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post #9661 of 9972
The TV explains what the difference is. 1 and 2 just use different methods of trying to detect whether the source is 3D or not.
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Netflix is still completely broken for me on my ST50. I hope this isn't a permanent thing...
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Hi,
I have 50ST50 and sometimes I`m playing games with PS3 on it. What is the best settings for gaming? When I use "game mode" there is a lot of "double images" on the background, (for example in GTA V, it`s always). When I use "cinema mode or normal" and IFC set to Low or Max the picture is losing frames... and it looks horrible.

Everyone says that plasma is "best for gamers"... but for which type of gamers?

I know that this effect cause variable frames per second (in GTA V between 20 to 30 fps).

I need your advise, can I do something with that?
Edited by sunnyluk - 9/23/13 at 11:08pm
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Originally Posted by sunnyluk View Post

Hi,
...
I need your advise, can I do something with that?

No, not on your Panasonic without Samsung AMP Auto Motion Plus tech. , framedoubling happens on all 30fps games, that's most PS3 games capped on.
So for me all 30fps games was useless on this tv!

Thats why I got another Samsung LED 3dtv especially for console 30fps PS3 gaming, with the AMP there're 2 adjustments Blur Reduction and Judder Reduction available.
With settings Blur=4 and Judder=8, it gave the PS3 GTA V looks like a clear, smooth, sped up (soap opera) 60fps game without any framedoubling!
There's tiny bit lag and stutter, but almost not noticeable anyway, without AMP the framedoubling and ghosting shows up and I can't play at all.

I kept my Panasonic Plasma for movies and PC 60fps games only.
So you'll need a Samsung Plasma or LED TV with AMP tech for 30fps games!

p.s. Give your Plasma a good break-in with Pixel Jogger (use search or google).
Edited by iBrad - 9/24/13 at 2:26am
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If you don't have any issues with your ST50's de-interlacing and scaling of OTA and Cable channels- please skip this post!

I wanted to ask ST50 owners that have observed the poor video processing of this set when it comes to de-interlacing and scaling OTA and cable channel content if they've been able to remedy this issue in any way. Is anyone using an external video processor like the dvdo edge duo or an AVR? How much of an improvement do you see PQ wise with your external processor added to the loop?

Before everyone starts harping on me- please understand that this is a well documented issue by many owners of last years panny *T50 series models. The set does some bizarre scaling, you can see this in noisy 1080i/p images where it gets confused and posterizes too much and you lose facial details. This results in a loss of resolution with the internal processor. I just want to stop running back to the other room whenever I watch OTA content and somehow make this tolerable. I have a darbee in the loop but it hasn't helped much at all.
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Does the darbie convert 1080i to 1080p?

I just use my receiver's deinterlacer. Does the trick for any non progressive source.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by nathan_h View Post

Does the darbie convert 1080i to 1080p?

No.
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Well then it's not the solution to the op's problem :-)
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Originally Posted by Chere View Post

I have a darbee in the loop but it hasn't helped much at all.

Reading that, I thought maybe the op was using it because it had some de-interlacing feature.

I'm relying on a receiver with a simple ABT1030 chip (so simple, Marantz doesn't even list it in the spec sheet) and it does a fine job of bypassing the deinterlacing in the TV of simple material like cable/OTA 1080i signals.
Edited by nathan_h - 9/28/13 at 8:03pm
post #9669 of 9972
Thought I would chime in. I recently had a lightening strike and had to repair my 65VT50 and 60ST50 main "A" Boards. It also fried my HDMI board in the receiver that was on the 60ST50. It is an onky tx-nr3007. I had always used the two together. The tv was repaired rather quickly, In about 4 days. The receiver took about 3 weeks. I h
Was using the tv without the receiver and I was very disappointed with the picture. So much so that I called the tv repair place to make sure that everything was functioning properly.

I use comcast cable and it looked terrible in some instances with jittery play and colors looked off, etc. when playing blu ray all was well. When I got the receiver back I set it to output 1080P and it looks like it should, so I am a happy camper again.

Funny enough the VT handled it better or maybe because it is in a lighter room was less evident. It definitely looked better wih the receiver back in line, Integra DTR80.3.

