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post #1771 of 7870
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Originally Posted by DarbeeDr View Post

Green light is the "heart beat" for the FPGA.
It should be flashing continuously, and you can dim it via the menu settings.
From the User Guide that is available on the front page of the website, or here: http://darbeevision.com/assets/documents/DarbeeVision%20Darblet%20User%20Guide%2020120426a.pdf
5. The red LED will light up to indicate that the Darblet is receiving power. An internal green LED will blink once per second to indicate that the Darblet is working.
6. When video is present the Darblet's blue LED will illuminate continuously.
-DD

Thank you. That answers my question.
post #1772 of 7870
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

I thought I grasped how Darbee works, based on pixel-level control of contrast.
I'm scratching my head on what phase might mean; I can't imagine it's the actual waveform phase of GHz (or is it THz) light frequencies.
Could you elaborate?

Phase means, where the information came (its angle) from for a given pixel and is relative to another pixel's phase information.

State of the art imaging is pure intensity information and does not include the fact that much of the ambient light array information is phase information.

-DD
post #1773 of 7870
Initial response after one night of viewing this is a very impressive bit of technology and when viewed from the perspective of cost-to-benefit ratio, it is indeed amazing.

System Set-Up: a Sony BDP350 Blu-Ray player into an Onkyo TX-N708 A/V Receiver, out to the Darblet, feeding a JVC DILA RS45 Projector, and throwing an image onto a 110" (16x9) Vutech 1.3 gain screen in a largely light controlled room.

When evaluating a new piece of gear, I like to watch and/or listen to source material which I'm very familiar with. Using Gary Reber's (Widescreen Review) setting: HD Green, 70%, I asked my wife to pick out a film which she was very familiar with to conduct a test. She chose the blu-ray "Mama Mia". Within 60 seconds of viewing she turned to me and said "this is an upgrade; the picture is clearer". I tried to avoid injecting my own thoughts since I wanted to hear what she had to say, but I agreed with her initial reaction. The 70% setting is a bit too much for my equipment, so I dialed it down to 60% and watched the rest of the film. At one point Sam's (Pierce Brosnan) day old stubble was so obvious that I was thinking "this man really needs a shave". In previous viewings of the film I'd barely noticed his facial hair. That was impressive.

So far so good and easily worth the money. I'll post further observations after watching a few more films.

FWIW, I've been into movies for over 50 years, and was a home theater consultant for a number of years. I was part of the first group to complete the "Advanced" THX Training conducted by Tomlinson Holman at Skywalker ranch, almost 19 years ago to the day. I add this simply so readers will know that I've seen a lot of great gear, and a lot of great HT set-ups.
post #1774 of 7870
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Originally Posted by CJayB View Post

I don't have a Lumagen processor to dump, but I've happily dumped my DVDO Edge after getting a Darblet.

I think any calibration equipment is a good investment.
Don't think your Edge has a CMS though?

Calibration first if you can then effects in my opinion is the way forward.

However, effects may work well with a non calibrated Display.
After all many of us have been using a BD player on an uncalibrated Display.
post #1775 of 7870
I am setting my Darblet up with my Harmony 1100 today. Will be much easier to "fine tune" the image. smile.gif
post #1776 of 7870
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Originally Posted by DarbeeDr View Post

Happy to engage discussion.
The entire device is opt in at the end of the chain, at your pleasure.
Full Pop Mode does not restrict the algorithm (in many ways) and allows the presentation of the strongest modifications. Depending upon the content, those modifications may be appreciated or not. For low quality material that has a low signal to noise ratio the modifications that slip through (and might otherwise be offensive in high fidelity images), might go unnoticed. In that case you would appreciate the benefit to the image presentation and not be distracted by the modifications.
In Full Pop Mode, modifications when processing high fidelity material are both more accurately applied and therefore when applied in judicious amounts can create a wonderful level of depth and clarity perception.
Gaming Mode is a brother of Hi Def Mode. Full Pop is the cousin.
In the future, the Modes may have more knobs and dials for the user. It took 9 years to remove them, now everyone wants them back. Fortunately, lashing parameters to hardware is easier to accomplish than being asked to removing them altogether.
-DD

Thank you. If we can focus our discussion to high quality material such as 1080p/24 Blu-ray that would be great, as I do not watch much of anything else besides that except for good quality HDTV.

