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post #1891 of 6105
8/7/12 at 8:44am
Yes, I tested the Darblet using PRO-111 and the result is stunning. No it doesn't make the black blacker, not to my eyes at least, but it gives creates a sense of depth without adding ringing to the picture which something a sharpness control does.
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post #1892 of 6105
8/7/12 at 9:14am
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Any 9G Kuro owners using this device? Would really like to know what you think about it if you do, would be amazing if it could enhance the PQ/blacks even further if possible.
Newbie question: to my untrained eyes it looks like the Darbee kind of gives the same results of increasing an image's sharpness (adding detail that aren't there), so can someone please explain the difference to me? Because I know videophiles won't be excited about the device if that's what it did.

I received my Darblet this past weekend and set it up temporarily without my Radiance XS-3D, which I have not connected yet, as I am still waiting on my RS35 to arrive. Anyway, I wanted to try it out, as it is pretty simple to set up. Here is the HDMI distribution path:

Moxi DVR, Netgear NEOTV550, Apple TV2, and Dish Network ViP211K Receiver.
**To**
4x4 HDMI Matrix switch
**To**
Darbee Darblet
**To**
45-Foot Standard Speed HDMI cable (Blue Jeans Cable BJC Series 1)
**To**
Denon AVR-3312 CI
**To**
Pioneer PDP-5020FD (9G Pioneer 50" 1080p Plasma)

I do notice an improvement with my 9G Pioneer Plasma, but my opinion may not the best indicator, as I have black "fish net" style mesh fabric suspended in front of the TV to prevent my toddler from throwing a discus at the TV! Yes, he is a little stinker! cool.gifbiggrin.gif

Mark
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post #1893 of 6105
8/7/12 at 9:40am
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Originally Posted by DarbeeDr View Post

The IR IN on the Darblet expects a pin-out, from tip to sleeve of: (3.3V VCC Out, 3.3V IR In, GND). If an external, powered IR extender is being used, a 3.3V IR signal should thus be present on the ring (middle contact), GND connected on the sleeve, and the tip should be left disconnected (because the Darblet is supplying 3.3V there, expecting an unpowered IR extender).
The Darblet uses 38kHz Innotech codes for its IR communication. Simple learning remotes had no issue learning these codes.
WARNING: Do not mis-connect or apply more than 3.3V to the IR IN port. Some extender systems may operate at 5V, and may thus damage the Darblet and void warranty.
-DD

Thanks. However I am confused as to what I need exactly. I currently do not have any extenders or equipment out of line of sight. The Darbee will be my first, as I wish to tuck it behind my other equipment.

What product or cable do I need at an absolute minimum (cost and equipment-wise) that will work to do this? Can you recommend a specific piece of equipment or cable that will work? I want to buy something and not have to worry about returning it if its not compatible and not have to worry about damaging the Darbee.

Also - can you please provide the raw pronto codes the Darbee uses? When you add presets please add discrete IR codes for each.
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post #1894 of 6105
8/7/12 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

Any 9G Kuro owners using this device? Would really like to know what you think about it if you do, would be amazing if it could enhance the PQ/blacks even further if possible.
Newbie question: to my untrained eyes it looks like the Darbee kind of gives the same results of increasing an image's sharpness (adding detail that aren't there), so can someone please explain the difference to me? Because I know videophiles won't be excited about the device if that's what it did.

I'm using mine with a Kuro 6020 and it looks fantastic. I don't notice any difference in black level but the increase in detail without side effects is just astounding. If you're going by pics on their website, it's not the best as those can be a lil exaggerated. It's really one of those things you just need to see in person. Once you do, they'll be no going back! smile.gif
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post #1895 of 6105
8/7/12 at 9:43am
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Originally Posted by DarbeeDr View Post

The IR IN on the Darblet expects a pin-out, from tip to sleeve of: (3.3V VCC Out, 3.3V IR In, GND). If an external, powered IR extender is being used, a 3.3V IR signal should thus be present on the ring (middle contact), GND connected on the sleeve, and the tip should be left disconnected (because the Darblet is supplying 3.3V there, expecting an unpowered IR extender).
The Darblet uses 38kHz Innotech codes for its IR communication. Simple learning remotes had no issue learning these codes.
WARNING: Do not mis-connect or apply more than 3.3V to the IR IN port. Some extender systems may operate at 5V, and may thus damage the Darblet and void warranty.
-DD

So the one from mono price should work? smile.gif
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post #1896 of 6105
8/7/12 at 9:48am
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Originally Posted by DarbeeDr View Post

Your suggestion for preset that can be different for each mode is one offered by others and on our to do list.
-DD

Well, we may be talking about two different things so please allow me to clarify...

