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post #2041 of 7863
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Originally Posted by sjschaff View Post

My JVC RS35 doesn't have a "Superwhite" but the Standard input for HDMI provides 16-235 while Enhanced is 0-255. Maybe the RS1 or another model offered the Superwhite. I think my older Epson 1080 did have this setting as well. Seems a generational thing in the projector business.

RS1 doesn't have a super white!
post #2042 of 7863
I highly recommend Universal's 100th Anniversary release of Jaws on Bluray with the Darblet - it is almost holographic!


post #2043 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Mimioguy View Post

I highly recommend Universal's 100th Anniversary release of Jaws on Bluray with the Darblet - it is almost holographic!


Waiting for USPS to get it to my door from Amazon. Never felt the DVD was anywhere near what I recall seeing in the theater.
post #2044 of 7863
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Originally Posted by DarbeeDr View Post

From our Engineer:
For software version 2.8.2214, firmware version 1.3.21:
Input Colorspace Internal Processing Colorspace Output Colorspace(s)
YCrCb 4:2:2 RGB Video Range YCrCb 4:2:2
YCrCb 4:4:4 RGB Video Range YCrCb 4:4:4
RGB 16-235 RGB Video Range RGB 16-235
RGB 0-255 RGB PC Range RGB 0-255
-DD
~William

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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Mine says software version 2.8.2205
Firmware is right.

The software version I have is different as mentioned above. Mine is from the " latest batch " apparently so any ideas why mine is different??
post #2045 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

The software version I have is different as mentioned above. Mine is from the " latest batch " apparently so any ideas why mine is different??

When I think of the difference between firmware and software the former would, seemingly, affect the way the processing at the core would be done. I would clearly expect that the most recent change was for the "corner" condition exhibited by inclusion of the Lumagen processor in the video chain.

Software, you'd think, would have more to do with how the Darblet interface works with the user controls, buttons, etc.

But, unless DarbeeVision is willing to create a release note for each firmware/software change, it would be exceedingly difficult to tell where the differences, if any, exist.

The current user's guide 20120426a on the web site has not changed with any changes in the hardware and from what I can tell, the behavior of the device doesn't seem to have changed relative to the document.
post #2046 of 7863
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Originally Posted by sjschaff View Post

When I think of the difference between firmware and software the former would, seemingly, affect the way the processing at the core would be done. I would clearly expect that the most recent change was for the "corner" condition exhibited by inclusion of the Lumagen processor in the video chain.
Software, you'd think, would have more to do with how the Darblet interface works with the user controls, buttons, etc.
But, unless DarbeeVision is willing to create a release note for each firmware/software change, it would be exceedingly difficult to tell where the differences, if any, exist.
The current user's guide 20120426a on the web site has not changed with any changes in the hardware and from what I can tell, the behavior of the device doesn't seem to have changed relative to the document.

Thanks Steve.
post #2047 of 7863
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Originally Posted by sjschaff View Post

Waiting for USPS to get it to my door from Amazon. Never felt the DVD was anywhere near what I recall seeing in the theater.

looking forward in getting my copy soon. The pics look good.
post #2048 of 7863
Will be getting the Lorax in 3D tomorrow. Planning to fire that up with the Darbee on POP at around 65%. Can only imagine how insane that's going to look as the movie is already pretty juiced up as it is. biggrin.gif
post #2049 of 7863
Just checked mine, I received my Darbee 08/08/2012 from Solid Signal which is suppose to be the newest Software version 2.8.2205 Firmware version 1.3.21. So you are not alone Franin.
post #2050 of 7863
I can confirm the magenta flash when changing resolutions with this combination: DirecTv DVR -> Lumagen Mini -> Darbee -> Projector

This only happens with the Lumagen Mini set to output YCrCb 4:2:2 or YCrCb 4:4:4 colorspace - no flash when using RGB.

Latest Firmware (w/Lumagen fix)
post #2051 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Bluvette View Post

Just checked mine, I received my Darbee 08/08/2012 from Solid Signal which is suppose to be the newest Software version 2.8.2205 Firmware version 1.3.21. So you are not alone Franin.

