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post #391 of 661
1/14/13 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by Doctego View Post


Does this ever cause a problem if someone has their TV connected utilizing ARC and another component connected via optical? Both use D.IN, correct?

I wouldn't think so since they couldn't both be active at the same time. But I've read enough oddities in these threads to know that things that should work sometimes don't (and vice-versa).
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post #392 of 661
1/14/13 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post

1. ARC should work, but there are never any guarantees. smile.gif

2. Power on will not work. The other CEC functions should. LG, like Samsung, does not provide "auto-on" as part of their CEC implementation. Other brands like Panasonic and Sharp do have "auto-on".

3. Yes that's possible and yes, if ARC doesn't work using an optical cable solves the problem.

If I understood correctly, if ARC doesn't work and the bar gets the sound from tv through an optical cable, at the same time, LG remote can control the volume through HDMI-CEC... right?

Also, some more questions...

1. If the bar is not turned on when TV is on, then is there an option not to turn off the bar when the TV is off? I'd rather leave the bar always turned on... than turn on the bar everytime I turn on the TV...

2. If the bar and the TV are connectedby both HDMI and optical cables, how do I control the sound source (HDMI ARC or optical)?
Edited by gwchoi - 1/14/13 at 1:44pm
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post #393 of 661
1/14/13 at 2:11pm
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Originally Posted by Possumgirl View Post

This is just an FYI. The soundbar uses the D.IN input for both optical and ARC connections. So as long as there's an HDMI cable connecting soundbar to TV and the TV supports ARC and Anynet+ is enabled, the bar considers ARC as being in use whether it is or not. So you did have a connection, you just didn't know it. smile.gif

Could be. I was playing with it late at night and not taking notes. As I recall I was mainly trying to get turning on the TV to also turn on the sound bar, not worrying much about HDMI cable connected or not. And I failed on the turn on of both together -- so have added SPPWR buttons to my MX-500 remotes, so it now matters not.

Phil
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post #394 of 661
1/14/13 at 2:51pm
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Originally Posted by gwchoi View Post

If I understood correctly, if ARC doesn't work and the bar gets the sound from tv through an optical cable, at the same time, LG remote can control the volume through HDMI-CEC... right?
That should be true
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Also, some more questions...

1. If the bar is not turned on when TV is on, then is there an option not to turn off the bar when the TV is off? I'd rather leave the bar always turned on... than turn on the bar everytime I turn on the TV...
Time to get out your owner's manual and/or read the on-screen user guide to see if LG provides a way to turn "auto-off" off.
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2. If the bar and the TV are connectedby both HDMI and optical cables, how do I control the sound source (HDMI ARC or optical)?
If ARC is working you wouldn't need to have optical connected. There's nothing to control.
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post #395 of 661
1/14/13 at 3:06pm
This is a general question when this bar is also hooked up to BD player via HDMI. If BD player supports CEC, how is it supposed to work for CEC? I mean, can I use BD player remote only instead of bar remote to also control volume and on/off the bar?
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post #396 of 661
1/14/13 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by gwchoi View Post

This is a general question when this bar is also hooked up to BD player via HDMI. If BD player supports CEC, how is it supposed to work for CEC? I mean, can I use BD player remote only instead of bar remote to also control volume and on/off the bar?

Generally speaking, the remotes for BD players are not usually learning remotes. They may be able to control a TV of the same brand.

My suggestion for you is that whichever soundbar you choose, you consider getting a Harmony remote. Then you won't need to use CEC, you can control when your equipment turns on/off, you'll have things working the way you want.
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post #397 of 661
1/14/13 at 3:57pm
Remotes: Yes most BD remotes are pretty simple, at least the ones I've used. My Samsung TV remote says it is "universal": It will control my cable box + the TV but apparently not my BD player nor my sound bar (except the volume).

I had a Harmony remote some time ago (maybe 5 years ago). I was very frustrated with the programming process as I recall -- it was slow and the results were not to my liking. I ended up giving it to my daughter and buying an MX-500 "program it yourself" remote. In fact we added another and even have a new one for backup. They take some work to program, but once done you can easily clone the setting of one into the others. All that said, I suspect the Harmony remotes have been improved in five years.

Oops -- this is not a remote control forum smile.gif

Phil
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post #398 of 661
1/15/13 at 6:33pm
Just got this baby set up. It's awesome! I love it so far.

