LG CS560/570 series (2012 models) - Page 2

Hey romulux, a few questions on the inputs/outputs from your CS560.

Is there still a headphone output like last year's LK450 or not?

How many USB ports are provided, and is there still a robust media player built-in to play back all of the popular video codecs?

Also, are there four separate analog video inputs still included (2 composite and 2 component)?

Thanks in advance!

Interesting ! Do you think this is uneffective at making it look any different? Would hate to buy one then realize the 60hz is almost identical

The picture definitely looks different with TruMotion on.

Well that's painful to hear that LG stripped out a lot of the inputs and outputs. And 2 HDMI inputs just doesn't cut it nowadays. Seems I'll still have to source out a leftover LK450 with an IPS panel then. Or wait and see how the Panasonic TC-LxxE5 series is like once it's available in stores.

I have one of these and it works very well.

this x1000.

I'm gonna have to go with an LK now because I have 4 HD sources.. one is gonna get thrown to component, probably the digital cable since it doesn't get 1080p anyway. This just turned me off to the cs560, even IF they somehow drastically improve the black levels. I wonder if they will.

Any mention if these will have picture in picture?? Might save some face over the LK series.

How is video game mode on this tv? Low levels of processing?

I just picked up the LG 32CS560 as soon as I realized it was out as well. I had been looking for 3 x LG 32LK450's and found them but was not interested in dealing with people over the phone and or a panel lottery.

Picked up 2 of these units at Best Buy for $399 + tax per unit. I think Best Buys across the US just took shipment of these new models very recently.

I'm coming from a single LG 42LD450 which I had dialed in perfectly, mostly thanks to the AVS forums.

My first impressions? ................... Fantastic! Cracked the box open, attached the stand, placed the monitor in its desired spot. Plugged in my HDMI to DVI cable and fired both the monitor and PC up. BTW, the LG 32CS560 has swanky touch sensitive controls on the bottom right hand corner.

Windows came up with a stretched desktop. I hit Q.menu, selected "just scan" and the Windows 7 desktop instantly took it's correct shape. I then navigated down to picture mode and selected expert1. In the expert1 sub menu, I turned off edge enhance which removed the halo effect from everything. I then left expert1 leaving all other settings alone.

I then installed my Spyder2 hardware / software and calibrated the set.

While I am no professional in this dept, I feel I have a solid grasp on all the proper steps that one might take to arrive at a descent picture quality and I think, for now at least, I have achieved that. Once someone actually goes into the Expert Sub Menu and comes up with very good numbers and shares then with the community, then I will of course use those. I did the same thing with the LG 42LD450 when others released those numbers as well.

I think this set has an absolutely fantastic picture once the proper steps are taken. The blacks are deep, colors vibrant. I should note my main motivation is its use as a PC display. Text is razor sharp with zero noticeable blur in games or movies. I feel no latency at all with my Nintendo Wii and playing some of the fast paced arcade games. Playing World of Warcraft and BF3 left me extremely impressed with this S-IPS panel. From the viewing angels to its performance. Turning off edge enhance in Expert Sub Menu removed any halo around text. Text now apprears as one might expect on any native PC Display. Perfect.

Including my own impression, and those of 3 others, here and on HardOCP, everyone seems to be very impressed with the LG 32CS560. I know I am. I completely expect this to be a very hot display for those us wanting an affordable but high quality, high performance display for or PC and or bedroom movie / video game duties. it serves all of those areas extremely well.

Other notes. Without the stand, the LG 32CS560 only weighs around 17lbs. Aprox the same weight as Dell's or HP's 30" PC solution. Point being, yes, my monitor arm could easily handle the 17lbs once I attached a 200 x 100 to 100 x 100 vesa adapter.

I also ran several 1080p MKV movies through the display and was just blown away. However, I am anxious to hear from others who are better qualified to make these kind of statements. Especially in these forums. To my untrained eye, I was very very pleased.

For now, because of I do not have much depth to my new computer work-station, I've had to go back to using the stand.