For me the Darbee adds a high degree of clarity compared to the original, even at mild settings such as around 40%. It works even better at 40% in POP mode vs HD mode. So I prefer POP in many ways because it adds the even extra clarity. But this comes at the expense of some darkening of highlights that may not be focus points of the frame, when compared to how it looks with Darbee off or in HD mode. What would be great is to have a slider that effectively has HD mode on the left, and POP mode on the right, and then we can move the slider to control how much modifications Darbee applies (strongest modification being on the right in full POP mode). I believe I am correct in my assumption that this slider would be completely different than changing the % level such as 35% vs 55% vs 100% etc. Yes? That is why I think it would be a great addition.

Also can you please explain in more detail how HD mode and GAME mode differ? It seems to be a very slight difference, with game mode being ever so slightly more aggressive. Then full POP mode goes the strongest. Could use some steps in between (hence the slider).

Thanks for a truly exceptional product. It is amazing how it makes my un-darbee-dized picture look soft and out of focus in comparison on my Sony VW95 which is no slouch to being with!
post #1777 of 7870
Life is much easier setting the Darblet up with a universal remote like the Harmony 1100. I put all its commands under my Blu ray and DirecTV pages. It is nice having separate commands (which are really the same) for More, Less and Up, Down. And it is cool changing modes and doing a Demo all with the Darblet behind my rack out of sight. smile.gif

And using the Channel Up and Down buttons for More and Less make it too easy!!! eek.gif
Edited by joerod - 8/5/12 at 2:42pm
post #1778 of 7870
Anyone know where a IR extender cable can be purchased (as mentioned in Darbeevision manual): IR Remote Control Extender Input, 3 V? I did a quick Google search for this term and didn't find any, the ones I found were 5 volt.
post #1779 of 7870

Are the IR codes for universal remote controls anywhere posted?

 

____

Axel

post #1780 of 7870
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Originally Posted by DarbeeDr View Post

Ken Ross on post #114 of HTS summarizes well.
You may not be aware that I got banned from the HTS pretty quickly and without notification, despite not starting that Darblet thread, only posting an introductory comment after finding it on Google, and pointing out that there was already a healthy list of video experts who have reviewed it.
We have not given HTS a demo unit for it is against our policy. Despite repeated requests we have not given any of the many Forums around the world a demo unit.
BTW, we don't even give free demo units to our sales channels.
The commentary has always evolved organically, and could be characterized as similar in many of the forums. A progression from skeptical to appreciation.
There is plenty of future ahead and I am sure we will eventually have a friendly dialog with everyone.
-DD

This is untrue. Your account is active. You were never banned. You continue to be welcome, as is anyone who follows the rules.
post #1781 of 7870
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Originally Posted by Axel View Post

Are the IR codes for universal remote controls anywhere posted?

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Axel

I just taught my 1100 the various commands. Worked pretty easily. I had to change the frequency under Device settings...
post #1782 of 7870
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

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Originally Posted by Axel View Post

Are the IR codes for universal remote controls anywhere posted?

____
Axel


I just taught my 1100 the various commands. Worked pretty easily. I had to change the frequency under Device settings...

 

 

 

For me that would be the last choice. I prefer copying and pasting 'clean' codes into my remote control editor - easier and more robust.

____

Axel

post #1783 of 7870
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Life is much easier setting the Darblet up with a universal remote like the Harmony 1100. I put all its commands under my Blu ray and DirecTV pages. It is nice having separate commands (which are really the same) for More, Less and Up, Down. And it is cool changing modes and doing a Demo all with the Darblet behind my rack out of sight. smile.gif
And using the Channel Up and Down buttons for More and Less make it too easy!!! eek.gif

When I receive mine I'll have to program it to the pronto tsu 9800 as all my gear is in another room. I was hoping some one already had on a Philips pronto save me the time.
post #1784 of 7870
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Life is much easier setting the Darblet up with a universal remote like the Harmony 1100. I put all its commands under my Blu ray and DirecTV pages. It is nice having separate commands (which are really the same) for More, Less and Up, Down. And it is cool changing modes and doing a Demo all with the Darblet behind my rack out of sight. smile.gif
And using the Channel Up and Down buttons for More and Less make it too easy!!! eek.gif

Same here. We use the Logitech Harmony One and even though the remote is not in Logitech's on-line data base, it was easy to manually record the commands (via 'learn commands' mode). The only quirk was finding a category for the Darblet. Finally I settled on "Home Automation Device" during set-up, then changed that after entering the commands. It works like a charm and the range appears to be much stronger than the original Darbee remote.
post #1785 of 7870
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Originally Posted by sjschaff View Post

As I understand it, though the power supply can handle more this device is using 1 amp. And since turning electronics off and on repeatedly will shorten its life, it seems that this device should not be disconnected or otherwise powered off.

