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post #9541 of 9972
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Originally Posted by MemX View Post

I gave up trying to use the Disney WoW disc - if I calibrated brightness correctly for blacks, the all-white calibration screen looked wrong. If I corrected it and went back to the black screen, that looked wrong...

I pretty much just run True Cinema now during the evening and night, and Cinema during the day or during 3D content!

Any pattern that doesn't window box the high apl pattern will be troublesome on plasma's due to their response curve. I haven't used WOW but that sounds like what you are describing. Speers and Munsil is better. But at the end of the day, I got a professional calibration, to get every ounce of my set. He said that this ST50 actually calibrated more accurately than some VT50's he has calibrated, and was surprised. (This is probably not an indicator of ST vs VT quality, but just the fact they are so relatively close in terms of performance that unit-to-unit variation can make a bigger difference than anything else, and that the ST50 calibrate well with skilled calibrator using good instrumentation.)
post #9542 of 9972
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

Any pattern that doesn't window box the high apl pattern will be troublesome on plasma's due to their response curve. I haven't used WOW but that sounds like what you are describing. Speers and Munsil is better. But at the end of the day, I got a professional calibration, to get every ounce of my set. He said that this ST50 actually calibrated more accurately than some VT50's he has calibrated, and was surprised. (This is probably not an indicator of ST vs VT quality, but just the fact they are so relatively close in terms of performance that unit-to-unit variation can make a bigger difference than anything else, and that the ST50 calibrate well with skilled calibrator using good instrumentation.)
can you post the calibration results? Lack of 10 point controls and cms make that virtually impossible
post #9543 of 9972
Posted both in this thread and the calibration reports thread. Complete graphs and settings.
post #9544 of 9972
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

can you post the calibration results? Lack of 10 point controls and cms make that virtually impossible
I have to agree. Sorry I'm not buying it. The VT50 is better than any ST50, and I'm an ST50 owner. Any skilled calibrator, DIY or pro, should be able to calibrate the VT50 better than the ST50 due to the available controls.
post #9545 of 9972
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

I have to agree. Sorry I'm not buying it. The VT50 is better than any ST50, and I'm an ST50 owner. Any skilled calibrator, DIY or pro, should be able to calibrate the VT50 better than the ST50 due to the available controls.

I agree 100%.

Look at the measured results I posted earlier in this thread. All I am saying is that a professional calibrator who works for various post production houses and has calibrated several VT50's was able to get better measured results on a particular ST50 than he achieved on some VT50s. you can see the objective results.

That does not mean all ST50s are better than all VT50's.
Edited by nathan_h - 7/1/13 at 8:40pm
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post #9547 of 9972
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

I agree 100%.

Look at the measured results I posted earlier in this thread. All I am saying is that a professional calibrator who works for various post production houses and has calibrated several VT50's was able to get better measured results on a particular ST50 than he achieved on some VT50s. you can see the objective results.



That does not mean all ST50s are better than all VT50's.

I had Jeff calibrate one of my sets and he is fantastic. He has a great eye for what a properly calibrated picture should look like. I am sure he thought the picture looked better than some VT50's he had seen. But looking at your measurements the gamma and color aren't as dialed in number wise as say Chunon's VT50 calibrated measurements. But I have read many times that delta errors under 3 aren't visible anyway. It is possible the secondary colors fell in line with the primary colors on your set and that doesn't always happen. If you get a chance search Chunon's calibrated results as they are a thing of beauty.
post #9548 of 9972
Jeff Meier (umr) is a good calibrator, but the results I'm seeing are pretty typical of an ST50, and worse than any VT50 calibration I've seen. It just doesn't seem possible that any VT50 would be worse than that, and I say that with no disrespect to your calibration or your calibrator... the VT50 is simply just capable of a better calibration because it has more controls. Just think... on the VT50 you can adjust the white balance and gamma from 0-100 in 10 steps whereas the ST50 only has a 2-pt white balance (high and low) and a gamma slider... this gives you a far more precise control over the white balance and gamma on the VT50 where you should be able to get it perfect or near perfect. The ST50 has good color accuracy but it lacks a color management system to dial it in perfectly. The VT50 has a full color management system where you can adjust the saturation, hue and luminance of your primary and secondary colors, again giving you far more control over the color.
Edited by rahzel - 7/1/13 at 9:02pm
post #9549 of 9972
Fair enough. I'll let the data speak for itself. I in no way want to suggest it's better than a/every specific precise VT50 calibration. I am just sharing a data point from someone who has seen a lot of those sets.

