Originally Posted by arnyk
? Have you obtained a clone, Amir? Or, do you have a situation with MPD that you are hiding from us? ;-)
No, I am just wondering why I have to keep repeating the same quotes over and over again:"The Loudness War is Over
Feb 8, 2011 2:22 PM, By Greg Reierson
Making loud CDs will become just a bad memory.
I was at the AES show in San Francisco last November and I came back with renewed hope for the future of the music industry—not just from a business perspective, but from a recording-quality perspective as well. Besides the usual discussions about gear and recording techniques, there was a lot of talk about high resolution digital downloads surpassing CDs as the dominant delivery format within the next few years. Optimism is growing as more and more engineers are seeing a way to finally get past the loudness war.
Greg Reierson is the owner/chief engineer at Rare Form Mastering in Minneapolis. Visit him at www.rareformmastering.com. "
The "we" is Greg and all the others he mentions in the above report.
Are you getting tired of fighting all of these battles all by yourself, so you've invented a group of imaginary friends to help you? ;-)
You have your herd of people who want to dumb down audio, I have my group above who strive for excellence.
Except for that little peoblem with actually sounding better which it doesn't, all other things being equal.
All things are not equal. How many times must we repeat this same dance Arny? You do not have the choice of how you get your 16/44.1. It always comes with a ton of gravy whether it is fish or beef. The only way you get back your choice is to get the copy before the gravy was put on it. Then you can choose how you want to consume it. How hard is is to to accept and understand this simple logic and not keep imagining consumer offers which don't exist?
Actual sound quality doesn't matter according to you, right Amir? If one MP3 song is 0.0003 dB louder than another, it was made by a better coder according to you, right?
No. You have lost the plot Arny. Jpco put up visuals from Audacity that showed clipping. That display is not an indication of "better" or worse but rather, simply what the level is. I wanted to rule out variables such as decoder differences.
I did share however that we had to reduce our S/N ratio *using our critical test vectors* by some 15 db from ideal to get some of our WMA implementations to pass our certification. So if you think the difference between decoders is just .0003 db, you show that you don't understand this field. Remember, if you know the algorithm, you can create test vectors that zoom in on true differences. Random music clips don't necessarily show such problems. And at any rate, as I have repeatedly shown, even in that test, there was a statement that some decoders showed completely different outputs, not just off by one sample.
You are not going let go of this rat hole, are you Arny?