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post #1681 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey View Post


Mine is the updated model, that you can set the effect in single steps up or down.
See my post a bit up. I can't figure out why the Comcast box will show a picture if plugged directly into the Darblet, but not if it goes through the receiver? After all, there's two other HDMI sources and a (cross converted Component to HDMI) source that come out the same HDMI output and work fine with the Darblet.

Jive Turkey,

I saw your post and was dissappointed to see that you are having problems. As I recall, The MOT DCH boxes were some of the first HDMI set top boxes and from what I'm seeing, it appears to be some sort of timing issue between the two devices.

One thing you can try is to access the service menu in your comcast box by hitting the menu button on your comcast remote while the box is off. Once in service mode, find the color space choices and select RGB and retry. Unfortunately, Comcast in my area resets my box to a default configuration every time the box is power cycled, so I couldn't confirm this color space test. Maybe you will have better luck. Let us know what you find out.

For me, I'm going to find the MOT model number that will work and get Comcast to swap it out. Hopefully AVS members will come to rescue with some model numbers.
post #1682 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Nima View Post

Anyone else with a media player having those mentioned issues? Any official answer?
I am quite frustrated to have ordered this only to find out the next day that it will not work with my media player (Dune HD). frown.gif

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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I've used the Darbee with the Himedia 900B and Micca 950 with no problem with 2D or 3D BD ISO. I'll test my popcorn hour A110 and C200 tonight.

I have the color-space issue (green screen) with my Netgear NEOTV550. When I force my TV to RGB, the picture is normal.

Mark
post #1683 of 7863
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Originally Posted by dphdiver View Post

Today I received my Darblet, and like many have experienced a few issues out of the box (i.e. green image, intermittent handshake problems). My latest issue, which I've yet to resolve, is that I can't get the Darblet to work with my Apple TV.
In terms of set-up, I have an Apple TV, a cable box, and an Oppo-93 each connected to a Denon 5308CI (recently upgraded for 3D et al) via HDMI. The Darblet sits between the Denon and a Panasonic PT-AE7000U projector. After some adjustments the Darblet now works with the cable box and the Oppo-93, but not the Apple TV. When using the Apple TV through the Darblet, the Panasonic PT-AE7000U searches endlessly for a signal. If I disconnect the Darblet, the issue immediately goes away and the projector recognizes the Apple TV. Thoughts? Suggestions? Words of wisdom?

My Darblet is working with my Apple TV2.

Mark
post #1684 of 7863
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Originally Posted by RonF View Post

When he can put in a pristine few blurays and not feed it crap you guys come back and talk.....sheesh. You really do think everyone that says great things about it to the contrary of his limited observations with artifacts from his sources the Darbee is trying to work through.......is off our nut it seems. See it and give it a proper test. My suggested experiment with The Art of Flight stands. Let's see how intellectually honest everyone's willing to be. SPEND SOME TIME PROPER AND FEED IT A LOT OF EXCELLENT DISCS ON AN EXCELLENT DISPLAY. Those that haven't seen it just stop. Is it unfair to ask that?

We come from left field and tore up text books.
Some don't fully understand the ramifications of what it means to be able to treat digital images as a technology.
Making fidelity to the scene is wonderful, but is incomplete for our visual systems.
You cannot argue that our vision biology is meant to process images without phase information.
With conventional image capture, all the phase information of the ambient light array is thrown out.
The defocus and subtract approach with disparate images (phase information) is so simple that it is really a forehead slap.
Simple and really a discovery more than an invention.
The discovery is that you can put 3D phase information into 2D image scenes and yield a gratifying result.
Your brain thanks you for preconditioning the image with some of what it was expecting, phase information.
The inventive part has been in making the process practical to implement.

Even though I got locked out of HTS, all 104 (so far) comments are fully viewable due to a very clumsy page redirect mechanism.
A very interesting read.
We actually value all the commentary (good and bad, in 7 languages around the world now) as it helps us make the product better for the long haul.

-DD
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Originally Posted by rboster View Post

I agree... His lack of interest and effort doesn't really add much to the discussion. Bazlog, if you are striving to find contrary opinions on this product, your agenda would be better served by finding someone who really has tested and spent time/effort to run the darbee through it's paces.

Hey...isn't that why we're over here at AVSForums and not in some other alternate universe?
post #1686 of 7863
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

My Darblet is working with my Apple TV2.
Mark
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

My Darblet is working with my Apple TV2.
Mark

Here is a discussion thread about HDMI sync issues with ATV products.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2600405?start=0&tstart=0

We have a refund policy if you cannot get it working to your liking with the equipment that you have.

