possibly mean.

Edit: The ABL should be much better on your ST50, so that might not bother you as much as the UT50.

Good luck! smile.gif
I did some basic research on ABL and we may be on the right page. At the very least, I understand the meaning of ABL. smile.gif The LCD screen didn't wash out the entire screen in response to hockey arena lights/camera flashes. The plasma has a stronger, negative response. Sometimes, it looks like a massive camera flash and sometimes, its simulating a double-eye blink. I'm banking on the ST50.
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post #9014 of 9468
2/27/13 at 4:56pm
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Originally Posted by Rich Williams View Post

I did some basic research on ABL and we may be on the right page. At the very least, I understand the meaning of ABL. smile.gif The LCD screen didn't wash out the entire screen in response to hockey arena lights/camera flashes. The plasma has a stronger, negative response. Sometimes, it looks like a massive camera flash and sometimes, its simulating a double-eye blink. I'm banking on the ST50.

Yeah, the ST50 should be better, but it's something you might have to adjust to as well.
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post #9015 of 9468
2/27/13 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by JSpectre88 View Post

Yeah, the ST50 should be better, but it's something you might have to adjust to as well.
So far, so good. NBC Sports's coverage of the Caps vs Flyers looks better than what I experienced with the UT50.
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post #9016 of 9468
2/27/13 at 10:36pm
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

Please list all of your picture settings.

I posted a day or two ago with this same problem I was craving more focus and detail and no matter what I did I was still not able to dial in my vision of a perfect picture. I have however found something that bumped my viewing pleasure up TREMENDOUSLY! Seeing as playing with the sharpness on the set does nothing in a fit of curiosity/desparation I did something I never do, took a chance on tweaking my display with my DENON AVR-1913 picture adjustments stumbled upon "enhancer" ticked it a few times and... WOW FINALLY THERE IT IS!!! Detail and focus. This may go against the videophile grain but if you feel your set is a little hazy and you own a denon receiver give it a try.
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post #9017 of 9468
2/27/13 at 10:42pm
Hey, cool! Thanks for reporting your findings--I always wonder how much real world experience gets lost and has to be re-discovered when folks don't share. Congrats and thanks again.

I have a Denon also, basically the same model from an earlier year (AVR-891). I've never considered using its processing stuff, and I'm completely satisfied with my picture, but now I'm curious and will poke around to see what I find.
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post #9018 of 9468
2/28/13 at 12:39am
My ST50 50" set just got replaced its panel due to some issue. After few hours of testing I saw a thin pink/red vertical line on the screen but it disappeared in 4-5 second and I haven't seen it again.
It does look like this (picture I found on the internet):
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa244/dunks517/29112008054.jpg

The new panel is probally faulty . Should I worry about it?
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post #9019 of 9468
2/28/13 at 12:55am
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Originally Posted by fallengt View Post

My ST50 50" set just got replaced its panel due to some issue. After few hours of testing I saw a thin pink/red vertical line on the screen but it disappeared in 4-5 second and I haven't seen it again.
It does look like this (picture I found on the internet):
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa244/dunks517/29112008054.jpg

The new panel is probably faulty . Should I worry about it?
How much warranty do you have left after they replaced your panel. If your set is still under it's Panasonic one year warranty. notify Panasonic and get them to document what you've seen.

Some extended warranties expire after you use them one time.

If you are covered then I would wait to see if the red line comes back. If it does come back. it's a bad panel for sure.
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post #9020 of 9468
2/28/13 at 7:49am
Anyone seen problems with the PC input? My new unit, it worked fine last week but today I can not get anything. I've tried 2 different laptops, 2 cables, nothing. Laptops work ok going to monitors.

Thanks.

edit: Using VGA cable.

re-edit: Found out when switching to external video jack on notebook it was putting the desktop into an unsupported video mode on the TV. All ok at no more than 1024x768 (not that that is all that great). Time to find a vga-dvi-hdmi conversion.
Edited by carpboy - 2/28/13 at 10:18am
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post #9021 of 9468
2/28/13 at 8:20am
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How much warranty do you have left after they replaced your panel. If your set is still under it's Panasonic one year warranty. notify Panasonic and get them to document what you've seen.

Some extended warranties expire after you use them one time.

If you are covered then I would wait to see if the red line comes back. If it does come back. it's a bad panel for sure.
My warranty is still 9 months left. Will do that.
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post #9022 of 9468
2/28/13 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by Cuda1169 View Post

I've had my 60ST50 for two weeks now. I have not found good gaming settings, though in truth I have not really gamed since I bought the set, just a 15 minute test session actually. I ran slides for nearly two weeks when not watching the set and am using a modified version of D-Nice settings for TV/Movie viewing now. I have a professional calibrator coming on March 16 so I will get his suggestions for game settings at that time.