This of course is all my subjective opinion, but a good quality up converting chip is a must for these televisions with sub par input content.
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Just ran into a problem with wireless. My st50 cannot find my wireless router or any router(neighbor). Nothing shows up as an option. I tried resetting my router and still nothing. My connection is good as my iPhone and laptop pick up the signal. Called panasonic and they talked about sending a tech out. Really would rather resolve this myself, any ideas?
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Originally Posted by btinindy View Post

Thought I would chime in. I recently had a lightening strike and had to repair my 65VT50 and 60ST50 main "A" Boards. It also fried my HDMI board in the receiver that was on the 60ST50. It is an onky tx-nr3007. I had always used the two together. The tv was repaired rather quickly, In about 4 days. The receiver took about 3 weeks. I h
Was using the tv without the receiver and I was very disappointed with the picture. So much so that I called the tv repair place to make sure that everything was functioning properly.

I use comcast cable and it looked terrible in some instances with jittery play and colors looked off, etc. when playing blu ray all was well. When I got the receiver back I set it to output 1080P and it looks like it should, so I am a happy camper again.

Funny enough the VT handled it better or maybe because it is in a lighter room was less evident. It definitely looked better wih the receiver back in line, Integra DTR80.3.

This of course is all my subjective opinion, but a good quality up converting chip is a must for these televisions with sub par input content.




The biggest issue I have is for example when watching OTA broadcast material the picture looks good in one instance (like say inside the newsroom) and absolutely unwatchable the next (say when they go to a pre-recorded segment or to a newscaster out in the field). It is a jarring experience. My 3 year old bedroom Sammy plasma trounces it in every way and it's not even close. I've seen 720p sets that look better This shows the overall lackluster video processing and by all accounts is due to the fact that Panasonic went with their own internally developed video processor recently which they are still refining and working on. Evidence is on this year's ST60 where it is much better. I love my set don't get me wrong. Where video processing needs aren't required like excellently mastered blu ray discs the pic is nothing short of stunning.

I've been doing some research and I've finally decided to purchase the upcoming Oppo 103D to remedy this issue. It should have latest marvell qdeo processor which will handle all the video processing needs. I'll report the results here.

I'd still like to hear ST50 owners with external video processors, AVRs and the like post their opinions regarding this issue. Maybe someone here has the Oppo 103 as a blu ray player and uses it for dual function as a video processor as well? Your thoughts are welcome.
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I definitely get the same thing when watching the news and have just gotten used to it. I just put it down to being a realistic representation of the pq. Of course its going to look better in the newsroom with controlled lighting and better cameras than it will when someone is standing on the street reporting something.
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Hi avsforum, this is my first post and I want to say thank you for all of the help that everyone in this thread has already provided me! I own a panasonic p55st50 and am curious about an issue that I could not find any information on. On scenes with a largely uniform colored background or sections of scene that have areas of constant (or gradually changing color, like headlights, etc.), my TV seems to make up the color through a series of colored "rings". Does anyone know why or how to fix it? The issue is most prevalent on streaming content such as netflix but the image that I attached show it on the headlights on grand theft auto.

 

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Have you tried the same game on a different tv? Maybe it's suppose to look like that when you are in the dark place in a game. What settings are you using? I have a GT50 not the ST50 but it could just be the game. Do you see this watching movies?
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Originally Posted by beaz2890 View Post

my TV seems to make up the color through a series of colored "rings".

I have a relatively new P55ST50 and I have noticed this too. For instance, scenes with expanses of fog like in Avengers (I think I was watching through Amazon Prime) when Loki is chatting up the ugly alien guy. I have only observed it in streamed content but that could just be coincidence.

It occurs so rarely that I don't worry about it. In fact, I can only ever recall seeing it in areas of very slightly shaded light grey.

Regards,

Chris
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Originally Posted by Artuk View Post

I have a relatively new P55ST50 and I have noticed this too. For instance, scenes with expanses of fog like in Avengers (I think I was watching through Amazon Prime) when Loki is chatting up the ugly alien guy. I have only observed it in streamed content but that could just be coincidence.

It occurs so rarely that I don't worry about it. In fact, I can only ever recall seeing it in areas of very slightly shaded light grey.

Regards,

Chris
It's called posterization and it's quite common with overcompressed source material. In other words, 99% of the time, it's the fault of the source, not of the TV.
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Do you fellers keep the pixel orbiter on? How about the motion smoother when should I and should I use it's?
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Originally Posted by gomess023 View Post

Do you fellers keep the pixel orbiter on? How about the motion smoother when should I and should I use it's?
I,keep the PO on because I cant tell when its on or off and it cantnhurt. Motion smoother Imusually keep,off.
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I am no expert but I experimented with a football game and saw no benefit from using motion smoothing. On the more aggressive settings I did see occasional artifacts.