Thankyou bluvette smile.gif
post #2052 of 7863
Having an intermittent problem with the Darbee... I have one with latest firmware, have Darbee between my Denon 4311 and Epson 6010 projector. In my Denon I have it setup to display onscreen GUI such as display when you change the volume which I find convenient. Sometimes the onscreen display of volume doesn't display since I included the Darbee between the Denon and the projector. When the problem occurs typically if I activate the Denon GUI to get to menu system I get the GUI to come on after some weird flashing then if I close Denon menu system on screen volume display works. This is annoying, never seen a problem like this and started happening when I got the Darbee.

P.S. someone asked about how Darbee works with Popcorn Hour, no problems with mine, works great. I also have a Roku for streaming and DISH Hopper DVR both work fine. I have an Oppo BDP-93 and haven't tried that yet.
Edited by WynsWrld98 - 8/9/12 at 11:03pm
post #2053 of 7863
Hey guys I just read the review of the darbee darblet on uk's avforums and it wasn't favorable. I believe they gave it average as an overall score. I forget the details but they said it deviates the picture from the standards or something like that. What do you guys think of that review? Is the darbee really worth owning?
post #2054 of 7863
This product is definitely going to require more firmware updates in future. Do we have to ship it back every time? :-(
post #2055 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Mimioguy View Post

I highly recommend Universal's 100th Anniversary release of Jaws on Bluray with the Darblet - it is almost holographic!



Gif image of those two frames

post #2056 of 7863
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Originally Posted by JeffY View Post

If you switch 'off' the DVP is it a true passthrough or does it still do a colour space conversion?

It still involves a color space conversion. The conversion is 1:1 if the colors have appropriate representation in the RGB color space.

-DD

~William
post #2057 of 7863
For those who think that the Darblet is doing something to the video that the director did not intend I ask you this: Have you seen the uncompressed version of that film? To me the Darblet is reversing the compression process.
post #2058 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

looking forward in getting my copy soon. The pics look good.

How long did shipping take with USPS? Stamps.com reports mine in Chicago since the 4th of August. Do you think it is already on its way to Germany? rolleyes.gif
post #2059 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Nima View Post

How long did shipping take with USPS? Stamps.com reports mine in Chicago since the 4th of August. Do you think it is already on its way to Germany? rolleyes.gif

It probably won't be updated until it reaches you. That's how it usually works. International Shipping is always behind on their tracking system.
post #2060 of 7863
Just curious... Have you guys tried going from DirecTV into Darblet then into mini3D? Just for the heck of it?

I put my Edge Green back in for some pre season football last night (wanted to send PC Levels out) and I could not get them to stop flashing and stuttering going from Edge to Darblet to projector. I switched the order and it worked. The only issue I encountered was the Edge would lock up when doing menu adjustments. For some reason the Darblet would "kidnap" it after a few minutes. Of course if I stay off the Edge's remote all is well. I was just checking some things. I will experiment more today. We had company over and it was getting late...
post #2061 of 7863
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Just curious... Have you guys tried going from DirecTV into Darblet then into mini3D? Just for the heck of it?
I put my Edge Green back in for some pre season football last night (wanted to send PC Levels out) and I could not get them to stop flashing and stuttering going from Edge to Darblet to projector. I switched the order and it worked. The only issue I encountered was the Edge would lock up when doing menu adjustments. For some reason the Darblet would "kidnap" it after a few minutes. Of course if I stay off the Edge's remote all is well. I was just checking some things. I will experiment more today. We had company over and it was getting late...

