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post #2821 of 7863
That link was posted about 4-5 days ago and commented about several times since then including Kris Deering (who did the review) coming in and answering some questions. biggrin.gif
post #2822 of 7863
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

May be this will answer some questions.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7995835.html

You may find our "white paper" interesting. It is written more as a marketing piece, light on technical, an enjoyable read. Essentially, the discovery and genesis of the technology.
http://darbeevision.com/assets/documents/DarbeeVision%20Whitepaper%20with%20Tech%20Details%2020120415.pdf

The fundamental process is forehead slappingly simple and we are puzzled by why it is not intriguing to many and discussed a lot more.
I personally think that the discovery, you can embed 3D depth cues in 2D images and get a gratifying result, qualifies as one of the most important advancements for imaging in the past 100 years.

When we refer to "going beyond fidelity" (we have made some people outright mad with this claim), we are referring to these points:

The scene does not provide the information that we add to images.
Therefore, a perfect camera (one that had a "perfect ability" to capture the fidelity to the scene) would not capture the information that we add to images.
Even a perfect display (one that has a perfect ability to display 100% of the captured fidelity of the perfect camera) would not display the information that we add to images.

The decoding of the perceived depth, clarity, and detail cues/information that we add, has to happen in your head. That's why there is no decoder in hardware, it cannot happen there.

-DD
post #2823 of 7863
I got mine yesterday. Hokey hardware and the remote is beyond sad. Having said that, not problems with my DUO and my 92" Mits rear projector. Things seem to get a little dicey on some content with skin tones at a settubg 0f 50 in HD. I watched Charlie Rose in HD via OTA broadcast last night at s 50 setting in HD and I could not believe the image I was looking at. The drinking glasses had so sparkle to them I felt touch them. The detail in peoples ties was mind blowing as was the wood grain. I could see what looked like dandruff on one of the guests suit jackets.

Not all good, some skin tones on CNN seem to get to pink and the makeup got freaky. But it is a amazing image processor but the remote really, really sucks. I am now trying it at 42 in HD which helps a little bit with the bad makeup.
post #2824 of 7863
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Originally Posted by phansson View Post

So no one is having audio sync issues with the darbee in the chain? I have exhausted myself trying to find out what the issue is and the only thing that I can see is to take out the Darbee.

I also have audio sync problems when watching Blu-ray. How much out of sync varies from time to time.

Also the picture sometimes goes black for a few seconds - probably a handshake problem.

Panasonic BDT210 > Onkyo TX-NR709 > Epson 5010.

Have tried different HDMI cables and repositioning the Darby in the chain.
post #2825 of 7863
Received my Darbee from Solid Signal yesterday and hooked it up. PS3 -> Pioneer Elite VSX-53 -> Sharp Elite PRO70X5FD
Only tested it for about 20 minutes with Speed Racer and Avatar Blu-rays. I agree that it does seem like a light foggy layer has been pull away but I only really notice it when the video is paused and I'm toggling the on/off. There is improvement in clarity and contrast as the brighter areas seem to be enhanced with negligible change in the darker areas. I'll have to try Tron Legacy tonight to see how the whites really pop. Otherwise, I don't see a noticeable difference in "pop" or depth and I'm using HD 45-55% setting. It could be my set already has excellent contrast so I'm not going to see the benefits as much. Overall improvement is somewhere around 10-15% to my eyes. I did get the magenta screen and had to power off my receiver and back on to get back the image.

For $269, it's not bad although the design of the product and materials used leaves much to be desired. I'll have to figure out how to integrate this without it being noticeable on my small rack.
post #2826 of 7863
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Originally Posted by HD 335 View Post

Received my Darbee from Solid Signal yesterday and hooked it up. PS3 -> Pioneer Elite VSX-53 -> Sharp Elite PRO70X5FD. Overall improvement is somewhere around 10-15% to my eyes. For $269, it's not bad although the design of the product and materials used leaves much to be desired.