I have it setup via HDMI in/HDMI out to TV. I noticed people in this forum mention the degree of output they are achieving, (stereo, Dolby digital, etc.). I was wondering how I check to see what I am getting?
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post #399 of 661
1/16/13 at 5:10am
Possum girl the doctor is back. New attack. Will this configuration not hurt something. First all equipment is Samsung.
CO NFIGURATION.
Cable box to bar hdmi , bar to tv hdmi arc
Blu ray optical cable out to bar optical in

When I watch tv I use hdmi selection on bar
When I watch DVD on blu ray I use din selection on bar.

Major question can you have both hmdi ports on bar plugged in and have the optical cable also plugged into bar with no damage ?
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post #400 of 661
1/16/13 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by drdemon View Post

Possum girl the doctor is back. New attack. Will this configuration not hurt something. First all equipment is Samsung.
CO NFIGURATION.
Cable box to bar hdmi , bar to tv hdmi arc
Blu ray optical cable out to bar optical in

When I watch tv I use hdmi selection on bar
When I watch DVD on blu ray I use din selection on bar.

Major question can you have both hmdi ports on bar plugged in and have the optical cable also plugged into bar with no damage ?

You can have sources connected to any and all inputs on the soundbar with no worries. As you found out, you just need to change sources with the soundbar remote depending upon what you want to listen to.
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post #401 of 661
1/16/13 at 7:05am
I just discovered that if you use DirecTV and have a RC64X or RC65X remote (model number is in the upper-left corner on the front of the remote) you can control this soundbar. Only these remotes are supported, as they are able to be sent custom codes from the DirecTV receiver, so they get updated information the older remotes don't have. The key is having the X in the model number, I think there are other variations like RC64RX/RC65RX that have RF as well as IR control, but the X is the important bit as the RC64R or RC65R won't work.

On the DirecTV remote select Menu -> Settings & Help -> Settings -> Remote Control

Program the DTV remote for AV1 (or AV2) for an Audio device, pick Samsung, and at this time they only had HW-D450 listed but it worked.

Now in my case, where I am using HDMI-CEC (AnyNet+/Simplink) as well as HDMI-ARC, this is all I wanted to do. I turn on the DirecTV box/TV with the main power-on button on the rremote, flip the remote to AV1 and hit the PWR button to turn on the soundbar then flip the remote back to DirecTV. When I power the TV/DirecTV box off with the remote the soundbar turns off along with them.

However, even in instances where you don't have or want to use HDMI-CEC/ARC, this setup would allow connection of the soundbar via DigitalOptical because you could do the "punch through" or "volume lock" to tell the DirecTV remote that no matter what input you are on the volume controls would control the soundbar.

On the remote hit: Menu -> Settings & Help -> Settings -> Remote Control, and go to "Advanced" and choose "Volume Lock" and choose AV1/2 depending on which you programmed for the Samsung Audio device.

These RC-65X remotes can be had right on eBay for even as little as $6 with free shipping.

So using the HDMI-CEC/ARC setup makes my wife pretty happy because everything works the way it used to with DirecTV and the TV with its internal speakers, and if she wants to kick on the soundbar all she has to do is flip the switch to AV1 on the remote and hit PWR and the LG TV (47LW56000) automatically senses and switches over to the soundbar and the volume controls change the volume.
Edited by n9yty - 1/17/13 at 8:12am
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post #402 of 661
1/17/13 at 6:56am
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Originally Posted by n9yty View Post

I just discovered that if you use DirecTV and have a RC64X or RC65X remote (model number is in the upper-right corner on the front of the remote) you can control this soundbar. Only these remotes are supported, as they are able to be sent custom codes from the DirecTV receiver, so they get updated information the older remotes don't have. The key is having the X in the model number, I think there are other variations like RC64RX/RC65RX that have RF as well as IR control, but the X is the important bit as the RC64R or RC65R won't work.

On the DirecTV remote select Menu -> Settings & Help -> Settings -> Remote Control

Program the DTV remote for AV1 (or AV2) for an Audio device, pick Samsung, and at this time they only had HW-D450 listed but it worked.

Now in my case, where I am using HDMI-CEC (AnyNet+/Simplink) as well as HDMI-ARC, this is all I wanted to do. I turn on the DirecTV box/TV with the main power-on button on the rremote, flip the remote to AV1 and hit the PWR button to turn on the soundbar then flip the remote back to DirecTV. When I power the TV/DirecTV box off with the remote the soundbar turns off along with them.

However, even in instances where you don't have or want to use HDMI-CEC/ARC, this setup would allow connection of the soundbar via DigitalOptical because you could do the "punch through" or "volume lock" to tell the DirecTV remote that no matter what input you are on the volume controls would control the soundbar.

On the remote hit: Menu -> Settings & Help -> Settings -> Remote Control, and go to "Advanced" and choose "Volume Lock" and choose AV1/2 depending on which you programmed for the Samsung Audio device.

