Originally Posted by dare2be
But my point is that consumer whim is and can be driven by outside industry forces...in the case of analog SD DVD recorders, as Kelson pointed out, the consumer whim was shifted with the digital transition.
DVD recorder sales were tanking way before the ATSC transition came about, or was even on people's minds. The digital transition was the straw that broke the camel's back and finally did it in, but it was a sick camel before. Had it been stronger, manufacturers would have put the new tuners in no problem, but they had little interest in putting a bandaid on an ailing machine.
Consumers who ventured into the recorder realm either understood what these machines were and how to use them (that's us) and then there was the vast majority, who thought they were getting a VCR replacement ("Just records to a disc instead of a tape, right?) and found that it wasn't so easy ("finalizing discs? Hard drive? TVGOS-whatsit? Guh?) and returned the machine for a refund. Which made the damn things nigh-on unprofitable. And then the cable companies saw opportunity and offered their DVRs, and what do you know? They sold like Jessica Alba on the Maxim cover. Consumer whim.
Without consumer awareness and resistance (like what happened with SOPA/PIPA), we are all just lambs being led to the digital slaughter.
Oh, I don't doubt that the industry has been pushing for greater DRM and such (the piracy has pretty much forced them.)
My point is that there is no shadow government/backroom shenanigans or any of the ludicrous Machiavellian conspiracies flying about. It's content owners (Hollywood studios) duking it out with CE makers (Panasonic, et. al) over this stuff, with guys like Google (who are becoming a huge political force, btw) wanting to toss their hat in the ring and force their view of what should be done (the anti-SOPA/PIPA movement was almost all Google's doing. It certainly wasn't a grassroots people's movement.) It's a huge mess, and sometimes it's companies that straddle the fence (Sony is both a CE manufacturer and the owner of a major Hollywood studio.)
It's all this nonsense about conspiracies and united industries against the little guy BS that sticks in my craw and causes people to vastly misconstrue the situation and ignore what is REALLY going on. We're not lambs being led to slaughter, more a bunch of hamsters in the middle of an elephant fight.
Not sure if you mean "aired in the DVD recorder era" only applies to first-run airing, but shows like "Cold Case" (music rights making it cost prohibitive), "Wonder Years" (music rights again, the most requested show not yet released), "Now and Again (1999)", "China Beach", "Picket Fences" (again, music rights cost too high), and then even older classics like "Batman" and "Mighty Mouse", both I believe due to copyrights being split between companies due to corporate splits/buyouts.
I meant aired when DVD recording would have taken place. And yes, music rights are the issue with those shows. But again, that's not a corporate conspiracy, that's a bunch of rights owners bickering over money. No tinfoil needed.
And there's not much we can do about it without just tossing out copyright all together. It's the way it goes. Just wait for it to be settled or move on.