I would think a 10-15% improvement on a $7,000 TV from a $270 device seems like a steal! I hope I get a similar improvement when mine get here, although my 67" Samsung DLP isn't nearly as nice as your TV.
post #2827 of 7863
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Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

I got mine yesterday. Hokey hardware and the remote is beyond sad. Having said that, not problems with my DUO and my 92" Mits rear projector. Things seem to get a little dicey on some content with skin tones at a settubg 0f 50 in HD. I watched Charlie Rose in HD via OTA broadcast last night at s 50 setting in HD and I could not believe the image I was looking at. The drinking glasses had so sparkle to them I felt touch them. The detail in peoples ties was mind blowing as was the wood grain. I could see what looked like dandruff on one of the guests suit jackets.
Not all good, some skin tones on CNN seem to get to pink and the makeup got freaky. But it is a amazing image processor but the remote really, really sucks. I am now trying it at 42 in HD which helps a little bit with the bad makeup.

Same here with OTA broadcasts. This is the only time I switch from Hi Def mode to Full Pop. Mostly when watching Blu-ray or other film types I only can push about 55 Hi Def. And the better the source the better the result. For example, watched the 1969 version of True Grit with the Duke the other day and was amazed at just how well the Darblet did in bringing out the details of scenery and faces. This is a Blu-ray of the film. I need to dig up some quality level transfers of DVD and comparable Blu-ray to see how much difference and the types of things I will or won't see with the Darblet in play. Might prove interesting.
post #2828 of 7863
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Originally Posted by HDSapper View Post

I would think a 10-15% improvement on a $7,000 TV from a $270 device seems like a steal! I hope I get a similar improvement when mine get here, although my 67" Samsung DLP isn't nearly as nice as your TV.

I agree it is a steel at $260.00 for 10-15%. Now when you are showing your typical demo material you are going to get more than 10-15%. And a lot more ooh's and aah"s for that matter!,
Thats when it shines!
post #2829 of 7863
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Originally Posted by karlsch View Post

I also have audio sync problems when watching Blu-ray. How much out of sync varies from time to time.
Also the picture sometimes goes black for a few seconds - probably a handshake problem.
Panasonic BDT210 > Onkyo TX-NR709 > Epson 5010.
Have tried different HDMI cables and repositioning the Darby in the chain.

Mine just has trouble syncing originally, then after that it works fine. Again, I have not 100% ruled the Darbee as the culprit. I am working on troubleshooting ATM.
post #2830 of 7863
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Originally Posted by HD 335 View Post

For $269, it's not bad although the design of the product and materials used leaves much to be desired. I'll have to figure out how to integrate this without it being noticeable on my small rack.

Agreed. I attached it to the back of my rack completely put of sight, using a $15 IR extender. Doesn't look too bad this way.
post #2831 of 7863
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Originally Posted by TWD View Post

Just received my Darblet. I am running an Oppo 83 and FIOS DVR > Duo > Darblet > Panasonic 65VT50. I took a quick look at a blu ray and the DVR and checked the functions of the Darblet. From a functional stand point everything is working. I'll check out the video performance later when my room darkens.
Good service and quick response from the AVS folks. I ordered it from AVS on Friday and it delivered on Monday. Can't beat that. Thanks.
Same here, I ordered friday from AVS and Darbee was waiting for me at home when I got off work on monday! I am running my sources through a pre-pro to Darbee to Radiance to projector and DLP TV. I am outputing 4:4:4 colorspace all the way from sources to displays. So far everything is playing together nicely. First impressions were very good indeed! My DLP TV was tested first at 55% HD Darbee. SyFy, HBO, HD Locals all looked better, more detailed with more apparent depth. The projector ("JVC RS 2") was then tested with bluray and thats when I was truly impressed. I watched a little of 'John Carter' (of Mars) and 'How to Train Your Dragan' and was mesmerized by the spaciousness of the Great Halls (J C) and the detail and depth of HtTYD. As I said first impressions, I will live with Darbee a while and get back to you. Doug G.
post #2832 of 7863
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Agreed. I attached it to the back of my rack completely put of sight, using a $15 IR extender. Doesn't look too bad this way.

