I've been very pleased with my LFM1-EXs and FTW21s. My outlaws provided a tactile shake that my eD A7S-450s could not in the same position. In fact, I even moved 1 of my FTW21s right behind my seating to see if I could recreate the shake that my ported Outlaws provided, and it was even close; the outlaws shook the couch more. I never understood why that is...but in my room, ported behind the couch provided a tactile shake that sealed could not.
A while ago, a local AVS member came over to demo my new setup. Here was his post:
I stopped over at dom's house this weekend for a proper demo of his latest system. On the 30 minute ride over to his house, I smiled to myself thinking about his first sub the A2-300 and his favorite demo scene from Hulk...I wondered if even he knew where his sub journey was heading after the A2-300 made a bad noise during a demanding scene from the movie. The journey is where all the fun is and the destination can have a sense of sadness that the journey is over...
The sub destination that dom has arrived at is truly the best his system has ever sounded and is the best I have ever heard since starting this hobby in 1990. The BHD scene quoted above is the first time that I have felt the impact of the 7Hz note. On top of that, the rest of the sound field was equally as impressive with a constant slam to the chest. On all of the demos, the weight in the room was so impressive, the slam in the chest, the energy in the sofa and the ease at which his system reproduced all of it at reference level.....in a word - STUNNING.
Every demo scene was new to me....mind you; I have listened to some of these scenes at least 100 times over the years in my room and his. All of the usual words come to mind - clean, effortless, dynamic, impactful.....WOTW is as immersive as I have ever heard it and years later is still the king of demos (IMHO) on a system like this. Sound Quality is off the charts, I finally have an appreciation of it after this demo. My good friend, you should be very, very proud in what you have created. A TOTAL masterpiece. Your sub journey might be over....it certainly is over for the short term...I can't imagine another system sounding "better". I guess another system can sound louder but your space can't be "improved".
If you are within driving distance to dom, please do yourself a favor and request a demo. I am very excited at the moment as my sub journey is cranking back up again....dom has showed me what is possible and I can't wait to do the same upgrade in my system!
Very kind words! And I was in agreement with him...I thought I had reached my own personal subwoofage Nirvana. Until...I started noticing some port chuffing at very loud volumes with the Outlaws when ran in max extension mode. If I ran it in max output mode, the port chuffing would go away, but so would the extra shaking the max extension mode provided. Granted, it was only noticeable on literally a handful of less than 30 second scenes...but still always annoyed me a bit. I then started thinking about what ported sub I could get that would eliminate the port chuffing, but still provide me the extension.
It was downs to 2 subs: a passive Cap or the FV15HP. Since output is NOT an issue in my room with the dual 21in subs, I went with extension. The FV15HP extends down to 14hz anechoic with 1 port plug. Additionally, my hope was in my room I could extend the FV15HP to 10hz or less. The Outlaws extended to 12-13hz and they are tuned to 16hz. My decision to get the FV15HP was accelerated as a (by chance) found a buyer for the Outlaws. And so, I welcomed an FV15HP to my HT:
I removed the dual Outlaw LFM1-EXs, and place directly behind the main LP:
I was taking a big chance here in my mind, because I wasn't sure that the Rythmik would sound as good or provide me the tactile feeling that I knew the outlaws did!
Well, it paid off!
It took me a very long time to integrate in with the FTW21s. I'd say a good 6 hours over a couple of days. Getting ported and sealed to play nice together is always difficult, but this one was even more difficult. During those 6 hours, I had many a curve that looked fairly decent, but didn't sound nearly as good as my Outlaws. You can imagine what was going through my mind at that point. I finally got the curve that I wanted:
Where I thought I had great sound quality, awesome tactile feeling, and headroom with my Outlaws...the Rythmik is MUCH better at all three! My jaw literally dropped at the difference in all those categories! As far as SQ goes, the biggest difference is that the rythmik stops on a dime compared to the outlaws! During the hulk scene where Banner turns into the hulk the first time at the college campus; he busts out of the hallway bridge and lands on the ground. I always thought that scene was stressed with the outlaws. With the FV15HP, when the hulk hits the ground, there is no reverb...just a quick loud thump and it just STOPS. WOTW pod emergence, hulk cop crash car, all sounded like everything stopped on a dime. It was pretty unbelievable.
Additionally, where I thought I had headroom before, I have it in SPADES with the Rythmik. It never sounds stressed at all (although I still get brief port chuffing at reference on some scenes)....my best description of my new found headroom is that it actually sounds quieter than it should and feels like it should be turned up more!!!
But the biggest difference between the outlaws and the FV15HP is the tactile feeling. I takes me a lot to wince...but that is what I did after running each demo scene (WOTW, HTTYD, Hulk, Iron Man, FOTP, BHD, Percy Jackson, etc.) at reference! It feels like my subs are attacking your body...chest pounding, body shaking, wobbling bass! It's truly brutal. Another scene that stands out is the sound cannon scene in the Hulk; it is much more more textured now; there are bass waves I had never heard of felt before...that scene is truly a different experience now.
To put things in perspective (for those that run transducers), I run Clark Synthesis transducers for my outer seats (my outer seats don't get the shake like my middle seat does). I try and match the shake of the middle seat by adjusting the gain of the transducers on my outer seats. With the outlaws, they were just slightly turned up to match the middle seat. With the FV15HP, I had to turn the transducers all the way up to match the middle seat!!! In fact, the transducers could not match the shake of the middle seat as I blew both transducers when listening at reference!!!
As I said before, I'm not sure of the physics as to why ported shake more than sealed in my room...but if you have an option to have a nearfield sub, it's WELL worth it.