Originally Posted by kma100
Thanks for all the great feedback. What I was initially trying to do, was developing a checklist (independent of my specifics). Something like:
1) Move speakers out x" from walls
2) Play music
3) Toe in speakers
4) Add in treatments
7) Run Audyssey (or some other EQ)
Maybe it doesn't work that way, but a known sequence of events if followed, it might be easier to make sure I can "optimize" the system in a logical way. I am not a big believer of tweaks, speaker wire upgrade or changing out electronics. Speaker and room interaction are the biggest factors (as far as I can see).
Does that make sense?
Is there such a sequence? I am going to look at some of the links posted earlier (thanks for those).
Unfortunately it's going to be impossible for any of us to say where your speakers should be in your room to get the "best" results ("best" is different for everyone
That said, the are some general guidelines that can be helpful in getting you started. However, in the end you are just going to have to experiment to see what you like best in your room. In my case the "rules" didn't work for me, so I kept tweaking until I was happy with the result (like you, my room/furniture arrangement posed restrictions on speaker placement).
Generally speaking, placing them away from walls is a good thing for imaging. Bass generally will be stronger the closer they are to the wall behind them (if you are running them full range). The trick is to find a happy medium.
Concerning spacing and toe in, generally, spacing will affect soundstage width and toe in will affect imaging.
The suggestion to start with an equilateral triangle is a good one. If the soundstage is too wide (hole in the middle?), then place them closer together. If soundstage is too narrow, then spread them apart further keeping in mind that getting too close to the side walls can have a negative impact on imaging. Once you're satisfied with soundstage width, then play with toe in to tweak the imaging. The two can interact a bit, so you may have to keep tweaking spacing and toe in a bit to find the best spot for you.
In my case I ended up with the speakers farther apart than the distance to the listening position and toed in directly at the listening position. The distance from the front of the speakers to the wall behind them ended up at about 27" (about as far out as I could place them). I also tried to keep them 4+ ft. from the side walls.
I know many here have given some very specific recommendations. If they work for you, great. But chances are you will have to come up with your own solution since every room and setup is different.
Concerning EQ, Audyssey, etc., IMO, these things should be used AFTER you find the best placement you can.
I have no experience with room treatments, so I'll leave that subject to the "experts".
Hope something in here helped.