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post #1 of 37
3/4/12 at 7:05pm
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Hey guys, I had CM9+CM Center+CM1 with Marantz SR7005 to use both for music and HT. I know these are not high end speakers but also not the cheaper ones, so how much money I should spend for the speaker wires. Should I just order from monoprice.com (I plan to order banana plugs from them) or I should buy something with brand and more expensive? THX.
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post #2 of 37
3/4/12 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by fubird View Post

Hey guys, I had CM9+CM Center+CM1 with Marantz SR7005 to use both for music and HT. I know these are not high end speakers but also not the cheaper ones, so how much money I should spend for the speaker wires. Should I just order from monoprice.com (I plan to order banana plugs from them) or I should buy something with brand and more expensive? THX.

I use these: http://www.emotiva.com/shop/cart.php...ct_detail&p=64

More expensive version (can't speak for sound differences, probably none): http://www.emotiva.com/shop/cart.php...ct_detail&p=66

Speaker wire is speaker wire, no exceptions.
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post #3 of 37
3/4/12 at 7:17pm
Your speakers were expensive enough. Save where you can. I bought a pair of those nice X-Series cables from Emotiva, really nice, 10G and use them on my fronts.

Then I wised up and bought a 100ft roll of 12g from Monoprice, termination kits from Emotiva and some cable covers and made my own. I ended up with cables almost as nice as the Emos and paid waaaaaaaaay less.
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post #4 of 37
3/4/12 at 10:58pm
I would get the Monoprice cables, but get the Emotiva Termination Kit. The Monoprice banana plugs tend to loosen up over time. Other options for banana plugs are Nakamichi, GLS, and Monster.
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post #5 of 37
3/4/12 at 11:12pm
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Originally Posted by fubird View Post

Hey guys, I had CM9+CM Center+CM1 with Marantz SR7005 to use both for music and HT. I know these are not high end speakers but also not the cheaper ones, so how much money I should spend for the speaker wires. Should I just order from monoprice.com (I plan to order banana plugs from them) or I should buy something with brand and more expensive? THX.

Why didn't you go for the cmc2 center? Much better reviews and more of a match to your mains.
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post #6 of 37
3/5/12 at 4:42am
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Originally Posted by fubird View Post

... I had CM9+CM Center+CM1 with Marantz SR7005 ... how much money I should spend for the speaker wires. Should I just order from monoprice.com ... or I should buy something with brand and more expensive?

Congrats on your new speakers. Monoprice speaker wire will work just fine.
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post #7 of 37
3/5/12 at 7:12am
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Thank you for all of you. I think I will buy the Emotiva Termination Kit with monoprice wires.Should I pickup regular version or in-wall version though I will not wire them in wall.
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post #8 of 37
3/5/12 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by CaTaSTrOphiK View Post

Why didn't you go for the cmc2 center? Much better reviews and more of a match to your mains.

I do much much more music than HT. Although I watch and listen to a lot of BD concerts/shows and SACDs. I think center channel is not that important to me, so to the subwoofer.
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post #9 of 37
3/5/12 at 8:13am
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Thank you for all of you. I think I will buy the Emotiva Termination Kit with monoprice wires.Should I pickup regular version or in-wall version though I will not wire them in wall.

I got the inwall version for the jacket covering. That way I had something to cover. In fact, I got the 12/4 because I have two sets of binding posts on my speakers. Here's a couple of finished pictures.




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post #10 of 37
3/5/12 at 9:25am
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it looks awsome. Where can I buy the cable covers you got?
PS: You use bi-amp setup, now I'm interested to know what amp you use?
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post #11 of 37
3/5/12 at 9:49am
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it looks awsome. Where can I buy the cable covers you got?

It looks like 'TechFlex', which comes in a range of sizes and colors.
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post #12 of 37
3/5/12 at 9:52am
Bi-amp. Using two amps per speaker. Put lots of power to the speaker.
Bi-wire. Using one amp but spliting the wire. Sending one to the HF and one to the LF part of the crossover. None effective.
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post #13 of 37
3/5/12 at 11:08am
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Originally Posted by fubird View Post

it looks awsome. Where can I buy the cable covers you got?
PS: You use bi-amp setup, now I'm interested to know what amp you use?

Thanks. I use Emotiva amps, a 3ch and 2ch. But my speakers are bi-wired. And as the previous two posters stated; It is techflex that I'm covering my cables with, and as far as the "effectiveness" of bi-wiring, I prefer my method to the stock jumpers that come with the speakers. So instead of sending a transfer of copper to gold plated to gold plated, it's reduced to copper to gold plated X 2.

The techflex comes in many different colors and shapes. You can learn a lot about making your own cables on this thread here; http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1301573
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post #14 of 37
3/5/12 at 12:09pm
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Thanks. I use Emotiva amps, a 3ch and 2ch. But my speakers are bi-wired. And as the previous two posters stated; It is techflex that I'm covering my cables with, and as far as the "effectiveness" of bi-wiring, I prefer my method to the stock jumpers that come with the speakers. So instead of sending a transfer of copper to gold plated to gold plated, it's reduced to copper to gold plated X 2.