Same here.
post #2833 of 7863
quick question....since I run every source to my preamp, Can I just put the Darbee at the preamp end and then run the 35ft hdmi output from Darbee to projector????? This is what JoshZ was saying in his review BTW.....
post #2834 of 7863
whatever is causing you audio sync problem , it is not the darbee.I would reconsider your posting and go to a trouble shooting forum as it appears you are blaming the Darbee for something that is not related to this product.
post #2835 of 7863
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Originally Posted by HD 335 View Post

Only tested it for about 20 minutes with Speed Racer and Avatar Blu-rays. I agree that it does seem like a light foggy layer has been pull away but I only really notice it when the video is paused and I'm toggling the on/off. There is improvement in clarity and contrast as the brighter areas seem to be enhanced with negligible change in the darker areas. I'll have to try Tron Legacy tonight to see how the whites really pop. Otherwise, I don't see a noticeable difference in "pop" or depth and I'm using HD 45-55% setting. It could be my set already has excellent contrast so I'm not going to see the benefits as much. Overall improvement is somewhere around 10-15% to my eyes. I did get the magenta screen and had to power off my receiver and back on to get back the image.

As others have mentioned, a 10-15% improvement is actually something to celebrate. Over the years, most of us here have paid far more money to upgrade our equipment just to eke out even less improvement than that.

I recommend that you settle in with the device for a couple of weeks. The difference may seem subtle at first, but once you get used to it, you'll really miss it if you turn it off again.
post #2836 of 7863
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Originally Posted by KBMAN View Post

quick question....since I run every source to my preamp, Can I just put the Darbee at the preamp end and then run the 35ft hdmi output from Darbee to projector????? This is what JoshZ was saying in his review BTW.....


Yes.   Or run the 35' cable from PP to the Darblet, and then a short cable (e.g. 3 to 6 ft) from Darblet to pj.     I've done it both ways, with equal success, but in my layout I settled on having the Darb close to the pj purely for convenience in my physical layout.  

post #2837 of 7863
Hello! Just ordered from Mark and excited to try this thing out. I have read about 10-12 pages but if some one would let me if it is better to plug in closer to the projector or the receiver or does it matter? I was thinking closer to the receiver? Thanks for the help!

Edit: just saw the post above mine. Thanks.
post #2838 of 7863
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Originally Posted by KBMAN View Post

quick question....since I run every source to my preamp, Can I just put the Darbee at the preamp end and then run the 35ft hdmi output from Darbee to projector????? This is what JoshZ was saying in his review BTW.....

That's how I have mine setup. I run a 50' HDMI cable from the Darbee. So far so good. Knocks on wood.
post #2839 of 7863
Most likely will roll the dice but will return if frequent issues regardless of end result.

Just waiting for more units to be made available...

Jason
post #2840 of 7863
I am with you! It is better to wait until the unit is a stable platform and the firmware can be installed by the end user.smile.gif
post #2841 of 7863
count me in as on the waiting list through avs. noticed how solid signal has already raised the price not only at amazon, but also on their site as well. i would rather give my money towards this foundation anyway. Mark any eta? thx...
post #2842 of 7863
It appears that AVS has received some units since their ordering page indicates that it's now "in stock" and is accepting orders.
post #2843 of 7863
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Originally Posted by HDSapper View Post

I would think a 10-15% improvement on a $7,000 TV from a $270 device seems like a steal! I hope I get a similar improvement when mine get here, although my 67" Samsung DLP isn't nearly as nice as your TV.
Definitely agree, I'm satisfied with the performance this unit gives considering the price and relatively minimal negative side effects.

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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Agreed. I attached it to the back of my rack completely put of sight, using a $15 IR extender. Doesn't look too bad this way.
Great idea, thanks for the suggestion!

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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

As others have mentioned, a 10-15% improvement is actually something to celebrate. Over the years, most of us here have paid far more money to upgrade our equipment just to eke out even less improvement than that.
I recommend that you settle in with the device for a couple of weeks. The difference may seem subtle at first, but once you get used to it, you'll really miss it if you turn it off again.
I need more time with the unit in order to start seeing the benefits of the additional depth. During my brief testing yesterday evening, while the video was in motion, it was difficult for me to discern. I asked a few other Elite owners about my lack of perceived depth increase as well, so hoping to shed a bit more light there.
post #2844 of 7863
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Originally Posted by JAKEMON View Post

I am with you! It is better to wait until the unit is a stable platform and the firmware can be installed by the end user.smile.gif

I totally disagree!. Having had these units (have 2) in my systems for several weeks and there is absolutley no way I would take these out. Have not had any issues at all with either. It seems most of the issues reported seem minor at best and I would be willing to live with them considering the benefits they provide.

