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post #9571 of 9972
Hey all,

I've had my 50"' ST50 for a while now. Its set up with a Blu ray home theatre sound system from Panasonic also the BTT790. I have recently moved into a small unit while in the process of building. We can often hear our neighbours through a shared wall and so the its safe to assume they can hear us from time to time. I want to be able to play blu-rays/paytv movies without disturbing the neighbours.

Last night we were watching fast and the furious on an when I had the home theatre volume up at lv22 the action/racing scenes were awesome from the surround speakers but I felt it was a bit loud. If I lowered the volume to between lv9 and 15 the action scenes were still acceptable but I felt quite scenes with talking for example between to quite.

I messed around with a few settings
- the sound equalizer (soft, clear, flat, heavy). I believe the soft settings dummed down loud scenes and maintained volume of the talking scenes
- dynamic range compression: this setting was supposed to enhance speech but only for dolby source audio I believe. The movie had DTS HD audio. Noob question is this dolby? enabling this setting had little effect
- high clarity sound: this said analogue video is not output & high quality sound is provided" and that high clarity sound needed to be turned on in options during movie to work. Can someone explain this setting?

Apart from using the soft setting and dynamic range is there any other settings to enable me to watch content without disturbing neighbours while still getting best theatre experience.
post #9572 of 9972
Hey all,

I've had my 50"' ST50 for a while now. Its set up with a Blu ray home theatre sound system from Panasonic also the BTT790. I have recently moved into a small unit while in the process of building. We can often hear our neighbours through a shared wall and so the its safe to assume they can hear us from time to time. I want to be able to play blu-rays/paytv movies without disturbing the neighbours.

Last night we were watching fast and the furious on an when I had the home theatre volume up at lv22 the action/racing scenes were awesome from the surround speakers but I felt it was a bit loud. If I lowered the volume to between lv9 and 15 the action scenes were still acceptable but I felt quite scenes with talking for example between to quite.

I messed around with a few settings
- the sound equalizer (soft, clear, flat, heavy). I believe the soft settings dummed down loud scenes and maintained volume of the talking scenes
- dynamic range compression: this setting was supposed to enhance speech but only for dolby source audio I believe. The movie had DTS HD audio. Noob question is this dolby? enabling this setting had little effect
- high clarity sound: this said analogue video is not output & high quality sound is provided" and that high clarity sound needed to be turned on in options during movie to work. Can someone explain this setting?

Apart from using the soft setting and dynamic range is there any other settings to enable me to watch content without disturbing neighbours while still getting best theatre experience.
post #9573 of 9972
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Originally Posted by ttringle View Post

Basically the TV is doing the audio processing, unless under viera cast you have the audio output set to Home theater. I have a dedicated receiver and don't have an HDMI cable that supports HDMI return audio channel. If the HTIB supports that (not sure why it wouldn't, other than this isn't a feature heavy setup) then it technically should be able to play back at least DD 5.1 and DTS 5.1. DTS MA and Dolby True HD both require HDMI or the use of software that decodes it and passes it as PCM to a receiver.

The real limitation here is that you are playing these videos using the viera cast video player and while it does work may be why you aren't getting what you think you should. Also therer have been plenty of files that have stated 5.1 while not really providing it. You can use VLC on a computer to verify how many channels the audio stream contains to be sure.

hope some of this info helps.

Well, thanks for your reply. Finally i got the answer today. ST50 only can play back DD 5.1 but DTS 5.1 is downmix to 2.1. DTS Surround thus it always downmix to 2.1 and only PCM mode able to hear the sound. Exactly true like grik and chunon said, no DTS passthrough. It takes me almost two months to figure this out frown.gif

My configurations:-
HDMI 1: Set Top Box
HDMI 2 via ARC Mode: Panasonic Home Theater System (PSN-SCXH185)
HDMI 3: Panasonic Blue-Ray DVD Player (PSN-DMPBDT110)
Optical: from Blue-Ray to Home Theater...