But as for the OP, I will say that if the WoW disc is giving you trouble, it's a limitation of the WoW disc or how it's being using, rather than a problem with the TV -- which was my main point. If one sample of these sets can be calibrated to within visual parity to a trained eye with a top of the line set of the same vintage, it's unlikely a consumer calibration disk is going to flummox it.
Edited by nathan_h - 7/1/13 at 9:25pm
post #9550 of 9972
Speaking of ISF settings. Although I sold my 500m to go to a 60ST50 for the screen size the 500m sure calibrated close to reference: http://www.avsforum.com/attachments/17036
post #9551 of 9972
Looks like D-Nice's work. smile.gif

The Kuros are one of the only sets with a 2pt w/b that can be calibrated to reference levels. Most, if not all other sets with 2pt controls cannot.
post #9552 of 9972
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post




Nice cal but the VT50 does calibrate more precisely:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1408338/official-panasonic-vt50-owners-thread/11430#post_23143033
post #9553 of 9972
Hello my friends,

iv been using ST50 for almost a year now, im trully mega happy about the picture quality. After having this panasonic plasma i know have a new understanding about picture quality.

Even so, this TV lacks of one major thing, the media player is very bad but i bought an Asus Oplay Mini for 60$ and all solved. (the bad part is one more hdmi connect, one more powercord). But the main problem of this TV is NO DTS PASSTROUGH !!

I have to keep changing the optical cable on TV to plug it in the Asus Oplay Mini directly so it plays on full audio quality (dts). This is very lame, is there a way to bypass this?

There isnt a set of external drivers/software for this TV? frown.gif
post #9554 of 9972
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Originally Posted by grik View Post

Hello my friends,

iv been using ST50 for almost a year now, im trully mega happy about the picture quality. After having this panasonic plasma i know have a new understanding about picture quality.

Even so, this TV lacks of one major thing, the media player is very bad but i bought an Asus Oplay Mini for 60$ and all solved. (the bad part is one more hdmi connect, one more powercord). But the main problem of this TV is NO DTS PASSTROUGH !!

I have to keep changing the optical cable on TV to plug it in the Asus Oplay Mini directly so it plays on full audio quality (dts). This is very lame, is there a way to bypass this?

There isnt a set of external drivers/software for this TV? frown.gif

No work around for external sources, output is all 2.1
post #9555 of 9972
Still cant beleive on this poor media center, but well, at least on that field we have plenty of cheap alternatives to buy and use externaly.

Great Picture TV
post #9556 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I have not but that is too low. These are my professionally calibrated settings:
Con 90
Br 58
Co 52
Tin +1
Sha +20
Warm 1
Gamma 2.4

Did you previously post your full calibration settings?
post #9557 of 9972
Sorry if this has been discussed a million times, butnim having trouble finding out for sure.

I'm interested in the ST60 and love the PQ. But I've found a pretty good deal on an ST50 that would be nice saving the money on if the PQ is the same.

Are the panels the same in the ST50, as in zero PQ difference between the two? I don't mind some of the smart stuff being different, but PQ is of utmost importance.

I actually just bought one of vizios new m-series LEDs, but will be returning it. Guess I'm just spoiled on dark scenes due to my old plasma.
post #9558 of 9972
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Originally Posted by 3In2Out View Post

Sorry if this has been discussed a million times, butnim having trouble finding out for sure.

I'm interested in the ST60 and love the PQ. But I've found a pretty good deal on an ST50 that would be nice saving the money on if the PQ is the same.

Are the panels the same in the ST50, as in zero PQ difference between the two? I don't mind some of the smart stuff being different, but PQ is of utmost importance.