I have no problem saying that the LG 32CS560 is without a doubt the best looking and performing display I've owned in at least the last 10 years. That's coming from a Westy W1, Westy W3 and a LG 42LD450.

is it laggy enough to get ghosting? Heres what it looks like. If not, then I wouldn't complain too much.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FzqGQ3R58o

I also picked one of these up. I have been posting about it off and on over at [H]ard|Forum. I went a different route with my settings since I don't have any equipment. I started by turning the backlight down to 0 (yes, I'm aware this most likely needs to be higher but my room usually has no light source at all unless ambient light bleeds in during the day)and then went to the "Picture Wizard" (mostly to see what the process looked like), then fine tuned it with the Lagom and Vanity.dk test pages. After that, I used the AVSHD 709 MP4 to adjust my video card's settings for video playback. Obviously I skipped the colour correction parts that needed filters or equipment but there was an improvement and my eyes don't feel like they are trying to melt.

Motion in WoW is noticeably better than it was on the VR-3730 and the black levels are far better than I thought they would have been. Speaking of which, make sure you name your connection from the PC "Game" to get the least amount of blur available. Don't name it "PC" unless you want your text and picture to look like a hawt mess of halos. This can be resolved by adjusting the V Sharpness and H Sharpness in your TV's menu. I opted to just leave mine named "Game" though since it doesn't break 4:4:4 over a DVI>HDMI signal with the EDID override and, it leaves more of the colour adjustments unlocked. Plus the ghosting caught with a camera when the signal is named "PC" was excessive. The blur I'm talking about is when you spin 360 degrees in place and look at objects various distances from you. I personally don't have any issues with "normal" movement and POV (point of view) "typical" FOV (field of vision) camera panning but, I don't play FPS (first person shooter) games so opinions will like vary.

hrmm motion blur you say.. on the 120hz model? so are people buying those and turning it off anyway. I can't decide between 60hz and 120hz.

I don't think anyone has picked up the 120 Hz versions yet in the CS570 series. The general consensus is that you want the least amount of processing going on when you use a HDTV as a monitor though and 120 HZ and the way it fakes that refresh rate goes directly against that philosophy.

Everything has motion blur though when it comes to digital displays including 120Hz TN panels. The variable is how much of it is there and when it takes place. Apparently the 120Hz TN panels have the least amount of it so, that's what everyone uses as a comparison.

I don't have the game in the youtube video you linked to so I can't say if the CS560 series does that or not. I don't see anything like that from such a small camera movement in WoW though. That is obviously not anywhere near as graphically detailed though and the lighting engine used is probably entirely different. I also couldn't look at it with the shadows on as that animates a lot of background objects and the P4 and 6200 card I am borrowing weren't having any of that. I don't see anything changing shades of colour just from moving my FOV (field of vision) camera though but again, it is an entirely different game. I was hesitant to even mention it as the hardware on this borrowed rig is incredibly dated and it is likely playing a role in it. I mentioned it though because, I also viewed the VR-3730 on this rig so in that sense comparing the two was applicable as the 32CS560 showed a marked improvement on the same rig. It's just really hard to judge overall performance right now with such limited hardware.

The CS570 series seems to be the same as the 560 but with 120hz and an extra HDMI port, in 42 and 47" sizes.

I just wanted to say I had the same issue with this test image on my 32CS560. It might be the test image but, the sets might just be stupid good at whites. I had to set my brightness to 69 and the contrast to 100 to get that white test image to look like the recommended one and as you can imagine that made the black levels rather grey and there was far to large of a separation in 0 and 1% in the black levels. Backlight appears to play no role in that test image other than trying to act like it's harnessing the power of the sun.

The 32CS560 seems to be really good at breaking the white levels apart but, I can't help but think something is wrong with the test image itself given that it needs that much brightness dumped into it. Though it's equally impossible to not see the blocks in white 255 on the Lagom white saturation test page unless you also increase the brightness and I doubt anyone is going to say something is wrong with the Lagom test image. Based on that, the TV is either exceptionally good at the white levels or, we aren't allowed to add enough contrast to it when the brightness is set at the proper level. Something could also be wrong with the LG test image in either of those scenarios as well though.