These RC-65X remotes can be had right on eBay for even as little as $6 with free shipping.

So using the HDMI-CEC/ARC setup makes my wife pretty happy because everything works the way it used to with DirecTV and the TV with its internal speakers, and if she wants to kick on the soundbar all she has to do is flip the switch to AV1 on the remote and hit PWR and the LG TV (47LW56000) automatically senses and switches over to the soundbar and the volume controls change the volume.

Thanks for posting this... My sound bar will be here today and I hope to setup the same way as you. Will let you know if I have any questions. I have an LG TV as well.
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post #403 of 661
1/17/13 at 1:09pm
I just got a replacement switch from Monoprice. In the event that this one doesn't work properly, will I get the exact same sound quality connecting a source directly into the soundbar via HDMI as I would via optical? This would be my next connection option since there is only 1 HDMI input and 1 optical input on this soundbar.
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post #404 of 661
1/18/13 at 5:59am
just had some success with my problem. Had to go to costco where i bought the Samsung products for some help . First I have the following products

Samsung tv 7150
Samsung blu ray bd-em59
Samsung sound bar hw-e450c

my problem was having no sound from blu ray and tv going to sound bar
Here was my fix and it took some time


Cable box hdmi out to tv hdmi 3 in
blu ray hdmi out to bar hdmi in
bar hdmi out to tv hdmi (ARC) in
optical audio out from tv to optical in on bar


Result when i have tv on i put Din selection on fthe bar now tv sound on bar
second when i have blu ray on i select hmdi on the bar and now have blu ray sound on bar

My limited success. However, i must turn off everything separate cable box,dvd,tv, and bar.

Next project limit this headache with the remotes Hope some of this will help others Signed Dr Demon
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post #405 of 661
1/18/13 at 6:21am
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Originally Posted by n9yty View Post

I just discovered that if you use DirecTV and have a RC64X or RC65X remote (model number is in the upper-left corner on the front of the remote) you can control this soundbar. Only these remotes are supported, as they are able to be sent custom codes from the DirecTV receiver, so they get updated information the older remotes don't have. The key is having the X in the model number, I think there are other variations like RC64RX/RC65RX that have RF as well as IR control, but the X is the important bit as the RC64R or RC65R won't work.

On the DirecTV remote select Menu -> Settings & Help -> Settings -> Remote Control

Program the DTV remote for AV1 (or AV2) for an Audio device, pick Samsung, and at this time they only had HW-D450 listed but it worked.

Now in my case, where I am using HDMI-CEC (AnyNet+/Simplink) as well as HDMI-ARC, this is all I wanted to do. I turn on the DirecTV box/TV with the main power-on button on the rremote, flip the remote to AV1 and hit the PWR button to turn on the soundbar then flip the remote back to DirecTV. When I power the TV/DirecTV box off with the remote the soundbar turns off along with them.

However, even in instances where you don't have or want to use HDMI-CEC/ARC, this setup would allow connection of the soundbar via DigitalOptical because you could do the "punch through" or "volume lock" to tell the DirecTV remote that no matter what input you are on the volume controls would control the soundbar.

On the remote hit: Menu -> Settings & Help -> Settings -> Remote Control, and go to "Advanced" and choose "Volume Lock" and choose AV1/2 depending on which you programmed for the Samsung Audio device.

These RC-65X remotes can be had right on eBay for even as little as $6 with free shipping.

So using the HDMI-CEC/ARC setup makes my wife pretty happy because everything works the way it used to with DirecTV and the TV with its internal speakers, and if she wants to kick on the soundbar all she has to do is flip the switch to AV1 on the remote and hit PWR and the LG TV (47LW56000) automatically senses and switches over to the soundbar and the volume controls change the volume.

Just wanted to give you an update since I hooked up my sound bar yesterday.

I have the following components:

LG 55LM7600
DirecTV HD DVR
Samsung HWE450


I programmed the RC65X remote to work my TV and sound bar. I have ARC enabled on my TV and a single HDMI cable from my sound bar to my TV. I am able to turn on my TV, sound bar, and DTV receiver when I press "on" via my DirectTV remote in satellite mode. I do have to switch the DTV remote to AV1 and hit PWR to power off the sound bar seperately from TV/DTV.