This would be great. I mostly game on my panasonic plasma. Thought the picture was amazing on the S2, eager to see the ST50.
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post #9023 of 9468
2/28/13 at 4:16pm
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I have a Denon also, basically the same model from an earlier year (AVR-891). I've never considered using its processing stuff, and I'm completely satisfied with my picture, but now I'm curious and will poke around to see what I find.

It is indeed present on my 891. It doesn't do anything I want but it's cool to know what it does. Neat!
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2/28/13 at 7:58pm
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Originally Posted by biggweeziehd View Post

Under the assumption that you've kept the viewing distance the same as for your LG, there is enough of a size increase between the two sets that the newer (Larger) panel will do a "better job" of Showing Off whatever flaws exist in your program source(s).

And, alas, MOST cable programs - "HD" or not - contain a fair amount of flaws.


Am also of the opinion - which seems reasonably widely held - that there IS a Difference in the "Look" of a Plasma as opposed to a LCD - with the former being more "film-like" (and hence often judged as "soft") and the latter being more "Computer Monitor-ish" - a bit crisper around edges.

Since you've been viewing a LCD panel for some time, you have grown accustomed to its "look," and it will probably take a bit of time for the plasma picture to appear "normal."


You might also try fiddling with the Motion Smoother control on the Panasonic: My father has a pair of 47" Samsung LCDs and ALWAYS complains about our plasma sets - although he is happier once I up the motion smoothing on our 60ST50 (the older panels lack that option, of course): he has simply grown accustomed to the "SOA" on his LCDs....[/quot

Sorry for the empty post...

Anyway I always had the 120hz off on my LCD, couldn't stand all the artifacts. Borrowed a buddies ps3 and rented brave in 3D it's incredible! I'm gonna see if I get used to it. My buddy has a 6 yr old Sammy plasma and its so gorgeous it made me want one. I'm going to keep fiddling with it. We have 5 lcd's so I'm sure I'm used to that look but I got this TV FOR $1099 at abc warehouse brand new in the box (I told the price sue me I'm a newbie) so I'm going to keep messing with it til I fall in love. Thank you so much for your help!
I don't mean to sound like an a**, but to noobie video enthusiasts, you cannot "turn off" 120hz.
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post #9025 of 9468
3/1/13 at 12:18am
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I don't mean to sound like an a**, but to noobie video enthusiasts, you cannot "turn off" 120hz.
I've never owned a LCD display, but I've owned a lot of LCD computer monitors where I've been able to select the refresh rate. Maybe his old LCD TV let him select between 60Hrz and 120Hrz.
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post #9026 of 9468
3/1/13 at 12:50am
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Originally Posted by fallengt View Post

My ST50 50" set just got replaced its panel due to some issue. After few hours of testing I saw a thin pink/red vertical line on the screen but it disappeared in 4-5 second and I haven't seen it again.
It does look like this (picture I found on the internet):
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa244/dunks517/29112008054.jpg

The new panel is probally faulty . Should I worry about it?

Update, It had showed up again and has been there for a few hours. Sigh... I'm going to call Customer Support
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post #9027 of 9468
3/1/13 at 6:35am
I'm a little worried about the vertical viewing angle of my ST50. My viewing angle is 6.5 feet away and 2 feet below the center of the television, since I lay on the floor to watch TV. It doesn't sound like a drastic angle... but I hope it will be ok.
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3/1/13 at 8:33am
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I'm a little worried about the vertical viewing angle of my ST50. My viewing angle is 6.5 feet away and 2 feet below the center of the television, since I lay on the floor to watch TV. It doesn't sound like a drastic angle... but I hope it will be ok.

Have you received the set yet? You should be OK. I sit ~10 feet from my 60st50 with the center of my screen at eye level. This seems to work for me. When I stand next to the TV the screen is a bit washed out when viewed from above, as I think the anti-glare coating is blocking out some of my overhead lighting. Viewing from below the screen you should be ok. Many of my friends have their panels mounted above eye level.
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3/1/13 at 9:58am
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Originally Posted by Cuda1169 View Post

Have you received the set yet? You should be OK. I sit ~10 feet from my 60st50 with the center of my screen at eye level. This seems to work for me. When I stand next to the TV the screen is a bit washed out when viewed from above, as I think the anti-glare coating is blocking out some of my overhead lighting. Viewing from below the screen you should be ok. Many of my friends have their panels mounted above eye level.
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3/1/13 at 10:07am
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Originally Posted by tmasta346 View Post

Thanks. I guess I am getting caught up on what determines "break-in," vs what doesn't. I'm willing to give this a try, it doesn't sound like it is too difficult, just getting caught up on some terminology.
I'm in the same boat. So assuming we use the D-Nice slides and settings for 100 hours, how do we "break in" the TV after that? Just watching varied content in full screen for another 100 hours? And is there a "D-Nice for Dummies" thread/FAQ anywhere? I have the slides and slideshow settings, but there doesn't seem to be any basic instructions for how to actually start the slideshow, whether or not you can have the television on for 100 consecutive hours (as opposed to shutting it off for a bit to cool down), etc.
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