I was wondering the same thing. When I get mine back, and if I still have a color space issue, I will try to put the Darbee in front of the Lumagen.
post #2062 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Geof View Post

I can confirm the magenta flash when changing resolutions with this combination: DirecTv DVR -> Lumagen Mini -> Darbee -> Projector
This only happens with the Lumagen Mini set to output YCrCb 4:2:2 or YCrCb 4:4:4 colorspace - no flash when using RGB.
Latest Firmware (w/Lumagen fix)

Just to be 100% - if its not too much trouble can you remove the Darbee from the chain and then confirm you have no magenta flash with 4:2:2 or 4:4:4. This is the part of the experiment that proves definitely that the Darbee's presence plays a role, though we still do not know if this falls more on Darbee or more on the Radiance in terms of where the problem is. When I removed the Darbee the magenta flash went away in 4:2:2 and 4:4:4.
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Originally Posted by Pain Infliction View Post

I was wondering the same thing. When I get mine back, and if I still have a color space issue, I will try to put the Darbee in front of the Lumagen.

Do you mean you are going to do this just as a test? I can't see this as a possible solution because even if it works you'd only have the Darbee for one of your sources right? To have it work with all sources it must come after the Lumagen assuming all your sources are being switched by the Radiance, which is what I have in my setup.
post #2063 of 7863
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Originally Posted by SED <--- Rules View Post

Hey guys I just read the review of the darbee darblet on uk's avforums and it wasn't favorable. I believe they gave it average as an overall score. I forget the details but they said it deviates the picture from the standards or something like that. What do you guys think of that review? Is the darbee really worth owning?

http://www.avforums.com/reviews/DarbeeVision-Visual-Presence-DVP-5000-Darbee-Darblet-Video-Enhancement-Device-Review_352/Review.html

This reviewer states his bias against any form of image manipulation right up front. He then sets the Darblet to a 70% level (too high), never stating whether the mode is Full Pop, Gaming, or HD, and proceeds to criticize the over-enhanced appearance. Had he done his viewing and zone plate tests using HD 30% it would have been a completely different write up, unless his intent was to show that image enhancement devices should be avoided.
Edited by henrich3 - 8/10/12 at 6:42am
post #2064 of 7863
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Originally Posted by DarbeeDr View Post

From our Engineer:
For software version 2.8.2214, firmware version 1.3.21:
Input Colorspace Internal Processing Colorspace Output Colorspace(s)
YCrCb 4:2:2 RGB Video Range YCrCb 4:2:2
YCrCb 4:4:4 RGB Video Range YCrCb 4:4:4
RGB 16-235 RGB Video Range RGB 16-235
RGB 0-255 RGB PC Range RGB 0-255
-DD
~William
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Originally Posted by Geof View Post

Thank you!!
As posted above, this is different from the online user manual on your web site but (as I suspected) that was before the Colorspace firmware modification.
Code:
Input Colorspace       Internal Processing Colorspace    Output Colorspace(s)
YCrCb 4:2:2                   RGB Video Range                YCrCb 4:2:2
YCrCb 4:4:4                   RGB Video Range                YCrCb 4:4:4
RGB 16-235                    RGB Video Range                RGB 16-235
RGB 0-255                     RGB PC Range                   RGB 0-255
As shown, there are 2 colorspace changes unless the Darbee is fed with RGB Video. I think results of any colorspace setting changes is going to depend on the fidelity of the colorspace math in each of the HDMI devices.

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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

The software version I have is different as mentioned above. Mine is from the " latest batch " apparently so any ideas why mine is different??

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Originally Posted by Bluvette View Post

Just checked mine, I received my Darbee 08/08/2012 from Solid Signal which is suppose to be the newest Software version 2.8.2205 Firmware version 1.3.21. So you are not alone Franin.

I was thinking the DarbeeVision Engineer reported the latest software they have developed, which may be different than units shipped out already. As you can see from this thread, owners are discovering minor HDMI compatibility issues, so they have to be constantly working on the software. I think I am going to wait until most of the dust settles before I send mine in.

Mark
post #2065 of 7863
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Originally Posted by WynsWrld98 View Post

Having an intermittent problem with the Darbee... I have one with latest firmware, have Darbee between my Denon 4311 and Epson 6010 projector. In my Denon I have it setup to display onscreen GUI such as display when you change the volume which I find convenient. Sometimes the onscreen display of volume doesn't display since I included the Darbee between the Denon and the projector. When the problem occurs typically if I activate the Denon GUI to get to menu system I get the GUI to come on after some weird flashing then if I close Denon menu system on screen volume display works. This is annoying, never seen a problem like this and started happening when I got the Darbee.
P.S. someone asked about how Darbee works with Popcorn Hour, no problems with mine, works great. I also have a Roku for streaming and DISH Hopper DVR both work fine. I have an Oppo BDP-93 and haven't tried that yet.

