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post #151 of 6115
5/15/12 at 4:31pm
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Remote is IR
http://darbeevision.com/assets/docum...020120426a.pdf

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post #152 of 6115
5/15/12 at 4:57pm
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It shows out of stock for AVS. Any idea when they will be back in?

They should get new stock by the end of next week.
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post #153 of 6115
5/15/12 at 7:52pm
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This was posted a couple pages back by UMR same day 3 hours later last Monday after he touched up my RS50 on a 2.8 HP screen and spending an hour straight with the Darblet remote and JVC remote, comparing what DVP could do vs the lesser quality effect of the Detail and Sharpness controls of the projector. He actually said a considerable amount of very positive things about it beyond even what's in his brief write up while working on the road. He also said he would be buying one.

And understand he is talking only 5/10/15 setting on Hi Def with some of his reference BR discs. There is so much more here in other types of viewing and material as well beyond his very conservative approach with Bluray movies.

High end commercials I'm noticing now on sports telecasts are a "trip" sometimes with the aggressive settings in Full Pop I'm usually running with those if the signal is clean.



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I just worked on a system with one of these today. I think many would find it to be a valuable product to use.

My observations are here. http://homecinemaguru.com/?p=1909
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Whoa...I missed that. Thank you.
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post #154 of 6115
5/15/12 at 8:01pm
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Darblet DarbeeVision Review done. Go to my homepage (click on my name to the left then click on my Homepage) to check it out.

Nice review, Joe! Thanks for taking the time to post your impressions.
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post #155 of 6115
5/15/12 at 11:33pm
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Nice review, Joe! Thanks for taking the time to post your impressions.

Your welcome. And thanks for letting me use your two excellent screen shots.
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post #156 of 6115
5/16/12 at 1:11am
I'm using the DVDO Edge scaler.
Would adding this unit make any sense for me?
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post #157 of 6115
5/16/12 at 4:54am
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I'm curious about that too Jason. Wow I just came in from theater to say how daylight Baseball looks made for high settings on Full Pop. The view from centerfield camera behind pitcher to home plate is always a great camera and that view from Dodgers / Rockies today at Dodger Stadium is awesome at 120 on Full Pop. Night baseball games are generally bright too. This is made for football the one NFL playoff game I had from 2011 and got to see with DVP before Tivo deleted it on me after specifically saying save.

I'll get together with Gotcha if he doesn't have a Darbee unit yet and is thinking about it and wants to see it with e-shift on his RS55. I think he is pretty close to me. I haven't even seen a 55 yet.

But Mike at AVS said Alan is running the 4K Barco (guessing upconverted?) with the Darblet and just took it from Mark. Perks of being owner.....

He didn't just take it. Seriously, I am on the road until next Weds and couldn't use it myself until then anyway. I will have one in my HT again by that time.

The Darblet makes a small but noticeable improvement to one's PQ regardless of what video processor one might be using. It is not something one needs but for those who want the best PQ they can afford, adding a Darblet to their system is indicated. Not doing so would be contraindicated.
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post #158 of 6115
5/16/12 at 4:56am
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I'm using the DVDO Edge scaler.
Would adding this unit make any sense for me?

Just posted my Review and I am getting excellent results using it after the Edge. Quite honestly if I had to choose one or the other I'd go with the Darblet.
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post #159 of 6115
5/16/12 at 5:03am
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Just posted my Review and I am getting excellent results using it after the Edge. Quite honestly if I had to choose one or the other I'd go with the Darblet.

For some reason I don't see a clickable link for your Darbee review on your Homepage - am I missing something?
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post #160 of 6115
5/16/12 at 5:26am
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Originally Posted by wmassie View Post

For some reason I don't see a clickable link for your Darbee review on your Homepage - am I missing something?

Off to the Right under the picture of the Darblet. near top of page.
Click on Read Review Now.
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post #161 of 6115
5/16/12 at 6:21am
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Off to the Right under the picture of the Darblet. near top of page.
Click on Read Review Now.