For starters, it would be great if the Darbee can remember its % level on a per mode basis. So for instance I should be able to set HD mode at 50% and POP mode at 35%, and as I move back and forth it always triggers HD mode at 50% and POP at 35%. Currently the level is fixed at what you last set it at regardless of whether the level was set in HD vs GAME vs POP mode. This should be a very simple change so hopefully its something you can put out very soon. It would also be very helpful in A/B testing. For instance I'm finding it challenging to decide whether I like 50% HD better than 50% POP (because I am looking for something more in between). So it would be great to A/B 50% HD vs 40% POP, etc. Currently this is impossible.

Then the even better plan is to add presets - maybe 5 or 9 of them. For each preset you could set the mode and level. For example Preset 1 = HD 40%, Preset 2 = HD 50%, Preset 3 = POP 37% etc. This way we can tie it to our sources. For instance if on the XBOX we prefer Preset 1 we just put that into our learning remotes macro when the XBOX is selected, etc.
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post #1897 of 6105
8/7/12 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

So the one from mono price should work? smile.gif

Which one exactly?
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post #1898 of 6105
8/7/12 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by johnsmith808 View Post

This should not be possible. I cannot believe my eyes. I have a RS40 but that isn't the projector I am most impressed by what the Darblet is doing. It is my lowly Acer H5360 720p dlp projector that I use strictly for 3d. I feel like the Darblet has completely transformed this projector into something I would never have thought was possible.
First of all the obviously low resolution of this pj now is hardly a factor with the significant increase in perceived resolution and detail. It's so much better that it's ridiculous. I put in Coraline and Hugo, both containing extremely detailed images. My jaw dropped to see what the Darblet did to those movies.
Next, a big weakness of dlp's, especially those without a dynamic iris, are the lower light scenes. I'm not talking a fade to black, as nothing can be done about that. The Darblet has somehow managed to make this cheap little dlp look like it's contrast ratio jumped up 3 or 4 times. Scenes that looked flat are now alive and vibrant.
Dlp's already have that "pop" to their image. With the Darlet, prepare for even more "pop". My RS40 now looks even flatter in brighter scenes. mad.gif
If you have a dlp projector, especially one without a dynamic iris, you need to get one of these. I have no desire to get a better 3d projector at this moment from the image the Darblet is creating on the Acer.

I think the effect you are describing is the adaptive-like gamma affect that the Darbee has (since it works by changing the lumanince of the pixels on an individual basis). It has the affect of brightening and darkening certain parts or highlights of the image, which works as a digital dynamic iris of sorts but is even better than a traditional dynamic iris because it can be applied to specific parts of the image more precisely than a traditional DI. And on top of that it seems to work great when used with a real DI. For instance on my VW95 with the DI on, star fields are more bright and vibrant with the Darbee than without.

Hummm I just had an idea... I wonder how the image will look with the DI on the Sony off but with the Darbee on in HD mode. Might give me similar DI like benefits while keeping the brighter parts of an image brighter. Will have to play with that.
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post #1899 of 6105
8/7/12 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

Any 9G Kuro owners using this device? Would really like to know what you think about it if you do, would be amazing if it could enhance the PQ/blacks even further if possible.

Newbie question: to my untrained eyes it looks like the Darbee kind of gives the same results of increasing an image's sharpness (adding detail that aren't there), so can someone please explain the difference to me? Because I know videophiles won't be excited about the device if that's what it did.

Yes I'm using it on my Pioneer KRP-600M (pro calibrated by Gregg Loewen) and I really like the results. Using it at HD 45%. Like many have said here an image with a lot of fine detail is where you notice the improvement the most. Viewing a blu-ray demo disk I have it just gives more...pop...is one way of describing it plus the added details in certain scenes is where the Darblet seems to excel...more noticeable than in broadcast TV (and I have FiOS so I'm getting a pretty good image). It's almost like when you are using regular binoculars and you turn the focus that last final little bit and everything pops into max focus.

I've also checked the Darblet against the Spears and Munsil calibration disk and there are no changes to any of the test images I looked at (pluge, gray scale, sharpness). White and black scales are identical with Darblet on/off and there is absolutely no ringing on the sharpness test image, at least with Darblet setting of HD 45%. If you use the demo material on the S&M disk you can really see the difference on/off with the cornfield and the Seattle skyline shots as well as the shots of the brick buildings on what I think is a college campus. With the small detail in those shots is where you can readily see what the Darblet is doing.
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post #1900 of 6105
8/7/12 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Yes, I tested the Darblet using PRO-111 and the result is stunning. No it doesn't make the black blacker, not to my eyes at least, but it gives creates a sense of depth without adding ringing to the picture which something a sharpness control does.