-DD
post #1687 of 7863
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post


Tx, DD; yes I have the 1% feature.   But still perplexed that things don't work when I send 422 or 444 color space from my Radiance to the Darblet (and from it to a Sony1000ES).    It does work if i send RGB out of the Radiance.

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Originally Posted by DarbeeDr View Post

Can you tell us which Radiance product you have? We should be able to run this to ground with Jim's support.
-DD

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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post


It's the Radiance Mini 3D.    Thanks much DD!

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Originally Posted by Geof View Post

I'm not having any luck with the Darbee accepting 4:2:2 from my Radiance Mini. It doesn't like 444 either. It appears that what it wants is RGB since that works fine.
In a nutshell:
  • With the Mini set to output 422 and the JVC set to receive 422 all works fine without Darbee. It does not work with Darbee.
  • With the Mini set to output 444 and the JVC set to receive 444 all works fine without Darbee. It does not work with Darbee.
  • With the Mini set to output RGB and the JVC set to receive RGB - or Auto - everything works fine with and without Darbee.
So, something is weird.
My initial impressions were sullied by the colorspace issue and the extreme darbee effect. I have quickly lowered my setting to 40 and may even lower it from here - IF I keep it.
I am not happy with the still unresolved colorspace issue and the lack of user upgradable firmware. I think the firmware still needs work and sending this back and forth makes me wonder if I just shouldn't wait for version 2. I need to watch some more I guess.

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Originally Posted by wmassie View Post

Yes I have a Radience XD connected to the darblet with the new firmware. My Tivo Premiere feeds the XD 4:4:4 but when I output that from the XD to the darblet to my Mits 73" I get the green-pink screen. I have to force the XD to output RBG to get a "normal" picture. Frustrating.

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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

I'm hoping to be able to test it with the Radiance XS tonight. Lumagen did tell me yesterday that any type of processing issue that was present with the mini would likely be present across their line of products. We'll know for sure soon enough.

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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

I can confirm what we already know - the latest Darbee that was shipped to AVS about a week ago does not work with my Radiance XS without forcing it to output RGB. For reference I am using this with the Sony VW95 (although from other reports the display used doesn't seem to matter).


Gents,

I thought it best to consolidate all the reports of Radiance compatibility, as this thread moves pretty fast. We have reported color space compatibility issues with the Radiance Mini-3D, Radiance XD, and now the Radiance XS.

Thanks.

Mark
post #1688 of 7863
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

Gents,
I thought it best to consolidate all the reports of Radiance compatibility, as this thread moves pretty fast. We have reported color space compatibility issues with the Radiance Mini-3D, Radiance XD, and now the Radiance XS.
Thanks.
Mark

Our current solution should cure all Radiance product interop illnesses. The fix is now shipping to Radiance owners who have discovered the issue and is being implemented as a running change/update for all product that is ready to go out. Yes...we are reprogramming the entire balance of the production run with the new code.

-DD
post #1689 of 7863
I was thinking that it would be appropriate to have a separate sticky post that users can post with their issues. I'm thinking it has to be detailed enough to describe their full hardware setup in detail, and possibly, whatever settings they are using for input/output in the areas of color space and sync and anything else others think appropriate. And most importantly the symptoms. And since we all have to bring at least one HDMI cable into the mix, it might be useful to indicate whether we've done any cable swapping to eliminate that as an issue. I'm really hoping power sequencing isn't in the mix, like it sometimes it seems to be in the world of networking (you know the drill, power everything off, then power the cable/dsl modem, then WiFi router, etc.). Does this sound reasonable? If so, who can set this up on the forum?
post #1690 of 7863
What a pleasant surprise. My Darbee arrived today. Gonna break it in with the Lockout blu-ray. Looking forward to getting Darbletized.
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

What a pleasant surprise. My Darbee arrived today. Gonna break it in with the Lockout blu-ray. Looking forward to getting Darbletized.

