Capcom does it again. 12 charcter DLC already on disc of Street fighter vs Tekken - Page 3

- You're right, I haven't played this game, but the super gems and all the other shenanigans that seem to be prevalent doesn't make me want to run out and purchase the game right away either. More than likely, I'll wait for a price drop before buying it.


- I've been playing fighting games since the original Street Fighter (with pressure sensitive buttons) in the arcade, so I do have a little idea about what fighting games are like.

Fine, but it sounds like your problem isn't with the DLC but with the game itself. And, honestly, I think that's what most people in here are complaining about: they don't want to buy the game, but they're trying to sound all high and mighty about that decision by couching it in some misplaced sense of "consumer activism."

- While I'm not fond of the idea of paying to unlock content on a disc, I do think that $60 is more than reasonable for video games. I paid $70 for Street Fighter II in 1992 for the SNES only to buy Street Fighter II Turbo for about the same price only a year later. But the main difference is that games this generation seem to drop to $40 within 1-2 months, so if it's not a must buy, I can wait.

Can you tell that I'm a fighting game fan?
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Yeah, and that seems like the right choice with this one. The online is so janky right now that waiting for a patch or two would be wise.


Okay. You're my new BFF. That is the sweetest (as in both the coolest and the most darling) videogame-related picture I've seen in a long time. Well done. All is forgiven.

Kotaku.com

^^^ Dead horse beaten.

And after all the recent ridiculousness with Kotaku and those fake GTA pics (and the subsequent nastiness from one of Kotaku's writers), the site's on my s-list. Not a fan.

Yep. Games like COD MW3, Batman Arkham City, Rayman Origins, Uncharted, are already easily found for $40 or less online and are only, what, 3-4 months old?

Another reason that I think that this will be more prevalent is the used game market. Developers don't make a dime when games are on the secondary market. They do have a chance of making a profit when the used game buyer has a reason to buy DLC, whether it be costumes or additional characters.

Are there published figures ($ or %) of what the used game market truly means? It's touted in forums like this as an important factor to developers. I suspect however that it has a much smaller impact to their bottom line than many make it out to be.

Excellent point.

- I have no idea what the actual figures are, but the used market has to be quite significant given what the values for used games are. It's not the fact that used games are directly affecting the bottom line, it's that they don't get any type of profit on the secondary market. With DLC, they can at least make some profit. It's the same reason that EA is selling online passes.

I don't buy used games since I'd rather wait for a price drop, but I have sold or traded in a lot of games since I rarely play non-fighting games again after my initial playthrough.

No published figures. Analysts estimate it adds about a quarter to a third of what new retail figures are. Then when you add in Online Passes and DLC for those used games, you're looking at probably about a third of that used sales figure. Most estimates of total revenue for the industry figure that new game sales constitute about half of all total revenue, while everything else (used, DLC, downloadable) make up the other half.

What this means is that used game sales are a convenient boogeyman for console game publishers, but (much like the film industry) the real culprits for decreased revenue (and profits) are more likely things like increased production costs and a radical shift in the market. Used game sales are just an easy target, but they're not the real problem. People play games differently than they did five years ago, and production costs have risen astronomically. Meanwhile a huge new market has opened up that lets small developers make massively profitable games for relatively little money (and with little to no major publisher involvement).

So, yes, companies like Capcom are going crazy right now with DLC, but IMO they're fighting this battle the wrong way. Start selling retail games cheaper first, then start flooding the market with microtransactions, DLC, subscriptions, etc. Unfortunately, the big publishers are still dinosaurs and are unwilling to adapt quickly. It could mean the inevitable doom of the AAA market.

Related news. The recent hubbub over a similar issue with Mass Effect 3 shows that the real problem isn't whether or not content is already "on the disc." The real issue is whether or not completed content should be included in the retail release at no extra charge, and whether developers and publishers are being honest with their customers about it:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain...lc-from-ashes/
I disagree with the whole "punishing fans" thing. But I think this piece does a better job of getting at the heart of what's actually wrong here, instead of just lambasting publishers for including DLC on disc. Seriously, publishers, just charge us more for our games and be done with all this nonsense!

The funny thing about the Mass Effect story is that a lot of the files ARE actually on the disc, despite the 600 MB DLC download.

I'm still disappointed by the online experience and what I perceive to be complete nerfs of Cammy and Ibuki. People argue that it's a new game, I don't see Ken and Ryu players needing to relearn their characters from the ground up.

The simple inputs or quick combos don't bother me because they use meter. Also, you need an opening for a quick combo to work. I don't even want to bother using them.

Yeah, those combos are so easy to get the "natural" way that it's just not worth it. I feel like there should be a greater benefit to using those, and it always feels like the other player(s) can see that I'm being lame because there's a big visual signal that you've used the quick combo.

Still too early to make too many conclusions about balancing. IMO every character has been nerfed. Many people are still getting regular timeouts, so folks are clearly having a hard time figuring out how to get characters doing real damage.

As far as matchups, luckily, I've found that most people are having fun experimenting with character combinations, so I'm not seeing a lot of lame Ken/Ryu teams. I'm still looking for a combo that works great for me. I'm still using Juri like I did in SSF4, but hunting for a partner is fun. Law has been a fun pairing.