Thanks! This device might just be the thing that I needed to hold me off upgrading my TV till the end of next year!
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post #1901 of 6105
8/7/12 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by IceTBC View Post

I've also checked the Darblet against the Spears and Munsil calibration disk and there are no changes to any of the test images I looked at (pluge, gray scale, sharpness). White and black scales are identical with Darblet on/off and there is absolutely no ringing on the sharpness test image, at least with Darblet setting of HD 45%. If you use the demo material on the S&M disk you can really see the difference on/off with the cornfield and the Seattle skyline shots as well as the shots of the brick buildings on what I think is a college campus. With the small detail in those shots is where you can readily see what the Darblet is doing.

I concur with this observation. When it comes to text, test patterns, the Darblet does not change the original image (even with my setting at 65% on projectors and 50% on TVs). This proves that the Darblet doesn't f*&k with the original image when there is nothing to be improved upon.
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post #1902 of 6105
8/7/12 at 10:26am
Just to be sure (because if I ordered this for my e-lite 5020FD my friend will as well lol), this is the model you're all using, right:

https://shop.avscience.com/DarbeeVision--Darblet-DVP5000_p_351.html
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post #1903 of 6105
8/7/12 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by Waboman View Post

I'm using a 50' HDMI cable after the Darblet with no handshake issues. Knocks on wood.

I think anybody with HDMI issue with long cables need to have their cables replaced/examined. Who said that all cables are created equal? tongue.gif
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post #1904 of 6105
8/7/12 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by IceTBC View Post

Yes I'm using it on my Pioneer KRP-600M (pro calibrated by Gregg Loewen) and I really like the results. Using it at HD 45%. Like many have said here an image with a lot of fine detail is where you notice the improvement the most. Viewing a blu-ray demo disk I have it just gives more...pop...is one way of describing it plus the added details in certain scenes is where the Darblet seems to excel...more noticeable than in broadcast TV (and I have FiOS so I'm getting a pretty good image). It's almost like when you are using regular binoculars and you turn the focus that last final little bit and everything pops into max focus.
I've also checked the Darblet against the Spears and Munsil calibration disk and there are no changes to any of the test images I looked at (pluge, gray scale, sharpness). White and black scales are identical with Darblet on/off and there is absolutely no ringing on the sharpness test image, at least with Darblet setting of HD 45%. If you use the demo material on the S&M disk you can really see the difference on/off with the cornfield and the Seattle skyline shots as well as the shots of the brick buildings on what I think is a college campus. With the small detail in those shots is where you can readily see what the Darblet is doing.

I just hooked mine up this morning on my D-Nice calibrated 600M (as long as we are name-dropping - LOL). I only had a couple of hours to play but I really like what I have seen so far. I am sure it may take a bit of experimenting to arrive at the optimal setting. I am currently on HD - 65% with Fios box. I watch about 98% HD channels and this setting looks great. I am looking forward to checking out some blurays. I though I had to best 60' tv on the planet with my D-Nice black level tweeked and calibrated 600M but this is an improvement! The best 60" tv on the planet is now a Darbeeized, D-Nice tweeked, calibrated 600M!

barry
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post #1905 of 6105
8/7/12 at 10:58am
My new Darbee with the updated firmware for the Lumagen color space issue has arrived. I will fire it up this evening with my Radiance XS and let you know if it has resolved the issue with YCrCb 4:2:2.
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post #1906 of 6105
8/7/12 at 11:05am
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My new Darbee with the updated firmware for the Lumagen color space issue has arrived. I will fire it up this evening with my Radiance XS and let you know if it has resolved the issue with YCrCb 4:2:2.
Excellent...a day early, no?
Fingers crossed!
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post #1907 of 6105
8/7/12 at 11:06am
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Originally Posted by metallicaband View Post

Just to be sure (because if I ordered this for my e-lite 5020FD my friend will as well lol), this is the model you're all using, right:
https://shop.avscience.com/DarbeeVision--Darblet-DVP5000_p_351.html
Yes but the website may not be updated.
Call them to order one to see if they are in stock.
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post #1908 of 6105
8/7/12 at 11:13am
I will get mine this afternoon and I couldn't be more excited. I have heard nothing but good things from reputable folks. Now I need to figure out a way to use the Darbee with OTA HD broadcasts.
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post #1909 of 6105
8/7/12 at 11:16am
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Which one exactly?

There was a link to it about 3 pages back.
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8/7/12 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by Rach View Post

I will get mine this afternoon and I couldn't be more excited. I have heard nothing but good things from reputable folks. Now I need to figure out a way to use the Darbee with OTA HD broadcasts.

I would think you would need to go through a tuner that has HDMI out instead of connecting antenna directly to tv.

barry
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post #1911 of 6105
8/7/12 at 11:35am
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Hummm I just had an idea... I wonder how the image will look with the DI on the Sony off but with the Darbee on in HD mode. Might give me similar DI like benefits while keeping the brighter parts of an image brighter. Will have to play with that.

Will be very interested to hear your evaluation of this.