EDIT: I may recommend to convert DTS to DD 5.1 as it only takes around 10 minutes at least for my 7GB movies. Use PopCorn MKV AudioConverter by HeartWare: http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showthread.php?tid=20887

Now I can save my money.. biggrin.gifsmile.gif
Edited by pirates killer - 7/13/13 at 10:00am
post #9574 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Alchemist023 View Post

Hey all,

I've had my 50"' ST50 for a while now. Its set up with a Blu ray home theatre sound system from Panasonic also the BTT790. I have recently moved into a small unit while in the process of building. We can often hear our neighbours through a shared wall and so the its safe to assume they can hear us from time to time. I want to be able to play blu-rays/paytv movies without disturbing the neighbours.

Last night we were watching fast and the furious on an when I had the home theatre volume up at lv22 the action/racing scenes were awesome from the surround speakers but I felt it was a bit loud. If I lowered the volume to between lv9 and 15 the action scenes were still acceptable but I felt quite scenes with talking for example between to quite.

I messed around with a few settings
- the sound equalizer (soft, clear, flat, heavy). I believe the soft settings dummed down loud scenes and maintained volume of the talking scenes
- dynamic range compression: this setting was supposed to enhance speech but only for dolby source audio I believe. The movie had DTS HD audio. Noob question is this dolby? enabling this setting had little effect
- high clarity sound: this said analogue video is not output & high quality sound is provided" and that high clarity sound needed to be turned on in options during movie to work. Can someone explain this setting?

Apart from using the soft setting and dynamic range is there any other settings to enable me to watch content without disturbing neighbours while still getting best theatre experience.

I have exactly problem with this, however i guess my best option is to change center speaker to more drivers.. My home theater have only one driver for center speaker which totally make dialogue extremely slow. Maybe have another recommendations?

EDIT:
maybe you can increase gain on center channel which will help a bit..
Edited by pirates killer - 7/14/13 at 3:09am
post #9575 of 9972
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Originally Posted by EricST View Post

I am having Netflix audio sync problems and I cant figure out how to adjust it.
Idea's?

I'm having audio sync problems with Netflix and my GT50 as well. It seems intermittent at times but I'm not quite sure what's going on yet. I am using the internal Netflix app and am hooked up to my router via wireless. I disabled all video enhancements in the video settings, motion smoother, video noise reduction, etc. I also switched my wifi channel in my router settings. I will see if these adjustments make a difference.
post #9576 of 9972
I have the TH-P65ST50M. I want to calibrate it, but i can't find a calibrated settings for my exact model.
Does anyone knows where i can find this and if not for my model exactly, does anyone knows which model is similar to mine?


Thanks
post #9577 of 9972
Bond 007:
Dont know how much difference in the money is but the pq is not the same. The ST60 is better (than the ST50)

..........Not according to Consumer Reports.
post #9578 of 9972
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Originally Posted by iketech View Post

Bond 007:
Dont know how much difference in the money is but the pq is not the same. The ST60 is better (than the ST50)

..........Not according to Consumer Reports.
If that is the case then CR is virtually alone in their assessment.
post #9579 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

If that is the case then CR is virtually alone in their assessment.

They are probably the only ones with no skin (to make money) in the game.
Edited by iketech - 7/23/13 at 1:06pm
post #9580 of 9972
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Originally Posted by iketech View Post

They are probably the only ones with no skin (make money) in the game.
Plenty of people who have owned both will tell you the ST60 is superior. Not only in pq but also features and options.
post #9581 of 9972
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Originally Posted by iketech View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

If that is the case then CR is virtually alone in their assessment.

They are probably the only ones with no skin (to make money) in the game.
I've never found them to be competent in the home theater areas that I know about. Their criteria is based on washing machines and refrigerators. wink.gif
post #9582 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

If that is the case then CR is virtually alone in their assessment.