So did my second one! smile.gif

I now am using one exclusively for Directv and the other with Blu ray 2D and 3D. Both HDMI inputs are now covered....
post #1693 of 7863
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

I have the capability to utilize the Darblet for two displays, via an HDMI splitter, thanks to an my HDMI Distribution system. I have a JVC DLA-RS35 in my theater, and a Pioneer PDP-5020FD (9G Pioneer 50" Plasma) in my family room. My only concern (that comes to mind) is the complexity of cascading multiple HDMI switches when sending the signal to the family room.
For example, when using my Moxi DVR for cable (the primary source device for this room), it would pass through the following HDMI signal chain when going to the Plasma:
Moxi DVR
4x4 HDMI Matrix switch
Lumagen Radiance XS-3D
Darbee Darblet
1x2 HDMI Splitter
3x1 HDMI Switch
45-Foot Standard Speed HDMI cable (Blue Jeans Cable BJC Series 1)
Denon AVR-3312 CI
Pioneer PDP-5020FD
Any input or thoughts would be welcome.
Mark

I received my Darblet today and set it up without my Radiance XS-3D, which I have not connected yet, as I am still waiting on my RS35 to arrive. Anyway, I wanted to try it out, as it is pretty simple to set up. Here is the HDMI distribution path:

Moxi DVR, Netgear NEOTV550, Apple TV2, and Dish Network ViP211K Receiver.
**To**
4x4 HDMI Matrix switch
**To**
Darbee Darblet
**To**
45-Foot Standard Speed HDMI cable (Blue Jeans Cable BJC Series 1)
**To**
Denon AVR-3312 CI
**To**
Pioneer PDP-5020FD (9G Pioneer 50" 1080p Plasma)

Here are the reports of HDMI compatibility with my devices in my setup:

Moxi DVR - Good

Netgear NEOTV550 - For this device, I got a green screen in the normal configuration with the PDP-5020FD set to "Auto" for HDMI Color. I need to force the PDP-5020FD to accept only RGB, and then it was fine.

Apple TV2 - Good

Dish Network ViP211K Receiver - Good, but it will not display the Darblet's menu or OSD when set to only output 480i; I had to set it to 1080i before I could see the Darblet menu or OSD. I had it set to 480i, as I only use it for international programming that is in 480i.

I don't need to try it with the Radiance to know that won't work, as we have the reports already. So, I will need to send this in for a firmware fix, but it would be nice to figure out what is going on with the Media players as well (Dune, NeoTV550, etc.)

Mark
post #1694 of 7863
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Originally Posted by DarbeeDr View Post

Our current solution should cure all Radiance product interop illnesses. The fix is now shipping to Radiance owners who have discovered the issue and is being implemented as a running change/update for all product that is ready to go out. Yes...we are reprogramming the entire balance of the production run with the new code.
-DD

DarbeeDr,

Do we actually need to hook it up to discover the issue, or are the documented reports here sufficient? I do not have my Radiance installed in my system yet, which is the reason why I am asking.

Thanks.

Mark
post #1695 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

What a pleasant surprise. My Darbee arrived today. Gonna break it in with the Lockout blu-ray. Looking forward to getting Darbletized.

That's good. Will be waiting for your review.
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post #1697 of 7863
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

So did my second one! smile.gif
I now am using one exclusively for Directv and the other with Blu ray 2D and 3D. Both HDMI inputs are now covered....

Mine is on its way hopefully next week.
post #1698 of 7863
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

So did my second one! smile.gif
I now am using one exclusively for Directv and the other with Blu ray 2D and 3D. Both HDMI inputs are now covered....

Dual Darbee's. That rocks! What do you have each set on?

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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

That's good. Will be waiting for your review.

Better make sure I have enough malted beverages in the fridge.wink.gif
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

Dual Darbee's. That rocks! What do you have each set on?

Better make sure I have enough malted beverages in the fridge.wink.gif

HA.... I don't feel like such a degenerate. Checking out new HT gear always goes better with some cold ones. Gotcha had none but I helped myself to 3 of his while showing him the Darblet and he....me, the eShift and MPC on his RS55 with it. As everyone else has said it's a great combo.

And Waboman NICE setup!! And the audio gear eek.gif All the McIntosh components are freaking gorgeous. (need a couple bow down icons like on my Lakers forum)
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

Dual Darbee's. That rocks! What do you have each set on?
Better make sure I have enough malted beverages in the fridge.wink.gif

I have been liking Blu ray on Hi Def at 45% and DirecTV sports on Full Pop about 70%. Shows like Dexter or Walking Dead get Hi Def at about 55%. smile.gif

Dual Darblets makes life easier since I don't have to switch back and forth. Since I love Blu ray players with Dual HDMI outputs I have always used both HDMI inputs on my projector (HDMI 1 is for the Onkyo- DirecTV, 360, PS3 and Security cameras/HDMI 2 with my Sony 790 blu ray). smile.gif
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Originally Posted by RonF View Post

And Waboman NICE setup!! And the audio gear eek.gif All the McIntosh components are freaking gorgeous. (need a couple bow down icons like on my Lakers forum)

Definitely +1
post #1702 of 7863
I got my Darblet today.