It is. That's the 120Hz "upgrade" to the CS560 line. The LS line are LED sets but, I don't know how closely they are related. The following models are in the CS560 owner's manual:

32LS3400 (1080p and appears to be a UK model)
42LS3400 (1080p and appears to be a UK model)

*It was really bad idea to put these in the same manual as the 1080p sets because it implies it can display 1080p. I guess it's OK though since all the display resolutions are listed as "supported" and not "native".*

22LS3500 (720p)
26LS3500 (720p)
32LS3500 (720p)


Speaking of the manual, the very last page contains information about how to obtain the open source code contained in the products it covers. The model wasn't found when I went to the link though.

Ok, these images are from the "flawed" input lag test but, it is what it is. I will try to get a copy of SMTT to try and verify this later on. And yes, the 32CS560 LOL'd at the black levels on the Dell M991. I don't even remember the Dell M991 being this bad but all I have ever cared about on it is the input lag test and, I had just turned it on but I don't see it getting any better. This was done in clone mode with the 32CS560 @ 1920x1080 and the Dell M991 in a "pan&scan" version of something slightly distorted as it wasn't actually 16:9. Also keep in mind that I still have not been able to find the actual input lag of the Dell M991. The Dell M991 CRT is on the left and the LG 32CS560 is on the right.

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I've ran my set through several PS3 games, Xbox 360 games, Wii games and especially PC games and I'm not seeing or feeling any lag whatsoever. I also do not see any motion blur / ghosting.

I also thought movies displayed motion a bit better over past sets.

If there are any flaws with this set that would keep people away from using it as a primary PC display, I can't find or see any. And I am very picky when it comes to what I have in front of me. I just can't, won't settle for any type of latency / lag / ghosting / blur / color shifting, poor viewing angles / poor fit and finish. Not when there are other solutions out there that have none and in some cases, even cheaper.

My PC specs are 4.9Ghz 2600k 8gigs 2133 ram. 480gig SSD and a HD 7970

I borrowed a 360 and I didn't see anything out of place either. I don't play FPS (first person shooter) games but I looked at Borderlands, COD BO, COD W@W, Cysis 2, Fear3, and Left 4 Dead. The only thing I saw was a "glitter" (for the lack of a better word) on the moss and a few other things on a jungle scene in COD W@W but, I think it was the typical "jagged line" shift like you see on plaid patterns in movies. There was also some weird movement on the "panel" under "welcome" on the sign when you first start Boderlands when panning the FOV (field of vision) camera but, that was also there on my Orion/Toshiba 34HF85 CRT so it appears to be game related rather than display related. The 34HF85 was displaying two of the robot to the right of that sign as I slowly rotated the camera around 360 degrees while the 32CS560 displayed "one" but, it was really four of them close together as you can see four of the glowing antenna and that robot only has one. The spinning seemed more in focus on the 34HR85 but, the extra objects it was creating were spread much further out. Had they been closer together like they are on the 32CS560, stuff would have been out of focus when spinning the camera around 360 degrees. While the 34HR85 isn't the best CRT in the world (and the banding over HDMI made me want to vomit) it is what I have been watching movies on and gaming on since around 2005/2006. Again, I don't play the types of games that I tested but I sort of know what to look for from complaint videos on youtube and I was specifically looking for issues. There was definitely nothing going on like the link 00firebird posted earlier.

That having been said, I'm not feeling any input lag and the 360 was set to 1080p. As soon as the button is pushed, the gun shoots, the character jumps, etc. Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to go puke from motion sickness lol . . .

Initially I didn't have an issue meeting the black level test in the wizard at a brightness of 52. I noticed today though that it wanted to be at 38 which was way to low. I would have to agree that setting the brightness and contrast in the "picture wizard" should be avoided as it's going to cause issues.



Yes, I was using the input label "Game" when I did this as it's what I leave the PC set to. The stopwatch tests at Flatpanels.dk, Lagom, etc. are all off. They all show higher results than what SMTT, SMTT2, and an oscilloscope show. NCX recently linked to TFT Central's article on input lag that goes into detail about why the traditional stopwatch tests are inaccurate. The Lagom, Flatpanel.dk, etc. will give you a ballpark range but they aren't considered reliable by TFT Central, PRAD, and several enthusiasts. NCX also pointed out that it's not a flat 20ms difference between those test pages and a program like SMTT and that it can vary greatly.