My Darblet now says 1.5 amp yet they are shipping 1 amp and 2 amp supplies or they were. Last time we spoke they were looking for new power supply vendors. I have to either power it off or disconnect it for my 3D setup to work correctly through my Duo VP. I need to experiment more but I think HDMI handshaking is worse with the second gen firmware. Bit of a PITA but the image looks so good on my 2D projector I can't live without it. LOL. Now that its passing 444 color I will have to try it on my acer 3D setup. Hopefully it will work.
post #1786 of 7870
I just put it as an Av switch just like the Lumagen. Then I changed the name. Either way will work.

Quote:
Same here. We use the Logitech Harmony One and even though the remote is not in Logitech's on-line data base, it was easy to manually record the commands (via 'learn commands' mode). The only quirk was finding a category for the Darblet. Finally I settled on "Home Automation Device" during set-up, then changed that after entering the commands. It works like a charm and the range appears to be much stronger than the original Darbee remote.
post #1787 of 7870
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Originally Posted by bazlog View Post

Sorry Larry you must have missed my earlier question?

Man, you're like a bad cold that just won't go away. There must be somewhere else you can spew your agenda.

It's just getting very old and tiring, when we're at the point where actual users are trying to communicate without being hounded.

I'm usually the last one to get on stuff like this, but it really seems you're sitting back in your chair, rubbing your hands together, wondering what you can say today to bug someone and further whatever your agenda is.
post #1788 of 7870
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

When I receive mine I'll have to program it to the pronto tsu 9800 as all my gear is in another room. I was hoping some one already had on a Philips pronto save me the time.

Post #520.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet/510#post_22126369
post #1789 of 7870
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Originally Posted by johng View Post

Same here. We use the Logitech Harmony One and even though the remote is not in Logitech's on-line data base, it was easy to manually record the commands (via 'learn commands' mode). The only quirk was finding a category for the Darblet. Finally I settled on "Home Automation Device" during set-up, then changed that after entering the commands. It works like a charm and the range appears to be much stronger than the original Darbee remote.

I paired them with the wireless extender with excellent results. Just taped the blasters right next to the power led (by IR input). I used DAT as a device and renamed it Darblet. Life is good now. smile.gif
post #1790 of 7870
Wondering if anyone using this with a fp, and a HP screen. Seems like the HP screen could make for a great combination with this device.
post #1791 of 7870
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Originally Posted by tigerfan33 View Post

Wondering if anyone using this with a fp and a HP screen. Seems like the HP screen could make for a great combination with this device.
post #1792 of 7870

Thanks Praz smile.gif I'll get the remote ready so when I receive it im ready to go.
post #1793 of 7870
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Originally Posted by praz View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Franin View Post

When I receive mine I'll have to program it to the pronto tsu 9800 as all my gear is in another room. I was hoping some one already had on a Philips pronto save me the time.

Post #520.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet/510#post_22126369

 

 

Thanks much, praz!

 

_____

Axel

post #1794 of 7870
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Originally Posted by tigerfan33 View Post

Wondering if anyone using this with a fp, and a HP screen. Seems like the HP screen could make for a great combination with this device.