With the naked eye there is no difference. I own the ST50 and my neighbor recently purchased the ST60. He used my calibrator and acheived great PQ like I did with my ST50. The calibrator said that the ST60 had more settings and was easier for him the calibrate but tha the PQ was virtually equal with the ST60 maybe being a tad sharper. With my naked eye, in a dark room, I personally couldn't tell the difference, both panels look great. The ST60 has additional features that my ST50 does not have. If I was purchasing now, I would likely go with the ST60 though gaming lag would be of concern for me.
post #9583 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Cuda1169 View Post

With the naked eye there is no difference. I own the ST50 and my neighbor recently purchased the ST60. He used my calibrator and acheived great PQ like I did with my ST50. The calibrator said that the ST60 had more settings and was easier for him the calibrate but tha the PQ was virtually equal with the ST60 maybe being a tad sharper. With my naked eye, in a dark room, I personally couldn't tell the difference, both panels look great. The ST60 has additional features that my ST50 does not have. If I was purchasing now, I would likely go with the ST60 though gaming lag would be of concern for me.
Some people may not see the difference, but that is technically incorrect. The differences in black levels (~0.0026 fL vs ~0.0016 fL) and color is noticeable. That said, the differences aren't dramatic. The average person wouldn't be able to tell them apart unless viewed side by side. To the trained eye you can see the differences, even when viewed in different rooms.
post #9584 of 9972
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I've never found them to be competent in the home theater areas that I know about. Their criteria is based on washing machines and refrigerators. wink.gif

It is hard for people to admit that they pay more for a TV with basically the same picture quality as the older model.
post #9585 of 9972
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Originally Posted by iketech View Post

It is hard for people to admit that they pay more for a TV with basically the same picture quality as the older model.
Not many people here pay much attention to Consumer Reports electronics opinions. The fact that they are the only source that says that the ST50 gets just as good a picture as the ST60 should tell you why.
There are many people here who have owned both and all of them will tell you the ST60 is superior. Not hugely. But superior nevertheless. As do all of the respected HT magazines and websites.
btw I own an ST50.
post #9586 of 9972
That's why I don't even look in the direction of the ST60's when I am in an electronic's store. I still love my ST50 and still have not setup calibration!
post #9587 of 9972
So a tech certified by Panasonic is coming to my house later today to pick up my 55ST50 so they can bring it back to their shop and replace the Plasma Display Panel. I'm assuming they will give me some type of paperwork showing they took it to their shop and I just now took lots of pictures of the front and back of the TV just in case they return it scratched/damaged and claim the damage was already there. Is there any more precautions I should take before letting them take my TV away?


Sorry if I sound paranoid but the TVs exterior is pretty much in perfect condition and it would be nice to have it stay that way after the servicing. Also the only Plasma Display Panel they can replace the ST50 PDP with is the one meant for the ST50 right? Just curious since I doubt they will show me the model number for the PDP and it would suck to have a lower model PDP installed on my ST50 if that's even possible. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated!
post #9588 of 9972
Why cant they just replace the PDP in your home?
post #9589 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Why cant they just replace the PDP in your home?


They never gave me that option and I didnt know they could replace it in home.. They just came and took it about 2 hours ago so hopefully everything still looks brand new when it comes back. *Fingers crossed*
Edited by mixedguy - 7/30/13 at 5:15pm
post #9590 of 9972
Can the st50 display at 60hrz? I'm having a problem with PC games on my TV where my FPS dips to 59.7-59.9 a lot. I'm wondering if this TV actually can only display 59hrz and thats what I should set it under display settings.
post #9591 of 9972
I know I posted this before, but I didnt post a price.

Used 50" ST50 for $650 (Bought in March 2013, broke in properly, etc)

or

New 50" ST60 for $999 from Amazon?

Is there $350 worth of picture quality difference if going with the ST60? Something that is actually noticeable without the screens side by side?
post #9592 of 9972
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Originally Posted by 3In2Out View Post

I know I posted this before, but I didnt post a price.

Used 50" ST50 for $650 (Bought in March 2013, broke in properly, etc)

or

New 50" ST60 for $999 from Amazon?

Is there $350 worth of picture quality difference if going with the ST60? Something that is actually noticeable without the screens side by side?
If youre not super picky and arent planning on a professional calibration....I would say no.
post #9593 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

If youre not super picky and arent planning on a professional calibration....I would say no.