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post #1912 of 6105
8/7/12 at 12:18pm
I run the Playstation 3 > 3dxl > Darblet > Acer. I do like you with Gamma 1 and brightness to 48. My ps3 crushes blacks with rgb and that's what is happening now so probably need to send the Darblet in for firmware upgrade. I get green screen now with my rs40 and Sony hmz-t1 unless I force rgb on the playstation 3.
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post #1913 of 6105
8/7/12 at 12:19pm
I went ahead and ordered two of these. smile.gif

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011009&p_id=8060&seq=1&format=4#feedback
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post #1914 of 6105
8/7/12 at 12:36pm
Can soomeone tell me what the latest firmware number the most current darblets are shipping with. Thanks in advance
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post #1915 of 6105
8/7/12 at 12:42pm
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Originally Posted by Rach View Post

I will get mine this afternoon and I couldn't be more excited. I have heard nothing but good things from reputable folks. Now I need to figure out a way to use the Darbee with OTA HD broadcasts.

This is something that a lot of us are interested in with whatever less amount of compression is coming over the air. I was one of the early adoptors trying anything to get HD. I had a 15' mast and many experimental antenna mounted to my air conditioning compressor on the roof and guy wired. And layed on my belly hanging over the edge looking upside down through window at night at JVC G10 projector's image..........trying to see if last 1/2" turn on the mast biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif helped with the one station I could sometimes get, KNBC. I'm too close to the mountains. But someone did post a few pages back I believe that OTA HDTV was in another league with DVP. Would be great to hear from any others still getting signals that way.

edit....just remembered....it was like 11 years ago....I "tried" to see the screen area that way but couldn't, through a transom window behind the projector even though it is a flat roofed area. So was even bigger pain to get on back on ladder each time and drop to level where could see thru the window.
Edited by RonF - 8/7/12 at 12:55pm
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post #1916 of 6105
8/7/12 at 12:56pm
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This is something that a lot of us are interested in with whatever less amount of compression is coming over the air. I was one of the early adoptors trying anything to get HD. I had a 15' mast and many experimental antenna mounted to my air conditioning compressor on the roof and guy wired. And layed on my belly hanging over the edge looking upside down through window at night at JVC G10 projector's image..........trying to see if last 1/2" turn on the mast biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif helped with the one station I could sometimes get, KNBC. I'm too close to the mountains. But someone did post a few pages back I believe that OTA HDTV was in another league with DVP. Would be great to hear from any others still getting signals that way.

I might have been the source. I'm using a traditional VHF/UHF antenna under my roof area. It's pointing in the direction of San Francisco's Sutro Tower from my townhouse here about 25 miles away in Alameda. Using it with a Channel Master amp and into a Tivo HD. I get all the local ATSC stations including San Jose. I'd had both DirecTV and Comcast in the past and these both compressed programs noticeably. This feeds into a Lumagen XS then Darblet and finally the JVC RS35 projector. I'm awaiting the Darblet version 3? today so I can run 4:2:2 from the Lumagen through the Darblet and finally the JVC. What I've seen with RGB and OTA is really impressive. The Olympic coverage has been wonderful, as has all the programming. You can really see the differences between high quality programming and the cheesy local commercials more than ever.

Depending on your source you may not have all that much control over the color space or other variables. In the case of my Tivo HD what I find is that I set the Lumagen for 4:4:4 on the input side which seems to satisfy the Tivo.
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post #1917 of 6105
8/7/12 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by IceTBC View Post

I've also checked the Darblet against the Spears and Munsil calibration disk and there are no changes to any of the test images I looked at (pluge, gray scale, sharpness).

The only test patterns on that discs that the Darblet visibly affects are the Chroma and Luma Zone Plates. These are clearly the portions of the video signal that the Darblet adjusts to work its magic.
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post #1918 of 6105
8/7/12 at 2:22pm
There are no consumer displays whereby the consumer can align te panels and correspondingly the pixels to obtain better convergence. several manufascturers use trick to spli info between adjoining pixels thereby also incorporating the space between the pixels to make the actual projected lines converge but in actually this trick reduces sharpness and resolution but gosh golly makes convergence complaints by consumers go away.
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8/7/12 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

Yes but the website may not be updated.
Call them to order one to see if they are in stock.

We have them in stock but not with the firmware with the Lumagen fix. We will not be placing them on our webstore because we wouldn't ba able to tell if an ordere need the Lumagen fix.. When you order we will adsk. If you need the fix we will not ship you one from our current stock. Yes. The firmware is the latest but without the Lumagen fix.

If you have one without the Lumagen fix, then you need to contact Darbee for a replacement.
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post #1920 of 6105
8/7/12 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

Can soomeone tell me what the latest firmware number the most current darblets are shipping with. Thanks in advance

If you can adjust it by 1% increments, then you have the updated firmware, which is version 1.3.21.
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