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post #9901 of 9972
Sorry for asking this if this has been asked in an earlier post (read 30 latest pages of comments) and atleast I didn't see the answer to this:

Is it possible to set the RGB Range to full or nonstandard (whatever it is called on a Panny plasma) on a European ST50? I can't find the option for it, nor the option for HDMI Content Type. If the answer is NO, is it possible to go into the Service Menu (how do you go into it?) and change the settings there to enable RGB Range and HDMI Content Type?
post #9902 of 9972
Actually just tried using photos rather than graphics and was able to get it close to custom with a gamma of 2.2. So I'm sticking with photos for now.
post #9903 of 9972
Did you change any of your picture settings when you changed from Graphics to Photos?
post #9904 of 9972
Yeah so I spent last night, probably about 2 hours changing graphics/auto/off back and forth. Theres a Huge difference when you do it on game mode. It goes from extreme to natural like it should be. Looks almost identical to cinema mode. In killzone 4 during a fire scene there's a drastic difference. With graphics mode it looks just like custom and cinema, you can see al the details. With graphics mode off you just see minimal details and bright orangish red for fire. I suggest anyone using game mode to tinker with deathrattleheads setup. It's a night and day difference. Now off to spending the next 2-3 hours tinkering with graphics/photo.

Deathrattleheads what consoles are you using btw to test?
post #9905 of 9972
I haven't played with game mode much before now, because it looked like crap and I couldn't get the picture quality I wanted, so I soon gave up. However, I hadn't ever messed around with the HDMI settings either.

Playing on Xbox One, I started playing around with my settings. Game mode absolutely crushes blacks regardless of what I do with brightness/contrast, so I thought the RGB settings might make a difference. My X1 is set to "RGB limited", and in Custom mode with my TV's RGB range set to "Auto", it looks right. In Game mode "Auto" looks terrible, but setting it to "nonstandard" is maybe the best I've ever seen on Game mode.

Anyone else want to try this and make sure I'm not crazy?

To summarize my results:
Xbox set to RGB Limited
Custom mode + Auto/standard = correct
Custom mode + nonstandard = washed out
Game mode + Auto/standard = high contrast, crushed blacks
Game mode + nonstandard = correct?
post #9906 of 9972
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Originally Posted by gomess023 View Post

Yeah so I spent last night, probably about 2 hours changing graphics/auto/off back and forth. Theres a Huge difference when you do it on game mode. It goes from extreme to natural like it should be. Looks almost identical to cinema mode. In killzone 4 during a fire scene there's a drastic difference. With graphics mode it looks just like custom and cinema, you can see al the details. With graphics mode off you just see minimal details and bright orangish red for fire. I suggest anyone using game mode to tinker with deathrattleheads setup. It's a night and day difference. Now off to spending the next 2-3 hours tinkering with graphics/photo.

Deathrattleheads what consoles are you using btw to test?

I use a PS3, PS4, XBox One and Wii U. The Xbox One crushes blacks on its own with certain games. Dead Rising 3 really gets crushed. Doesn't make it easier for us, that's for sure. Neogaf has a whole thread dedicated to the Xbox crushing blacks and adding artificial sharpening to 720p games.
post #9907 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Powers16 View Post

Did you change any of your picture settings when you changed from Graphics to Photos?

Contrast 79
Brightness 54
Color 50
Tint 0
Sharpness 0
Warm 2
All else set to Off.
post #9908 of 9972
Quick question to ST50 owners. If you aren't going to use any of the apps on the HDTV, is there any reason to download firmware updates? I haven't run into any problems and I'm concerned about the firmware erasing the professiinally calibrated settings.
Edited by Jeremyd5 - 1/4/14 at 7:25pm
post #9909 of 9972
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Originally Posted by Jeremyd5 View Post

Quick question to ST50 owners. If you aren't going to use any of the apps on the HDTV, is there any reason to download firmware updates? I haven't run into any problems and I'm concerned about the firmware erasing the calibrates settings.