When it comes to 480i/p I don't think there is a way to test input lag on that but, I could be wrong. I've heard the Wii is more susceptible to it because of the motion control and if that's true, the 360 and PS3 would be prone to that on certain games/setups as well. If I had my PS2 handy, I would throw GT4 (Gran Turismo 4) in and see what happens compared to the 34HR85 but I have a hunch people will start putting the CS560 line through a gauntlet of game tests in the near future with more advanced consoles and games. I'm extremely selective in the games I get and that's part of the reason that I never bothered to move past the PS2. I lost interest in paying several hundred dollars for a console I was only going to buy a handful of games on a long time ago. If it wasn't for GT4, I never would have even picked up a PS2 as I didn't even pick up the PS2 until about a week before GT4 launched. Hell, I only own 23 PS2 titles and 2 PS1 titles so yea lol. To be fair, I never picked up a PS1 though as I went the N64 route in that era.

I decided to compare the manual for the LK450 series to the one for the CS560 series. Several options have been removed from the CS560 series and are as follows:

Picture Mode:

APS
Photo (this was model Dependant)


TruMotion:

This was model dependent but it's allegedly in the 32CS560 yet there is is no setting for it in the menu.


Screen RBG PC:

This is obviously missing as the CS560 series does not have a VGA port


Advanced Settings/Expert Control:

Dynamic Colour (this is missing on Expert 1 and Expert 2)
Skin Colour
Digital Noise Reduction (Noise Reduction is still there)
Clear White
Eye Care
Real Cinema/Film mode (I have yet to see this not greyed out)
Colour Gamut (EBU, SMPTE, and BT709 have been removed)
xvYCC (I haven't seen this but, that type of signal may not be getting put out)
Colour Filter
Expert Pattern (this looks to have been replaced with inside which is the video feed and outside which is just a grey screen)
Color Temperature (is not available on expert and it has been changed to only go from W50 to C50. All methods except 2 point have been removed and 2 point is under the Expert Control on all video modes including Expert 1 and Expert 2. Unless I am mistaken and this wasn't on the LK450 series and people are doing the 10 point settings in some other fashion)


Option Settings:

ISM Mode (this was used to remove ghosting from stationary images and it has been removed).



I'm starting to wonder if I should have driven all over creation to find a 32LK450 now. I knew the filters had been removed but not the rest of this stuff. Honestly the removal of the additional Colour Gamut settings, 20 point IRE, 10 point IRE, and ISM Mode are the only ones that probably matter. The removal of the filters will also matter to some people. Since these are all allegedly going to be IPS panels though perhaps the the loss of these isn't anything major but, I imagine it will be a turn off to some especially due to the reduction of video inputs.

I got a bad cell phone video of the CS560 and frankly i'm not impressed by it.
the left is the LK450 and the right side CS560. You might not be able to tell in this short video but there were some substantial stuttering/judder issues the LK wasn't having on the same source feed.

http://s9.photobucket.com/albums/a74...323_142828.mp4

to top it all off my store no longer has IPS panel LK450s.

So is the panel lottery over with 560s? All have IPS? I'm gonna run to best buy and get me one if this is the case.

Allegedly LG's 2D 1080p sets smaller than 65" are supposed to use IPS panels. However, someone sent them an email about a model and they responded that they had no idea if it would use an IPS panel. Check the label on the box to be sure. When I bought mine they only had three in stock and one was the display. All three of them had the ASUYLUR code. The Y should indicate it's an IPS panel going by everyone that's bought one.

I can see what you mean. It was noticeable when the guy was falling down, especially.

Possibly a setup/configuration issue on the display unit or maybe just a defective set on display? Inappropriate use of "Real Cinema" or similiar functions upsetting the applecart perhaps?

It'd be interesting to get ahold of a remote for it and see if it could be gotten out of store demo mode, into a reasonable mode, and then some settings toggled to see what happens.