Like Mr Bond, I leave the pixel orbiter on since I can't see a difference and while it may not help much it does not seem to hurt either.
post #9680 of 9972
Hi everyone,

Apologies if this has been asked before.

I have an ST50 and I've noticed that on 4:3 content it automatically stretches the content to fill the 16:9. And when I set the display to 4:3 the pillar bars are light grey rather than black (like specifically lit grey). I've had the set for over a year and rarely watch 4:3 content but recently got some old TV shows on DVD and it has become more of an issue, though the problems also exist when watching cable, so it is not my blu-ray player.

So two questions:

1. Can I make the pillars black?
2. Can I set the display to show the native dimensions?

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by smack518
1. Can I make the pillars black?
2. Can I set the display to show the native dimensions?

Thanks!
Hi Smack!
I was supposed to post a (different) question too.. But this might solve your prob. I was fiddling with mine & maybe what I found would out work with yours. I made my side bars black (or darker) on 4:3 content. Hit Menu > Picture > Aspect Adjustment > I selected 4:3. Exit all the way from here.  Hit Menu again > Set-Up (this time) > Anti Image Retention > 4:3 side bars (this should be active & not grayed out). Then I guess you can select the darkness level you desire from here.  I only did this once, so I dunno if it will stay that way or what. The potential negative thing I see here is that one has to manually change the Aspect adjustment different contents - 0.02 cents. At any rate, hope it helps.
Sorry by the way man it's my very first post. Not sure how the format would come out.
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I am getting bars on mine without having to do anything special. In fact, I have the opposite problem. I want it to default to stretched so that I don't have to worry about IR on the 4:3 kids shows. I would prefer the bars to be what I have to actively choose. As it is now I have to make sure i go in and do H-Fill when the kids watch stuff. Some of that could be the way streamed content is sent to the TV.

Along with that as a side issue is that I cannot change the screen format when streaming content from the TV app which is a real shame. As it is now I have to stream content from my PS3 if I want to be able to change the format. I would have liked the built in Netflix and Amazon to be available for kids stuff with less navigation required.
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Has any used default cinema mode after viewing with D-nice's settings for a long period of time? I have to keep resetting my tv back to defaults because netflix would freeze up and stop working. I've been through netflix and panasonic and neither could offer a fix. But anyways, after having the tv for a year and using D-nice's settings, I decided to give the Cinema mode a shot cuz i got tired of inputting D's settings over and over. Cinema has good colors off the bat but what we've noticed was that the HD channels stand out ALOT more. My gf was shocked on how much better the tv looked in HD with cinema compared to using D-nice's settings. So strange. I remember back when I first saw a HD tv, my buddy was watching Lord of the RIngs in HD and it was eye candy. Cinema mode on this tv reminded me exactly of that. It doesn't seem to do the same with D-nice's settings.

Just something I noticed.
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Doesn't Cinema default to 100 contrast? I think that might make it pop a lot more although at the expense of other aspects.

I tried a number of settings and ended up using a tweaked version of the CNet setting.. but my panel is probably still in its first 100 hours so a different situation.
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Yes. Cinema does default to 100 Contrast. Also Sharpness is 50. That may have something to do with it.
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Interesting about the contrast and sharpness. I really like how the tv looks so I may just keep it this way or maybe use most of d-nice's settings but keep contrast and sharpness to default. I tested out cinema with Avatar, which I've only watched with the tv set to D-nice's settings. and WOW, a huge difference. It actually looked like it did in the theaters when I saw it back then.

I just wish I didn't have to keep resetting the tv cuz of Netflix.
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Yes, I would imagine it would pop more. However as others have stated at the expense of other aspects, which I imagine are color accuracy, black level and shadow detail. Certainly a preference thing.
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Originally Posted by HTtom View Post

I'm curious what ST50 owners think a fair price is for a lightly used 50ST50 (7 months of light use). We aren't currently using it, but I'm on the fence about keeping it if Panasonic exits the plasma market.
With tvs so cheap now youd be lucky to get 50% of what youve got in it. Why are you on the fence about keeping it if Panasonic exits the plasma market?
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What I read is that they are not exiting the plasma market. They are closing a factory in China dedicated to making plasmas and will still make them at another factory in China currently making LCDs as well as in Japan.

I am not a fan of LCD. I hope my ST50 lasts long enough for OLED to be affordable if consumer plasma panels do phase out.
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According to a note in the November issue of Sound & Vision, Panasonic and Sony have established a joint venture to produce OLED HDTV's. Could have something to do with Panasonic's involvement with future plasma production.
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