I also have a 4311, but do not have the Darblet running through it yet. I need to install my Lumagen XS-3D this weekend and complete new HDMI distribution plans where the Lumagen and the Darblet will drive two displays. It should be a fun weekend. eek.gif

Mark
post #2066 of 7863
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Just to be 100% - if its not too much trouble can you remove the Darbee from the chain and then confirm you have no magenta flash with 4:2:2 or 4:4:4. This is the part of the experiment that proves definitely that the Darbee's presence plays a role, though we still do not know if this falls more on Darbee or more on the Radiance in terms of where the problem is. When I removed the Darbee the magenta flash went away in 4:2:2 and 4:4:4.
No trouble at all.....the flash does NOT happen if the Darbee is not in the path.

I would like to know more about colorspace conversion errors...perhaps an expert will chime in or direct me (us) to a previous discussion thread.

With my limited understanding it seems that multiple conversions into and out of 4:2:2 should be avoided since that means interpolating data (to make it 444 or RGB) and throwing data out (to make it 422). Seems prudent that when 422 is upsampled to 444 or RGB one should not introduce unnecessary downsampling back to 422...??
post #2067 of 7863
This threat needs less emotion and more facts. There is more hyperbole about this little device than discussions in the Theta forum.

I do not own a Darbee, as I'm still reading and learning plus even if I get one I would want the bugs worked out first. I am not committed either way. It certainly sounds intriguing and the price is reasonable. And while I try to be a purist, I will admit that I do enjoy an image with pop (currently have an LED projector) more than the image I experienced with my prior projector (Qualia 004) regardless of which is most accurate.

Howver, reading this site one gets that sense that many early adopters are so defensive about their purchase that they can't wait to pounce on anyone with a contrary opinion. Some of you need to step back, take a breath, and realize that this is an AV forum and not the presidential elections.

I'm waiting for the post that describes how the Darbee colorized someone's collection of old B&W films and they are now more enjoyable than the original so this must be how they should be viewed. Oh wait, Ted Turner already did that. Maybe he's an investor.

A perfect example occured earlier today when a member criticized the UK review by making totally false comments. The author of the review specifically stated that he only posted pictures set at 70% so readers could see what he was experiencing at lower settings. To state otherwise and then imply "evil" intentions is disingenuous at best.

Can we please have a discussion with less hysteria and fewer personal attacks?
post #2068 of 7863
Got my Darblet back last night. Projector now shows 422 input when 422 sent from my Radiance XE. No real issues that I can tell. Then again, I never had any issues before with sending either 422 or RGB out of the Radiance. I think I have the Magenta flash, but I am pretty sure I was having the same thing over the past week while the Darblet was out. Does not bother me at all, so I never really paid attention to it.
post #2069 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Perfectionist2 View Post

The author of the review specifically stated that he only posted pictures set at 70% so readers could see what he was experiencing at lower settings.

What lower settings did the reviewer evaluate? He doesn't say. The text below his 70% photos describes the "over-processed, hyper-reality" look at that level. Any Darblet owner would agree with the reviewer that the Darblet has the ability to give images an over-processed appearance, just as the color control on a display has the ability to over-saturate colors. If one exercises a little restraint with the mode & level settings however the Darblet can deliver images that appear to be better focused rather than over-processed.
Edited by henrich3 - 8/10/12 at 5:30pm
post #2070 of 7863
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Do you mean you are going to do this just as a test? I can't see this as a possible solution because even if it works you'd only have the Darbee for one of your sources right? To have it work with all sources it must come after the Lumagen assuming all your sources are being switched by the Radiance, which is what I have in my setup.

No. I have the Radiance after the AVR because it is the XD.
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