guys don't get your expectations too high for any kind of definitive a/b.
we didn't do any calibration, we didn't do any FR comparsions, we didn't do anything except some very very casual level matching. SMS-1 was out of the loop, mic2200 EQ was not engaged at all for EQ.
we just ran both sub systems with naked response.
I asked if we wanted to level match everything and try to make identical frequency responses,when I got there at 2PM, but because my job had taken an extra two hours in the morning I'd shown up two hours later to the party with my captivators than expected ---the group consensus by that time was let's just watch some clips. Sadly, we don't even have a frequency response to compare. None the less I/we had a great time.
I quickly used my omnimic (with not smoothing) to setup the cap pro HPF, it showed the cap pros down about 6dB at around 27hz, and down about 5db around mid 40's hz in pretty narrow bands. -- likely due to placement though we didn't really see the typical 70hz rise in carp's room. Overall not too bad for just naked response --- and with 1/6 smoothing (some would say about what the ear actually hears) the graph looked pretty good. generally speaking it was about a +/- 3 or so between 20hz and 80hz. I didn't even save it though -- sorry. I also didn't see the submersives FR chart, because I missed the earlier timeperiod when that was preformed, but MrSmither ran REW on his laptop, and he said the response looked pretty flat except for a similar dip at mid 40hz after he reviewed my omnimic graph. Who knows how much the FRs varied in reality --- because they were both measured with different equipment, and different placements, and the subs weren't even in the same position --- so don't think of this as some sort of definitive A/B -- it ended up just being a chance to crank the subs to eleven and have some fun.
Hey counsil -- thanks for the vote of confidence, but great setup still takes time and of course the setup is room and source chain dependant. My Mic2200 and HPF settings I use in my house don't apply in carps house, -- different receiver, different everything. I'm fairly quick at setting up parametric EQs now with the MIC2200, but I just setup the HPF and we immediately started watching clips instead of messing with the two available PEQs on the mic2200. At any rate, neither sub had any external
EQ advantage, though of course the submersive is EQ'ed in it's plate amp. I did find out I didn't have the HPF set quite right originally apparently and we got some distortion at one point on the caps when we were running the AVR at reference and the subs about 12dB hot. :P
The caps made a moment of bad sounds on a Titan AE icefield clip (I think it was?) (not any kind of hard bottom or clank, but they found their limits). I upped the HPF a couple clicks on the mic2200 and it didn't happen again.
The Crown XLS-5000 only tickled the clip lights a couple of times with the 20hz tune we used on the caps, and at the point people heard the distortion the clip lights weren't on at neither the mic2200, nor the crown amp --- so we had found the cap driver limits. I was watching the amp lights and mic2200 signal lights very closely to ensure we backed off when any clipping occurred. The omnimic showed 'peak' of 129dB on this clip at carps' main listening position - which is quite a ways away from the subs. I can't remember what max spl for the night was --- maybe carp remembers.
That said we had a great time, and one some things the submersives did better, and on some things the caps did better. I still walked away with confidence that I like my caps better, and carp may still like his submersives better. It's subjective. We like what we like.
I don't have a moments hesitiation in saying I loved the uzzi shots and most of the machine gun fire better on the submersives. But man, the explosions on the captivators are way more visceral --- like give you chills and non stop forced smiles visceral. like 2x's more incredible IMO. Heck during the battlefield earth final alien ship destruction sequence -- I think I had goosbumps, chills and forced grin of stupidity for about four minutes straight while we were listening at reference with the subs 10dB hot. The caps do get louder than the submersives. That said -- the submersives were no slouch and they actually got a LOT louder than I expected when compared to the caps at full bore. It wasn't a SPL blowout in favor of the caps.
Both are great sub systems and I'm very elated with what I own and still have the subs I most prefer of anything I've yet heard - but would be very satisfied with either set of subs. The volume levels we listened at were pure insanity.
Carps room is phenominal. He should be the poster child for a reasonably budget oriented system that is just killer. I love the ED cinema 12s. LOVE them! His projector picture is larger than life and the pictures do it no justice whatsoever. It's fantastic!
The Pulse scene with the throbbing pulse baseline is my new favorite demo clip. Incredible!
If we had more time I would have liked to try a 15hz tune on the caps, though the 20hz tune sounded great, and I didn't think it was missing much of anything noticably deep at those volumes. In fact, Alex (pennynike1) commented that he though the captivators were the deeper sounding sub. Carp said the captivators have a throatier sound. I personally think it's a meaner, more aggressive sound! In your face sound. At any rate --- six hours FLIES by when you are having fun! We had some great ribs at a local barbeque shop as well in a short break for dinner.
By the way. At the end of the night, Luke Kamp, and Pennynike1, and I went to see Brave at the new AMC Dolby Atmos theater in town. It's the new Dolby concept theater. There are only 16 in the US, and 22 in the world. A Dolby team was actually on hand to introduce the technology, and gave a little speech before the movie. There are 50 something surround speakers - on the ceilings, walls, everywhere.
Carps room was significantly better with the ED cinema12s, and either the Submersive or Captivator pair. - Significantly!
I couldn't help feeling dissapointed we didn't have the bluray at his house instead. It was plenty loud at the Atmos, and very clear, but the bass is soooo weak in comparison. I don't think there was much of anything below 30-35hz, and it's quite noticable when you've just experienced your body shaking for the previous six hours and you feel NONE of that in the theater. Level matched subs to mains is lamesauce.Edited by Archaea - 6/24/12 at 12:37am