I'm using it with the JVC RS55 and BQ W7000 on the 142" 2.8 HP. I posted some close up shots a few days ago, check the link in my signature.
post #1795 of 7870
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Originally Posted by tigerfan33 View Post
 


I use it with the newer 2.4HP screen (144x61 for 2.35, and 136x72 for 17x9), from a Sony !000ES.   A great result.

post #1796 of 7870
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post

My Darblet now says 1.5 amp yet they are shipping 1 amp and 2 amp supplies or they were. Last time we spoke they were looking for new power supply vendors. I have to either power it off or disconnect it for my 3D setup to work correctly through my Duo VP. I need to experiment more but I think HDMI handshaking is worse with the second gen firmware. Bit of a PITA but the image looks so good on my 2D projector I can't live without it. LOL. Now that its passing 444 color I will have to try it on my acer 3D setup. Hopefully it will work.
I measured mine today....it draws 200mA with no HDMI input.
post #1797 of 7870
Thanks Zomb!
Very impressive. I thought with the gain of the HP detail would be more defined. I was right:)
Seems like the Darbee is a must for fp owners. Goes double for HP owners:)

On a side note.
AVS please update your app!!!!!!

Thanks. Had to get that off my chest.smile.gif
post #1798 of 7870
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Thank you. If we can focus our discussion to high quality material such as 1080p/24 Blu-ray that would be great, as I do not watch much of anything else besides that except for good quality HDTV.
For me the Darbee adds a high degree of clarity compared to the original, even at mild settings such as around 40%. It works even better at 40% in POP mode vs HD mode. So I prefer POP in many ways because it adds the even extra clarity. But this comes at the expense of some darkening of highlights that may not be focus points of the frame, when compared to how it looks with Darbee off or in HD mode. What would be great is to have a slider that effectively has HD mode on the left, and POP mode on the right, and then we can move the slider to control how much modifications Darbee applies (strongest modification being on the right in full POP mode). I believe I am correct in my assumption that this slider would be completely different than changing the % level such as 35% vs 55% vs 100% etc. Yes? That is why I think it would be a great addition.
Also can you please explain in more detail how HD mode and GAME mode differ? It seems to be a very slight difference, with game mode being ever so slightly more aggressive. Then full POP mode goes the strongest. Could use some steps in between (hence the slider).
Thanks for a truly exceptional product. It is amazing how it makes my un-darbee-dized picture look soft and out of focus in comparison on my Sony VW95 which is no slouch to being with!

It would be interesting to blend Full Pop with HD Mode in some fashion. That is one for our engineers to chew on.
A slider would be a faster navigate, however you would still probably want 1% increments to dial it in once you got there.
Depth cues can be interpreted as artifacts. HD mode provides the hardest clamps on depth cue "artifacts" and is the result of 18 months of feedback from other companies. Gaming mode was created by releasing some of the clamps we use in Hi Def mode. For CGI and gaming content, the image is often clean and can take more depth information. Gamers also want the depth cues as they indicate that it helps them perform and win more.

-DD
post #1799 of 7870
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Originally Posted by WynsWrld98 View Post

Anyone know where a IR extender cable can be purchased (as mentioned in Darbeevision manual): IR Remote Control Extender Input, 3 V? I did a quick Google search for this term and didn't find any, the ones I found were 5 volt.

IR Signals are sent over 1/8" (3.5mm) male to male cables, and you can use either stereo or mono cables. Stereo are easier to find, and are available on monoprice:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10218#1021802

I hope this helps.

Mark
post #1800 of 7870
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Originally Posted by DarbeeDr View Post

It would be interesting to blend Full Pop with HD Mode in some fashion. That is one for our engineers to chew on.
A slider would be a faster navigate, however you would still probably want 1% increments to dial it in once you got there.
Depth cues can be interpreted as artifacts. HD mode provides the hardest clamps on depth cue "artifacts" and is the result of 18 months of feedback from other companies. Gaming mode was created by releasing some of the clamps we use in Hi Def mode. For CGI and gaming content, the image is often clean and can take more depth information. Gamers also want the depth cues as they indicate that it helps them perform and win more.
-DD

Thanks. Can you keep us posted here on whether this is something you will pursue in the short term? I really love the extra clarity that full pop provides (such as in the whites of people eyes etc) but not at the expense of darkening the highlights in the image (darker than both Darbee off and HD mode). So I am often torn as to how to watch. If a slider or increments setting is too involved to implement in the short term, a new setting that is half way between HD and POP would be a great compromise.

Also if you are looking for product suggestions - it would be great if you could add presets that stored the mode (HD vs GAME vs POP) and the %. For example Preset 1 = HD 43%, Preset 2 = HD 33%, Preset 3 = POP 40% etc. Many of us are finding that we prefer different Darbee settings for different content. So this would make it easier to jump to our favorite settings for the source.
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