I actually just bought one of vizios new m-series LEDs, but will be returning it. Guess I'm just spoiled on dark scenes due to my old plasma.
Dont know how much difference in the money is but the pq is not the same. The ST60 is better.
post #9559 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

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Originally Posted by 3In2Out View Post

Are the panels the same in the ST50, as in zero PQ difference between the two? I don't mind some of the smart stuff being different, but PQ is of utmost importance.

I actually just bought one of vizios new m-series LEDs, but will be returning it. Guess I'm just spoiled on dark scenes due to my old plasma.
Dont know how much difference in the money is but the pq is not the same. The ST60 is better.
I agree. The ST60 is better. It can, with calibration challenge the VT60 models for most people.
post #9560 of 9972
Better blacks and more thorough calibration options, you'll definitely get a better picture, especially if professionally calibrated. I wish I would've waited a few months for an ST60...

Although, I'm not sure how obvious the differences would be since I haven't seen a calibrated ST60 next to my "calibrated" (iD3 + HCFR) ST50.
post #9561 of 9972
Thanks, thats exactly what I needed to know. Id rather spend the extra money and know Ill be happy with it for a long while.
post #9562 of 9972
Hello ! I would need some help to the following disturbing thing:
Whenever i change a channel when i watch tv , i have (each time) to press the aspect ratios button and choose the "just" option (its the only ratio that works fine with the tv in greece
Shouldnt it lock the aspect ratio that i choose? When i press the "just" option , it should keep this ratio !
post #9563 of 9972
HI everyone,

Is the black part of teh bezel on the st50 glossy or flat? As glossy as this years st60 (which I don't like)?
post #9564 of 9972
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Originally Posted by sooke View Post

HI everyone,

Is the black part of teh bezel on the st50 glossy or flat? As glossy as this years st60 (which I don't like)?
ST50 bezel is glossy. I havent seen the ST60.
post #9565 of 9972
Probably a couple silly questions, but I think I read somewhere I should initially be watching shows / TV that take up the entire screen, correct?

No black boxes preferred right? Like I hooked up my PC and went to watch 1080p Avengers, but there are still the black lines from where the PC resolution does not seem to match the aspect ratio of the screen? Or something..

Does it matter if the content is not 1080P? Like if I am watching Simpsons and put it so slightly different aspect ration so the entire screen is being used, is that okay?
post #9566 of 9972
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Originally Posted by TheJeesh View Post

Probably a couple silly questions, but I think I read somewhere I should initially be watching shows / TV that take up the entire screen, correct?

No black boxes preferred right? Like I hooked up my PC and went to watch 1080p Avengers, but there are still the black lines from where the PC resolution does not seem to match the aspect ratio of the screen? Or something..

Does it matter if the content is not 1080P? Like if I am watching Simpsons and put it so slightly different aspect ration so the entire screen is being used, is that okay?
You need to learn about aspect ratios. Here are some links.

One explanation.

A second explanation.

If you know about aspect ratios and movies, you can watch movies with an aspect ratio that fits your screen. That would be 1.78:1 (16x9) or HDTV stations when they are actually broadcasting HD material. Once you have some age on your display all you need to do is mix the types of source material that you watch.
post #9567 of 9972
I am having Netflix audio sync problems and I cant figure out how to adjust it.
Idea's?
post #9568 of 9972
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Originally Posted by EricST View Post

I am having Netflix audio sync problems and I cant figure out how to adjust it.
Idea's?
Adjust it in your avr.
post #9569 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Adjust it in your avr.
I dont have it running through the AVR, Using the ST55 web based Netflix.
post #9570 of 9972
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Originally Posted by EricST View Post

I dont have it running through the AVR, Using the ST55 web based Netflix.

Do you have another source to use Netflix and test? PS3 or Bluray player? It could be the Netflix app itself on tv since you are not using a receiver or your Internet speed is not fast enough or your wireless router is not good enough or just the movie itself. Could be any of those things, is the audio sync on every single movie you watch?
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