I have a GT50. If you don't want to, you don't have to. It does not erase calibrated settings. I would have them written down regardless.
post #9910 of 9972
Since everyone is sharing their Game Mode settings. Here is what I am using on my Xbox One with my P60ST50. Inspired by CNET's katzmaier custom settings:

Picture mode: Game
Contrast: +82
Brightness: +60
Color: +46
Tint: 0
Sharpness: +75
Color temp: warm2
Color mgmt: off
CATS: off
Video NR: off
Screen format: full
HD size: size 1
Black level: light
HDMI Content Type: Graphics
post #9911 of 9972
Shortly after the latest firmware update, my 55ST50 has developed an issue. I don't know if they are directly related, but the timing was very interesting.

I now have two largish yellow blobs on the panel that are visible under grey/white screens. There's not even a hint of them them being there on red/blue/green slides. One is in the upper left side of the screen and the other is a longish blob along the right side.

The fun part is, they aren't always there. If I let the pixel flipper on the Disney WOW disc run for awhile with the TV on vivid, they all but vanish. However, if I switch back to custom mode, they eventually return. Maxing out contrast and brightness tends to make them fade a bit.

If they are visible on screen and I pull up the TV menu, they vanish. It's almost as if it's not a direct defect in the panel but the way that the voltages are being handled. That's why I'm wondering if the firmware update screwed something up, possibly with ABL, that's causing these artifacts to show up. In fact, I've noticed a few instances going through the calibration slides recently where the overall brightness of the panel would fluctuate suddenly.

I let the TV wash on the pixel flipper on vivd for a few hours and switched back to custom and watched TV for the remainder of the night, I was all happy because I thought the issue was resolved. However, as time went on later in the night, the blobs got stronger again. It reminds me of painting over a stain on the wall. It initially goes away, but then it creeps through again.

I bought the set in April of 2012 so I'm out of Panasonic's warranty. I did buy it on my Amex card though which extends warranty by a year so I have a bit of time to screw around with it to see if a solution presents itself. I would hate to warranty the TV only to have the issue be resolved in a later firmware update. I really wish there was a way to roll back firmware to test the theory.
post #9912 of 9972
^^^^This is a common problem on the VT50 psnels, I had the exact same thing got a full refund from Amazon outside my return window. My advice contact Panasonic, related to panel voltage possibly heat related. There is a thread on the VT50 issue where you might get some instight.
post #9913 of 9972
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Originally Posted by chunon View Post

^^^^This is a common problem on the VT50 psnels, I had the exact same thing got a full refund from Amazon outside my return window. My advice contact Panasonic, related to panel voltage possibly heat related. There is a thread on the VT50 issue where you might get some instight.

Thanks, the images from the VT50 thread are EXACTLY like mine. I wonder why there haven't been many ST50 reports?

I'll contact Panasonic, but since I'm nearly a year out of warranty, I don't expect them to do much. I'm betting AMEX will completely refund the purchase price of the TV though.
post #9914 of 9972
Hdmi1 input randomly pops ups on the screen.

I have the Panny ST50 series with Onkyo txnr515, PS4 and uverse cable box both running through the receiver.

I've tried changing out hdmi cables and resetting the tv to factory settings but nothings works. I've searched online for the longest and can't find anything that will work.

Any help would be greatly appreciated
post #9915 of 9972
Is that a problem? Mine does the same whenever I switch inputs on my receiver.
post #9916 of 9972
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Originally Posted by btinindy View Post

Is that a problem? Mine does the same whenever I switch inputs on my receiver.

No, it does intermittingly. I understand it does that when you change inputs but it keeps popping up long after changing inputs.
post #9917 of 9972
Hello everyone, I have a question regarding the 3D setup menu. Specifically, I'm not sure I'm understanding what the 3D Adjustment setting (-3 to +3) does to a 3D image. For example, if I select +1 instead of zero, am I increasing both the depth of field and how far 3d effects pops out of the TV or am I adjusting the pop up effect at the expense of the depth of field? Or is it just used to reduce crosstalk and eyestrain? If it is an adjustment for depth of field, what is the recommended setting?
post #9918 of 9972
Was a consensus ever reached for GAME MODE?:

Photo or Graphics?
post #9919 of 9972
Quote:
Originally Posted by GatorRican View Post

Was a consensus ever reached for GAME MODE?:

Photo or Graphics?
I don't know if consensus was every reached. Some preferred game mode as it can help with input lag for fps games. Personally, I use my custom calibrated settings and I have not issue with fps input lag and my calibrated settings look a ton better than game mode.
post #9920 of 9972
I also use the calibrated settings instead of Game Mode and I haven't had any issues playing single player FPS games, even on expert difficulties. Whether or not to use Game Mode I think really boils down to how much you care about competitive multilpayer gaming. If you are kind of casual about it (that's how I am), then the possibility of losing a kill due to input lag (which I suspect does happen although I've never actually noticed it) is negated by the superior picture that can be achieved via calibration of the custom settings. However, if you are really hardcore about competitive multiplayer, then you may find the reduced input lag in Game Mode beneficial. That's just my opinion though.

