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Originally Posted by noah katz

I don't remember if it's in this or the other Darby thread in the >$20k forum, but some have and had positive reactions.
In any case you've expressed your opinion enough times already, and to do so any more at this point is a waste of everyone's time.


"In which way, do you only want to here positive comments or a more balanced approach"







Problem is you keep saying the same thing over and over and over, and condescendingly come off as if you are the only person here with any kind of "reasonable" purist approach to state of the art video display. To save all of us actually using and experiencing the technology over extended periods of time. Unlike you who "liked" it until you got slapped down by someone els's "opinion". Weak much? And ignore all of the thoughtful and accurate responses you've already gotten from people who know a lot more about this than you do....trust all of us. You address none of what has been said in the comparison of similar effect, for instance, in upgrading a current projector to a better projector with better optics. OMG the poor abused directors' "intentions"..........
Edited by RonF - 7/25/12 at 10:36am

Just read a great review on the Darblet. I'm thinking I may need to get me one. I see AVS is sold out. Any idea when you guys will be getting them back in?

Here's the review for those interested; http://darbeevision.com/assets/documents/Darblet_Review_Gary_Reber_July_Aug_2012.pdf

White Paper

http://www.chromapure.co.uk/files/DarbeeVision%20Whitepaper%20with%20Tech%20Details%2020120415.pdf

Patent

http://www.google.com/patents/US7995835?printsec=description#v=onepage&q&f=false

The patent gives details in terms of Adobe photoshop of what it does with the image blurring and subtracting, so reducing the contrast of low spatial frequency detail, resulting in the eyes/brain focusing more on the high spatial frequency detail, the fine detail.
How the image to be blurred and subtracted is generated is a trade secret according to the white paper, this image it is claimed mimics the effect of being part of a stereo pair, so defocusing and subtracting emphasizes depth cues kind of like highlighting one side and blurring drop shadow effect the other side of a object.
Edited by dovercat - 7/25/12 at 11:26am

I think everyone here is open to what you have to say but not multiple times with no new evidence. IIUC, you tried it, like it, but got talked out of it by reading some testimonial from an expert. Either you are unsure of what you should like or you're trusting this expert way too far. In my mind it's really quite simple....either you like it or not. I don't see confusing the issue with some arcane reference to directors intent. Surely no director is going to object to viewing his film on any sort of display device but some will reproduce the film much more accurately and pleasingly than other devices. One doesn't alter the directors intent by watching it with uncorrected 20/30 vision or corrected 20/20 vision.You say it add things....what does it add? Sure, it changes the data, how could it not? It doesn't change color balance or greyscale, Tom Huffman (of Chromapure) posted before and after Darbee data which shows that it does not alter color. It is changing some pixel level data or it would not be capable of doing anything. But it is not changing the intent of that data.....merely one's perception of it. A mountain ravine still looks like a mountain ravine, only sharper and with the illusion of increased depth.

I read your thread within your website forum.

First, you and the guys have a terrific site. I enjoyed the atmosphere of the site and the members seem like terrific folks=a fine community.

I don't know if you had some additional time with your Darbee demo, but it would seem you never had an opportunity to put it through it paces. From your review you only had a chance to demo it with your DVR. You talked about not being able to use the Darbee with your blu ray or dvd player. That being said, I would say that you've not had a true opportunity to demo the unit. Wouldn't you agree?

Seems that what a creator (director) sees and what we as an audience eventually see is bound to be very different. It's more than the eyes, but the brain and how it "colors" what it sees in the real world, and the medium's effect on the results. I can't imagine anyone arguing that what we hear in a live environment can ever be closely captured in the home venue. Similarly getting 3D to be "real" is not even close. And what I listen for as a non-musician will likely not equate to a performer or conductor no matter the venue.

It's all an illusion, no matter where we "sit" in the scheme of things. But if it seems "right" or more "real" then it may come closer to some "truth". I remember when engineers in audio claimed that if they couldn't measure it, it wasn't real. Over time what people perceived as weaknesses in digital vs. analog turned out to be problems in execution that were ultimately measurable (phase jitter or other oddities). The eye/brain, and even more the ear/brain, detection mechanism is still a bit of a mystery.

I'm just happy the work done 40 years ago has allowed the technology to catch up and afford us the possiblity of getting closer to what we see in the real world, even if it's just a 2D window.

I highly doubt a moderator from AVS is attacking you on the AVForum UK site. Believe me when I say we as moderators at AVS have enough on our plate than to grind an ax on another HT hobbyist website.

I posted the actual review a few posts up with the question of when will AVScience get them back in stock?

This Friday. 27 July. They will be getting 100 units in and over 50 are already spoken for...

Thanks. Looks like they're going fast. I read there's a new firmware for the Darblet. I take it this batch will have it?

One question, in the review he says, "The image processing is 1080p, 60 frames per second, in real time." Blu-ray is 1080/24. Would you turn off the Darbee then?

That is the max capability of the Darblet. 1080/24 works fine.

As I was reading the PDF I was thinking the same thing.

Take a look on a large front projection image as well, if you get a chance. From what I understand the improvements are more noteworthy on a large scale, and most of us who are excited about this device on this forum are using front projectors.

Was there any mention of price?

Correct. Confirmed when I ordered mine last Friday.

Wives cook?

How does the Darbee look after processing perfectly sharp computer text, like the screen you are looking at now? (even Windows has several 3D shadow and clear type effects)
Is it convent to use? Or is it one more box that needs to be switched on/off?

Does the Darbee assist in correcting errors in the reproduction chain and in the observer vision acuity?
Does the optimal setting vary by distance?
Would each person want to adjust it to their own (and different) preference?


Does is help out static images of three chip LCoS projectors more than single chip DLP with excellent optics? Is resolution improved or degraded?
Does it help projectors with typical convergence errors more so than say a flat panel with almost perfect convergence?
Does it improve or degrade motion resolution both subjectively and objectively?

Do 3D films need more 3D?

Lastly I've noticed the AMD 7.6 video drivers have improved realism and fidelity that I'm trying to account for. Are Darbee's contagious?
Thanks!

Not quite correct. Darbeevision is shipping to dealers on the 27th. There is a latency associated in part with the transit time once shipped. This is neither measured in micro seconds nor milli seconds but is metricized into multiple days. We will ship them to you within hours of receipt. What this means is that most of you won't receive one until early in the second week of August.
Edited by AV Science Sales 4 - 7/26/12 at 2:52pm

The price of the Darblet is $269 and from AV Science that price includes ground shipping to the lower 48. You can not order from our click and buy site until we have them in stock. However, if you call Mike,Jason, or me you can place your order now, not get charged until AV Science ships to you, and be assured you get shipped one as soon as they hit our receiving dock in Rochester, NY. We have orders from you for many many but have enough arriving to guarantee shipment for any additional orders in the immediate future. Orders continue to pour in and we will attempt to stay ahead of the curve. It is all our pleasure to talk with you when you call in. We all look forward to talking with you real soon and I personally want to thank all who have already ordered and hope you enjoy the Darblet as much as I do.

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Mine I wish!

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