Seems like mine is working just the opposite of yours. If I could get it to turn off I would be golden.
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post #406 of 661
1/18/13 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by athenslb57 View Post

I programmed the RC65X remote to work my TV and sound bar. I have ARC enabled on my TV and a single HDMI cable from my sound bar to my TV. I am able to turn on my TV, sound bar, and DTV receiver when I press "on" via my DirectTV remote in satellite mode. I do have to switch the DTV remote to AV1 and hit PWR to power off the sound bar seperately from TV/DTV.
Interesting. smile.gif Must be a difference in how the different LG TV models handle HDMI-CEC/Simplink auto-off. Did you set your soundbar (AV1) as the volume "punch through", or do you have your TV set that way? I have the remote volume tied to the TV and the soundbar volume is adjusted thanks to he HDMI-CEC connection.

Did you turn on AnyNet+ on the soundbar and turn on SImplink on the TV? I have mine set up that way, the HDMI-CEC/Simplink/AnyNet+ is what is turning my soundbar off.
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post #407 of 661
1/23/13 at 8:54am
Need some help here. Been pulling out my hair with this soundbar. Luckily I didn't have too much hair to begin with!
Have a Samsung 2011 model un60d6500 LED 3D TV, a Samsung e450 soundbar and have been trying to hook it up to my TV to have it power on whenever I power on my Satellite dish. I also have an Apple TV and a ps3 connected to my TV. I went from HDMI arc2 on my TV to HDMI out on my sound bar and HDMI in from my sound bar to my bell HD satellite receiver. Also connected an optical cable from the TV to the soundbar. Should the auto on/off feature work? (One or the other?) Anynet is turned on my TV and Soundbar. Also, shouldn't my tv recognize the sound bar when I hit the tools button on my remote and select anynet and search for devices? I keep refreshing the devices but it doesn't recognize it. I spent numerous frustrating phone calls with Samsung. After taking my soundbar to futureshop and testing it on one of their tv's, the auto on off feature was working. Noting they had a Samsung blu ray player hooked up instead of a satellite box. The man told me it should work the same with my set up. After telling Samsung that it worked in store, and after resetting all factory settings, they're sending a repairman to change the motherboard on my TV. I'm a little skeptical cause the repair man called me and asked me about my problem. He didn't even know what Anynet is but said he needs to order a motherboard cause there's no other pieces to change. Would this be correct in theory if my TV doesn't list the soundbar in its anynet device? Also if I turn everything on manually, I get picture and sound through my setup on ARC 2. I've read these forums up and down and read that auto on/off worked for some, and not others but seen it was possible at futureshop with my sound bar. At futureshop, he only had an HDMI cable hooked up, no optical cable.My TV is about 1 year old and this is my 1st time using anynet. Any insight would be great.
Edited by goodborn - 1/23/13 at 9:41am
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post #408 of 661
1/23/13 at 9:06am
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Have a Samsung 2011 model un60d6500 LED 3D TV, a Samsung e450 soundbar and have been trying to hook it up to my TV to have it power on whenever I power on my Satellite dish.
If you read the posts here, the "Auto On" feature seems to work for almost nobody when using AnyNet+ (HDMI-CEC is the non-branded name for it) protocol. On my LG, which calls this feature Simplink, it will turn OFF with the TV but it won't turn on. Having said that, I recall some people saying that if they skipped AnyNet+/HDMI entirely and just used the digital optical port then the Auto-On/Off feature worked for them, but then you may lose the ability to control the volume using your TV volume control.

Unfortunately, many of the things just vary too much from one model of TV to another, even though both the TV and soundbar are made by Samsung.

However, if you have AnyNet+ turned ON in your TV setup, and you also have it enabled on the soundbar, then yes, it should show up as a device in the listing on the TV. If it does not, you might try a different HDMI port or maybe even better a different HDMI cable. Lots of people in this forum have had weird problems resolved by a new HDMI cable.

For the simplest configuration, you might disconnect everything from the TV and just connect the soundbar to it with HDMI, turning AnyNet+ on for both the TV and soundbar, and seeing if they find each other.

Changing the motherboard seems awful extreme, but I suppose it could be a defect in the TV. I have a Panasonic BluRay player that supports AnyNet+/Simplink/HDMI-CEC and that shows up fine on my TV as well as the soundbar. I don't know if any of your other devices support it, but that would be a way to be sure your TV portion of the connection was working.
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post #409 of 661
1/23/13 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by goodborn

Have a Samsung 2011 model un60d6500 LED 3D TV, a Samsung e450 soundbar and have been trying to hook it up to my TV to have it power on whenever I power on my Satellite dish.