Any chance I can get a reply from one of the experts here on my question?
Edited by Jeremyd5 - 1/27/14 at 9:49am
post #9921 of 9972
I missed out on the opportunity to buy an ST60, but I have found a brand new ST50 that is available. I don't really need a new TV, but I love the Panasonic plasma that I bought in 2006 (a TH-42PHD8UK - professional version) and I know I will need to replace it eventually. The ST50 may not be quite as nice as the ST60, but the price is right and it seems like an excellent TV. I'll also never have another chance to buy a new Panasonic plasma.

So, if you were offered a good deal on a brand new ST50, would you take it? My alternative is to wait a couple more years and buy whatever is available at the time.
post #9922 of 9972
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Originally Posted by trapedui View Post

I missed out on the opportunity to buy an ST60, but I have found a brand new ST50 that is available. I don't really need a new TV, but I love the Panasonic plasma that I bought in 2006 (a TH-42PHD8UK - professional version) and I know I will need to replace it eventually. The ST50 may not be quite as nice as the ST60, but the price is right and it seems like an excellent TV. I'll also never have another chance to buy a new Panasonic plasma.

So, if you were offered a good deal on a brand new ST50, would you take it? My alternative is to wait a couple more years and buy whatever is available at the time.

Simply: YES. I'm surprised there's still a brand-new ST50 sitting around somewhere, but if you've checked it out and it seems legit, definitely go for it.
post #9923 of 9972
What is the ST50's size and prize?

As an owner of a 55ST50, but have not ever seen an ST60, I would say buy it. From every thing I've read only the most picky of videophiles would be able to tell a picture quality difference between the ST50 and the ST60. And it would only be visible in a controlled environment.
post #9924 of 9972
It looks like they had an inventory error. I called yesterday and they confirmed they had 12 50-inch sets available for $900, plus shipping. Today, I tried to order and the item is no longer listed on their website. I called and they don't have any and most likely did not have any yesterday either. This makes sense. It would be very odd for a company to still have 12 ST50's in stock.

Thanks for the advice Hermolicious. I was all set to pull the trigger.
post #9925 of 9972
Frustrated mad.gif: Is there a way to force the ST50 to output PCM only?

I have an integrated AMP (without dolby decoding) that I want to use for its DAC processing and output to speakers.
My envisioned setup is to use TV as HDMI source switch with digital audio to integrated amp to do decoding.
The AMP can not handle the dolby decoding as I expected to be able to dorce the audio output from the TV two channel, but can not determine how.

Thanks.
Edited by askjeffro - 2/10/14 at 6:49pm
post #9926 of 9972
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Originally Posted by askjeffro View Post

Frustrated mad.gif: Is there a way to force the ST50 to output PCM only?
Unfortunately no since Panasonic didn't provide that option in their menus unlike how Samsing did on their tvs.
post #9927 of 9972
Quote:
Originally Posted by BriscoCountyJr View Post

Unfortunately no since Panasonic didn't provide that option in their menus unlike how Samsing did on their tvs.

Thank you for the response, I can now consider returning the Amp and going a different route. I was used to having the option and thought there might be something in the service menu somewhere. Ah well.
post #9928 of 9972
I did find this:
http://shop.panasonic.com/docs/how-to/2013/tv/2013_How_to_Change_the_Audio_Output_to_PCM.swf

Which suggests certain 2013 models do support switching. I have been unable to locate a list of supported models.
post #9929 of 9972

Hi!

 

I have a European version of ST50 and I did find the option to select AUTO or PCM SPDIF output, but not in every mode...

 

I tried it under analog TV and the option is not available... but when I use media player I have this option...

post #9930 of 9972
Thanks Turbo. I've spent considerable time trying to find a manner to make this happen, I believe I'm up the creek.
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