I think its 100% safe to say that I would never have a professional calibration done on the ST60. I dont think Im super picky either. Do I want it to look as nice as possible? Sure. But, Im also used to a 42" 720P 4 Series Samsung plasma and enjoyed it.
post #9594 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Cuda1169 View Post

With the naked eye there is no difference. I own the ST50 and my neighbor recently purchased the ST60. He used my calibrator and acheived great PQ like I did with my ST50. The calibrator said that the ST60 had more settings and was easier for him the calibrate but tha the PQ was virtually equal with the ST60 maybe being a tad sharper. With my naked eye, in a dark room, I personally couldn't tell the difference, both panels look great. The ST60 has additional features that my ST50 does not have. If I was purchasing now, I would likely go with the ST60 though gaming lag would be of concern for me.

Anything else? Which styling do you like more? Additional features? Like what? Your side by side comparison is valuable, thanks for the write up. I'd be interested in more info. The ST50 and ST60 are priced identically right now at 60", its just you gotta wait for or hunt down an st60.
post #9595 of 9972
Purchased a 60" ST50 yesterday...

It was $1501.13 on Amazon as opposed to $1499.99 for the ST60. I think for watching video and casual gaming, the ST60 would be a far better deal with it's better PQ and 2 included 3D glasses. Unfortunately I'm sensitive to the lag and it would bug the crap out of me to play games on it. I found one site with them for $1250 and free shipping, but I wasn't as confident on the return policy as I am with Amazon's. On other sites, the price went up to $1800 :|

Now I just have to wait a week for it to arrive.
post #9596 of 9972
I went ahead and picked up the 50" ST50 for $650. Glad I went that route instead of buying the new ST60 at close to a grand.

Im very happy with the picture quality of the ST50 and even happier having $350 more in my pocket.

Im currently just running some CNET settings. Is there any that have been better recommened than those? Was thinking about grabbing a WOW disc, or something of the sort to give one a shot.
post #9597 of 9972
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Originally Posted by 3In2Out View Post

I went ahead and picked up the 50" ST50 for $650. Glad I went that route instead of buying the new ST60 at close to a grand.

Im very happy with the picture quality of the ST50 and even happier having $350 more in my pocket.

Im currently just running some CNET settings. Is there any that have been better recommened than those? Was thinking about grabbing a WOW disc, or something of the sort to give one a shot.
The CNET settings arent very good imo. There are probably better settings in this thread if you search for them. A WOW disc could be very helpful.
post #9598 of 9972
Cool, Ill search the thread for setting when I get home tonight and give it another try. Probably go ahead and get a WOW disc too anyways. I bought a 40" 5 series LED Samsung for our bedroom, so I can use it on that too.


Probably the biggest issue Im having at the moment is with my audio setup. I am currently using a Yamaha YAS-101 for a soundbar. I wanted a soundbar with a subout so I could use my BIC H-100 with it. My problem is, Im not getting audio from 95% of my channels when connecting the TV to the soundbar via optical. It seems as though the only time I get audio is when the channel is being broadcast in stereo...like infomercials and such. I get nothing from all the other channels...most of which Im assuming are broadcast in Dolby Digital.

Shouldnt the TV down convert the assumed DD signal to stereo then pass it over optical to the soundbar? If I run optical straight from the cable box (which I am doing right now), it works perfectly. My only issue with that, is that it would keep me from passing audio to the soundbar when I want to use one of the smart features such as amazon instant, netflix, etc.

Any advice? I would assume its a setting with the tv or something. Obviously the optical port works on the tv since it passes stereo channels, but if I go into the settings, there doesnt seem to be much as far as audio setting other than turning off the TV speakers (which they are).
post #9599 of 9972
Its either a setting in the soundbar or cable box or its simply not compatible with the tv. I would check the cable box first. Make sure its set to output DD. There are no tv audio settings that will help.
post #9600 of 9972
I can only think of it being the TV, but that doesnt make much sense to me as its a very basic function.

The soundbar is compatible with Dolby Digital and DTS Digital. That and it works fine if just using optical from the cable box to the soundbar. Guess Ill see if I can pull a menu up for the u-verse box to see if there is any setting in it I can change.

Id only assume there is other that have run into this problem, as connecting the TV to the soundbar via optical seems to be the first way most would handle it if it didnt have an HDMI connection.
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