Do you think a plasma panel would benefit from the Darblet? I do watch a lot of football from a cable source. It's a 65" VT50
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post #162 of 6115
5/16/12 at 6:25am
Yay - finally got my second Darblet yesterday. Seems they were shipped separately and FedEx went the slowest I've ever seen, took a week!!

Lol, well I will check to make sure they are the same versions tonight, then post some information specific to two areas:

1) Does the Darblet help the 3D-Bee do a better job with depth perception if placed in front of the Bee

2) How does the dual projector 3D system look with a Darbee in front of each one? (this will probably be their permanent home)
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post #163 of 6115
5/16/12 at 6:49am
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Do you think a plasma panel would benefit from the Darblet? I do watch a lot of football from a cable source. It's a 65" VT50

Definitely. Especially with football.
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post #164 of 6115
5/16/12 at 7:17am
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Definitely. Especially with football.

Thanks. I'll probably get one.
Another question. Do you think that it will make the noise worse on channels like CBS who on my provider has a poor signal with a lot of artifacts?
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post #165 of 6115
5/16/12 at 8:20am
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Thanks. I'll probably get one.
Another question. Do you think that it will make the noise worse on channels like CBS who on my provider has a poor signal with a lot of artifacts?

My CBS has been good but I use my Mosquito Noise Reduction on my Edge VP or my 3009 (depending what I have hooked up). The Darnlet does not hinder the image in any way unless you go nuts with the percentage.
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post #166 of 6115
5/16/12 at 8:55am
I do the same thing if noisy on the TV channel I'm on from Charter Cable....use the good noise reduction from my processor / switcher a Denon DVP-602ci to feed the Darblet. Which is last in the chain.

At least from my provider TNT has been garbage for basketball this year, seemingly bit starved with a lot of block artifacting. In years past much better with them. Conversely up until about 15 months ago ESPN / ABC for me really had a lot of stuff going on but then they really improved it.
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post #167 of 6115
5/16/12 at 10:17am
I'm intrigued by this product.

Has anyone noticed any video processing issues introduced in terms of lip-sync problems?
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post #168 of 6115
5/16/12 at 11:24am
One question before I order: is there any added delay when changing channels?
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post #169 of 6115
5/16/12 at 1:20pm
The description (and photos) of the Darbee effects look very similar to the "MPC" setting effects on the JVC E-shift projectors (I have one, the JVC RS55). An increasing of fine-detail contrast that adds clarity and pop to the image as you dial it up.

I was going to ask if anyone with an E-shift JVC projector had tried the Darbee, vs the MPC settings. But I guess I'm going to find out since I'm ordering a Darbee myself :-)
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post #170 of 6115
5/16/12 at 1:30pm
Received mine last Friday. It's fed by a Lumagen Radiance XD into an Elite 70X5. Definitely improves detail and depth in the PQ. Played around with the settings for cable and Blu-ray sources. Settled on 50% so far for both with HD used for cable and HD or Pop used for Blu-ray from an Oppo 83. IMO Avatar looked better with Pop than HD although Pop seems to overdue it a bit for cable. Wish we could use a different % setting for each preset. Overall: well worth the price.
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post #171 of 6115
5/16/12 at 1:31pm
Is there any refund policy from AVS if this does not work for me?
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post #172 of 6115
5/16/12 at 1:34pm
I'm also wondering if this type of processing deprives Blu-Ray movies of their film-look, more toward the movies looking like they were shot on HD Video cameras. In other words, is this a product more directed at those who actually like the look of frame interpolation on their movies?
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post #173 of 6115
5/16/12 at 1:35pm
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Is there any refund policy from AVS if this does not work for me?

If memory serves, 15 days to return and you pay the shipping. Product warrantee is 90 days from Darbee. Thought that was a bit short!
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post #174 of 6115
5/16/12 at 1:36pm
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I'm also wondering if this type of processing deprives Blu-Ray movies of their film-look, more toward the movies looking like they were shot on HD Video cameras. In other words, is this a product more directed at those who actually like the look of frame interpolation on their movies?