I like it. I'm unsubscribing from this thread. Thanks for everything guys.

Here are a few pics.

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I haven't seen any unboxing photos so here you go...
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post #1703 of 7863
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Originally Posted by DarbeeDr View Post


Our current solution should cure all Radiance product interop illnesses. The fix is now shipping to Radiance owners who have discovered the issue and is being implemented as a running change/update for all product that is ready to go out. Yes...we are reprogramming the entire balance of the production run with the new code.
-DD


Thanks to all you Darblet guys for jumping on this so quickly.

 

My new version is in to FedEx; thought I might be lucky and get it today, but probably will on Monday.   I'll report my results asap.

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Originally Posted by popalock View Post

I got my Darblet today.
I like it. I'm unsubscribing from this thread. Thanks for everything guys.
Here are a few pics.
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Darblet 100%
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I haven't seen any unboxing photos so here you go...
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Got my 2nd one today too. If I might offer a suggestion.....as this all picks up and more and more public awareness builds....and being that no signature is being required, they just leave the package.....I'm not sure of the purpose and whether it's wise or not to put "Darbee Darblet" right on the label. I've always loved the anonymous double boxed shipments from AVS. Maybe you should rethink putting a look at me I.D. on the package?
post #1705 of 7863
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Originally Posted by RonF View Post

Got my 2nd one today too.

Second one already, still waiting for my first one to arrive. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Second one already, still waiting for my first one to arrive. smile.gif

Well I ordered the 2nd one right after Opening Ceremonies in London after trying the first one out on my 61" LED DLP Sammy. I was talking to Mark Haflich on the phone a year ago this past February.....so 18 months ago.....to order a 2nd lamp for the RS50 to be calibrated, pulled out, and saved for only demo purposes. And Mark was the first one to tell me about Darbee and what he saw at CEDIA in 2010. I have been following them ever since and had my 1st one within 3 days of the first customer shipments.
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

Call me my friend. I will get it ordered for you pronto and shipped Weds or Thursday. If you want call my home number 301 570 7617. I am watching the Olympics. It can't be ordered on our website until we have them in hand.

Hi Mark, went off on vacation. Will call you when I am back mid week. Definitely want one of these babies.
post #1708 of 7863
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Originally Posted by RonF View Post

Well I ordered the 2nd one right after Opening Ceremonies in London after trying the first one out on my 61" LED DLP Sammy. I was talking to Mark Haflich on the phone a year ago this past February.....so 18 months ago.....to order a 2nd lamp for the RS50 to be calibrated, pulled out, and saved for only demo purposes. And Mark was the first one to tell me about Darbee and what he saw at CEDIA in 2010. I have been following them ever since and had my 1st one within 3 days of the first customer shipments.

Well im looking forward to it. Hopefully it turns out as well as many as the positive reviews I read.
post #1709 of 7863
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Originally Posted by DIY Guy View Post

Sawmill
Jive Turkey
I sent my unit in for the update because of the same symptom you Guy's are having with your MOT DCH32xx/34xx boxes. Sounds like it's still broken.
I'm going to get a new box from Comcast, but would like to know what Motorola model number Comcast users/AVS members have working with the Darblet.
PLEASE SHARE YOUR MOTOROLA CABLE BOX MODEL NO.
Thanks!

Darbee working just fine with my Motorola DCX3400 DVR (aside from the colorspace issue with known Darbee bug for Lumagen users). I used to have the 3416 box. If the DCX3400 is available in your area IMO its a much better box and your hard drive capacity will be a lot more. I think I went from like 160GB to 500GB when I upgraded my DVR to the 3400.
post #1710 of 7863
Well tonight I decided to watch a movie and changing inputs on my Duo over to my Bluray player it gave me no image. So I changed back to my DVR and I got the greenish screen but it was also squeezed into a 4x3 image instead of 16x9. It was an HD station. I toggled HDMI inputs on my projector and the image returned to normal with 444 passing and in 16x9. Switched back to my Bluray player and it was OK. Thank god! Hopefully that was just a random glitch. I had forgot to turn on the Darblet before I turned on my projector so maybe that caused the miss handshake. I hope! If I keep having this problem I may have to send my Darblet back in too.

Ron
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