As stated by most here, the larger your screen or display the bigger difference you will see. Considering the minimal price for this unit, I say its a no brainer. Having to send it in for firmware updates suck but at least that option is there and this device is being supported. I can say without a doubt, the Darblet makes a bigger difference than upgrading your Blu Ray player or any other source device. This makes the Darblet the single best investment, upgrade I have ever made and since all authorized retailers are offering a 30 day return policy, what is there to think about. Life is short gentleman, so lets enjoy NOW.
post #2845 of 7863
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Originally Posted by CRAZZZY View Post

I totally disagree!. Having had these units (have 2) in my systems for several weeks and there is absolutley no way I would take these out. Have not had any issues at all with either. It seems most of the issues reported seem minor at best and I would be willing to live with them considering the benefits they provide.
As stated by most here, the larger your screen or display the bigger difference you will see. Considering the minimal price for this unit, I say its a no brainer. Having to send it in for firmware updates suck but at least that option is there and this device is being supported. I can say without a doubt, the Darblet makes a bigger difference than upgrading your Blu Ray player or any other source device. This makes the Darblet the single best investment, upgrade I have ever made and since all authorized retailers are offering a 30 day return policy, what is there to think about. Life is short gentleman, so lets enjoy NOW.
I agree just put in my order with AVS, it is just a drop in the bucket compared to what I have spent on my system !biggrin.gif
post #2846 of 7863
Convinced me.Just placed my order on new batch AVS just got in today
post #2847 of 7863
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Originally Posted by dpath View Post

It appears that AVS has received some units since their ordering page indicates that it's now "in stock" and is accepting orders.

wow that was quick,just about 4hrs ago it was e-mail waiting list..thx just ordered one....
post #2848 of 7863
i think crazzzy is just responsible for three sales.biggrin.gif
post #2849 of 7863
Any recommendations for a 6 ft HDMI cable for the darblet from monoprice?So many to choose from its overwhelming.
post #2850 of 7863
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Originally Posted by JAKEMON View Post

I am with you! It is better to wait until the unit is a stable platform and the firmware can be installed by the end user.smile.gif

That second wish may never happen. There's no connection to the device, at least in its present form.

I've had mine for a handful of days, so I thought I'd add my impressions.

Setup
Oppo 93 -- Darbee -- Sony 95ES
(my audio runs seperately)

I run both my Oppo and my projector with the sharpness set to "0", because I dislike how traditional sharpening tools affect the image (both pre- and post-Darbee). I'm not a "purist", I just find the image starts to look "funny" after adding even very modest amounts of traditional sharpening, so I've been keeping them both turned right off.


Problems
None. Well, one "reset" when I hit the on/off button about eight times in a two-second window. I have to blame that on me. Another user mentioned that same sort of reset condition earlier. I'm thinking my abuse of the on/off button threw the unit for a loop. In the other six thousand times I hit the on/off button (probably not an exaggeration), I have seen no issues.


Results
I like it. I won't be removing it. It's good. I may not run my unit as high as others, but overall I like what the unit does to almost all content.

A very general guide to my preferred starting points for various Blu-ray media:

~20% HD - for more grainy, noisy, or heavily pre-processed sources. I find even 20% too high in some cases.
~35% HD - good for most content
~45% HD - very clean transfers can handle this level
~65% HD - some animated content works well around this level
~85% HD* - I used this absurd level on some 3D content such as Avatar and HTTYD, and was completely floored by the quality of the result. WOW! Remarkable difference and completely watchable, even for a guy that dislikes "sharpening". Note that I tried "POP" with 3D material, and in my case it added ghosting, which was particularly notable in the subtitles. [* I'd like to retract this starting point - see comment at bottom]

I haven't tried the unit with any broadcast signal.

Until I started working with the Darbee, I would add a touch of saturation after calibrating to add "pop" to the image. Since adding the Darbee, I've removed that additional saturation. The Darbee provides the missing element that I was trying to find. I no longer feel the need to add saturation, and I get a notably higher sense of realism and immersion now.

Fantastic!



[edit re 3D viewing preference]

I'll have to retract my 3D setting comment above. Subsequent testing shows I was overly ambitious / delusional / drunk with respect to this statement. 85% may "work" with HTTYD, but in re-viewing today it appears overcooked. Moreso with Avatar 3D - I lowered this title to 55% max. Further testing with more varied 3D material tonight shows that for most titles the range will be more in line with that of their 2D companions.
Edited by Fat Dave - 8/28/12 at 8:04pm
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