I hope not. I hate CMD/motion plus/true motion etc....
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post #175 of 6115
5/16/12 at 1:37pm
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I'm also wondering if this type of processing deprives Blu-Ray movies of their film-look, more toward the movies looking like they were shot on HD Video cameras. In other words, is this a product more directed at those who actually like the look of frame interpolation on their movies?

If you are talking about something like the soap opera effect, I have seen nothing like that. Grain is still there etc.
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post #176 of 6115
5/16/12 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

The description (and photos) of the Darbee effects look very similar to the "MPC" setting effects on the JVC E-shift projectors (I have one, the JVC RS55). An increasing of fine-detail contrast that adds clarity and pop to the image as you dial it up.

I was going to ask if anyone with an E-shift JVC projector had tried the Darbee, vs the MPC settings. But I guess I'm going to find out since I'm ordering a Darbee myself :-)

I was thinking the same thing regarding e-shift. I also ordered one as well to see how it fairs with the RS55.

I'll post some large screenshots in the mini-shootout thread when it arrives.
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post #177 of 6115
5/16/12 at 5:05pm
That should be fun reading zombie10k.

I've a history of buying things like this (both audio and video) and being disappointed, but the user reviews combined with the price makes it seem worth a shot.

I'm already bemoaning a bit of loss of a film-like look on my RS55, compared to my RS20 projector, so I don't know how much I'll use ithe Darblet for movies, though I'd use it for sports and other "realistic" sources. It would be great if it also turns out to do what I want with movies on Blu-Ray as well. (I'm often happy for more image depth and clarity, but sometimes that works well with movies, other times it can hinder).
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post #178 of 6115
5/16/12 at 6:55pm
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Originally Posted by R Harkness View Post

That should be fun reading zombie10k.

I've a history of buying things like this (both audio and video) and being disappointed, but the user reviews combined with the price makes it seem worth a shot.

I'm already bemoaning a bit of loss of a film-like look on my RS55, compared to my RS20 projector, so I don't know how much I'll use ithe Darblet for movies, though I'd use it for sports and other "realistic" sources. It would be great if it also turns out to do what I want with movies on Blu-Ray as well. (I'm often happy for more image depth and clarity, but sometimes that works well with movies, other times it can hinder).

Interesting that you observed a film like look to the RS20, the motion blur on pans was driving me to distraction, but since I haven't been to a movie house to see film since 1999 when I first started up my HT, I can't say for sure anymore what film looks like. But I doubt it had that annoying blur on slow pans.

I can say though with the Darblet that it doesn't smooth motion on my vw95, but it does produce a 'richer' looking picture that seems to be due to improved contrast/sharpening. I think umr commented in his trial with it gave lcos more of a dlp look but check his comments just in case I misinterpreted it. I guess if that sharpened dlp looks digital then maybe those who like the film look may not find the Darblet useful, but in lower percentages say up to 30, that effect is not as noticeble and the apparent contrast effects may be more appreciated.
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post #179 of 6115
5/16/12 at 7:01pm
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I'm intrigued by this product.

Has anyone noticed any video processing issues introduced in terms of lip-sync problems?

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Originally Posted by joikd View Post

One question before I order: is there any added delay when changing channels?

I have a Tivo3 with FIOS to Onkyo 805 to VW95 and tonight while skipping between channels looking for good program material to try different settings on the Darblet I couldn't detect any lip sync issues nor on a Smallville BD the other night.

Also, on my set up the channel changing was quick as usual without any delay.
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post #180 of 6115
5/16/12 at 8:05pm
Correct no lip sync issues due to its speed from what I've read and seen from mine.


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One question before I order: is there any added delay when changing channels?

No worries in that regard. This unit is all win, nothing to lose. Would be pretty hard to not be able to find some at least minimal setting in Hi Def or other mode to make any reasonably good source look some level of better & can be WOW type better too on certain sources. Try great 1080P scenery/landscape photographs on it if you have any, and even more preferably with a large projected display.

Once you find your setting for motion sources (each can be different) and are watching that level comfortably, and then switch the processing off because you can't help yourself from playing with buttons....virtually guranteed you won't want to leave it there unprocessed for other than just checking it.
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