The techflex comes in many different colors and shapes. You can learn a lot about making your own cables on this thread here; http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1301573

Thanks Geo, last question, what size of sleeve I should use for 12AWG wires.1/8,1/4,1/2?
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post #15 of 37
3/5/12 at 12:19pm
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it looks awsome. Where can I buy the cable covers you got?

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..........what size of sleeve I should use for 12AWG wires.1/8,1/4,1/2?

You may want to see THIS thread.



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But my speakers are bi-wired........

.............I prefer my method to the stock jumpers that come with the speakers.

But this isn't biwiring and these jumpers don't provide any benefit over the stock jumpers. Especially not an audible benefit.







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Bi-amp. Using two amps per speaker. Put lots of power to the speaker.

No, it doesn't. The increase in power to the speaker when passively biamping is minimal.
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post #16 of 37
3/5/12 at 12:26pm
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You may want to see THIS thread.



But this isn't biwiring and these jumpers don't provide any benefit over the stock jumpers. Especially not an audible benefit.



But it sure looks Money



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post #17 of 37
3/5/12 at 12:34pm
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But it sure looks Money

Does red = sarcasm?
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post #18 of 37
3/5/12 at 12:42pm
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But it sure looks Money




But is it a good idea to mix colors that way?
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post #19 of 37
3/5/12 at 2:37pm
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Thanks Geo, last question, what size of sleeve I should use for 12AWG wires.1/8,1/4,1/2?

For 2 conductor wire, the 1/2 should work fine, I used 3/8 for my 12/4.

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But this isn't biwiring and these jumpers don't provide any benefit over the stock jumpers. Especially not an audible benefit.


My humblest apologies. Please let me rephrase my statement; I've bi-wired my center and surrounds, and have made home made jumpers for my mains.

The spades didn't work out very well at all, so I removed the spades and did bare wire under the bottom set of terminals.

Thanks to those that like the look, and for those that don't, it's a good thing it isn't your system
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post #20 of 37
3/5/12 at 2:47pm
These: http://www.amazon.com/AudioQuest-K2-...0987581&sr=8-1
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post #21 of 37
3/5/12 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

You may want to see THIS thread.



But this isn't biwiring and these jumpers don't provide any benefit over the stock jumpers. Especially not an audible benefit.







No, it doesn't. The increase in power to the speaker when passively biamping is minimal.

ACTIVE Bi-amping! Hooking up two 100 watt amps to one speaker will net 200 watts to the speaker. 100 watts to a tweeter and 100 watts to a mid/bass. Read what I posted earlier. As for the effect, a roughly 3 dB increase in noise.
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post #22 of 37
3/5/12 at 3:32pm
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ACTIVE Bi-amping! Hooking up two 100 watt amps to one speaker will net 200 watts to the speaker. 100 watts to a tweeter and 100 watts to a mid/bass. Read what I posted earlier. As for the effect, a roughly 3 dB increase in noise.

The only thing you posted in this thread was:
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Bi-amp. Using two amps per speaker. Put lots of power to the speaker.
Bi-wire. Using one amp but spliting the wire. Sending one to the HF and one to the LF part of the crossover. None effective.

Are you describing connecting the 2 amps to the upper and lower binding posts on a biwireable/biampable speaker like the ones pictured in this thread? If so, that is 'passive biamping' and it does not double the power driving the speaker. Nowhere near that.

And even with an active biamping setup with 100 watts driving the woofer, no one would drive their tweeter with a full 100 watts.
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post #23 of 37
3/5/12 at 9:50pm
What Geoff is doing is bi-wiring (kind of). Bi-amping, exactly like I described, is using two separate amps per speaker. I was using 100 watts as a example. Has anyone done this? Probably.
Personally, I don't see the need for either one but, to each there own.
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post #24 of 37
3/5/12 at 10:10pm
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Bi-amping, exactly like I described, is using two separate amps per speaker.

And you mean just connecting each amp to the two separate pairs of binding posts on the speaker, right? That's 'passive biamping' and, in your example, it doesn't send 200watts (100+100) to the speaker. Nowhere near that. The speaker's crossover's high section reduces the amount of power that reaches the tweeter, considerably. In your example, you are probably getting something more like 110watts to the speaker. The tweeter might get 10watts relative to the woofer getting 100watts.
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post #25 of 37
3/5/12 at 10:31pm
If crossovers truly do that, I stand corrected. But yes. one amp for the two upper posts and one for the two bottom posts.
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post #26 of 37
3/5/12 at 10:33pm
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Does red = sarcasm?

Are you guys still arguing? I love when someone just has to be right, to the death.

Why doesn't someone give me some more crap about my speaker cables?
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post #27 of 37
3/5/12 at 10:38pm
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If crossovers truly do that, I stand corrected. But yes. one amp for the two upper posts and one for the two bottom posts.

Yep, that's one thing that a crossover does.
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post #28 of 37
3/5/12 at 10:41pm
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Originally Posted by Geoff4RFC View Post

Are you guys still arguing? I love when someone just has to be right, to the death.

My goal isn't being right. My hope is that someone might learn something.

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Why doesn't someone give me some more crap about my speaker cables?

Your cables give me a boner.
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post #29 of 37
3/5/12 at 11:06pm
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Your cables give me a boner.

Thank you, your sarcasm is duly noted.
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post #30 of 37
3/5/12 at 11:22pm
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Thank you, your sarcasm is duly noted.

sarcasm?
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