To summarize a few zillion posts in this thread, when this soundbar is connected to a Samsung TV via HDMI and Anynet+ is turned on, the soundbar will not power on with the TV. It will power off with the TV. This is the fault of the TV, not the soundbar. Samsung TVs don't support an "auto-on" function. OTOH, if you connect the soundbar to the TV via optical, it will power on with the TV. However, it won't power off with the TV although after about 20 min. of no signal it will power off by itself. That's part of the soundbar design and not controlled by the TV. Some people have tried having both HDMI and optical connections at the same time. A few said they got both power-on and power-off to work. Most said they didn't.

FWIW, some HDTVs, like Panasonic, do support the "auto-on" feature as part of their CEC implementation. This soundbar will power-on when connected to one of those TVs via HDMI.
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post #410 of 661
1/23/13 at 1:36pm
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Should the auto on/off feature work? (One or the other?) Anynet is turned on my TV and Soundbar. Also, shouldn't my tv recognize the sound bar when I hit the tools button on my remote and select anynet and search for devices? I keep refreshing the devices but it doesn't recognize it.

To add to what has already been stated, the soundbar doesn't show up on my list of devices, either. I don't care because all of the AnyNet features work just fine. Not sure if it matters but I have my devices connected to the soundbar first and then to the TV.
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post #411 of 661
1/23/13 at 3:49pm
I'm new here, so I apologize if this has already been addressed. I have a 60" Samsung television (2011 model/Smart TV), and I recently purchased the HW E450 sound bar and subwoofer. Everything works great, except for my Smart Hub apps. I tried to watch Netflix and it switches to another input on the sound bar, causing it to not work. In order for me to make it work, I have to disconnect the optical speaker cable from my Blu Ray player, and move it to my television. There has to be an easier way than having to move optical cables back and forth, depending on whether I'm watching Netflix or Blu Ray, right?

I have HDMI going from my cable box to the sound bar, then from the sound bar to my television. The optical speaker would typically go from my Blu Ray to the sound bar. Is there something I'm missing, or is this something that I have to live with?
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post #412 of 661
1/23/13 at 4:19pm
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Originally Posted by steveh11284 View Post

switches to another input on the sound bar, causing it to not work.

What input is the bar switching to? Do you have ARC enabled on both the TV and soundbar? For a test, just disconnect the optical cable and see if ARC is working.
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post #413 of 661
1/23/13 at 4:39pm
Hi guys sorry for the English I write from Italy
I wanted to buy this soundbar and connect it so?

satellite receiver to tv with hdmi
satellite receiver to soundbar with optical cable
ps3 with hdmi to the soundbar and the tv with hdmi sounbar

the tv is a samsung le45a956d1m not arc and do not use the internal decoder tv
the configuration is ok?
thanks
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post #414 of 661
1/23/13 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by supergenny View Post

Hi guys sorry for the English I write from Italy
I wanted to buy this soundbar and connect it so?

satellite receiver to tv with hdmi
satellite receiver to soundbar with optical cable
ps3 with hdmi to the soundbar and the tv with hdmi sounbar

the tv is a samsung le45a956d1m not arc and do not use the internal decoder tv
the configuration is ok?
thanks

That should work. Your English is fine. smile.gif
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post #415 of 661
1/23/13 at 4:53pm
ok thank you very much
ciao
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post #416 of 661
1/23/13 at 5:01pm
sound good
Edited by supergenny - 1/23/13 at 5:07pm
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post #417 of 661
1/23/13 at 5:01pm
sorry but it works or
should work
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post #418 of 661
1/23/13 at 5:01pm
sorry but it works or
should work
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post #419 of 661
1/23/13 at 5:01pm
but how do you delete the post
Edited by supergenny - 1/23/13 at 5:10pm
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post #420 of 661
1/23/13 at 5:21pm
I just got my samsung soundbar. There is only one connecting cable between the bar (HDMI out) and my LG TV 55LM6700 (HDMI-ARC). No optical cable is used here.

Good news: HDMI-CEC works fine. I can control volume and turn on/off my soundbar with my LG remote. Yes. I can also turn ON my soundbar using my LG remote. However, it takes about 7 sec. for me to hear the sound from the bar after i see pictures on TV. This gap is mainly due to the the long booting time of the soundbar. Seeing most of the people cannot turn on the bar with TV remote, I'm satisfied anyway.

Bad news: ARC doesn't work even though I turned on ARC options(Simplink/Anynet+) on both sides. Additional cable (optical cable) solved the problem and it's just fine! But, just for my curiosity. I read many posts here that replacing the HDMI cable solved most of the ARC-related problems. But I'm using the HDMI cable that was included in the box! I believe this cable should support ARC! Before I get a new HDMI cable, I just want to ask to those who solved the ARC problem by replacing the cable. "Was your old cable included in the box?" That is, I want to know if there is any case that included HDMI cable didn't support ARC function.
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