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post #3181 of 7863
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Originally Posted by rboster View Post

The highly inappropriate (previous) comments have been deleted and infraction issued. My apologies. In the future, please use the report post to let us know when comments like that are posted vs responding to them.
We did have a former member whose actions appeared to be to disrupt the discussion...but that does not condone the blanket smearing of an entire citzenship. There is no explaining away those comments.
Let's move on to the discussion of the darbee
Thanks
Ron

Thanks Ron.....all it takes is a few people to put vinegar in the soup. I was really liking the thread about 8 pages ago. Lets all just take the gloves off and look at this (darblet) objectively, with respect to people having success OR some failure with this device......
post #3182 of 7863
I received my Darblet a couple of days ago. My receiver has a bad hdmi board and will not output hdmi. To remedy this I have an hdmi switch which I got from Amazon. This switch works well in switching between my Directv and blu-ray player without the Darbee. However, when I connect the output of the switch to the Darbee no signal is passed, either with the Darblet on or off (plugged or unplugged.) I have tried cycling the power to these devices in various order without any success. Does anyone have any suggestions? Is there an hdmi switch which does work with the Darblet? Thanks.
post #3183 of 7863
Deja vu

http://www.avsforum.com/t/601037/belkin-launch-in-cable-video-processor-pureav-razorvision/200_100

Anyone remember that thing? The Belkin PureAV RazorVision?

Is that basically what the Darbee is and what it does except obviously 7 years late and probably a lot better?


I admit to being HIGHLY skeptical of any of these kinds of devices but have been lurking this thread with interest especially when I see some of the people whose opinions I've always respected saying some of the things that they are about this.

Intriguing...
post #3184 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Q of BanditZ View Post

Deja vu

http://www.avsforum.com/t/601037/belkin-launch-in-cable-video-processor-pureav-razorvision/200_100

Anyone remember that thing? The Belkin PureAV RazorVision?

Is that basically what the Darbee is and what it does except obviously 7 years late and probably a lot better?


I admit to being HIGHLY skeptical of any of these kinds of devices but have been lurking this thread with interest especially when I see some of the people whose opinions I've always respected saying some of the things that they are about this.

Intriguing...

I remember the Belkin: I think it is still in my attic somewhere

it added a lot of noise to the picture and I am sure it affected calibration: not a good product in my opinion

not on the level of the Darbee...
post #3185 of 7863
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

I remember the Belkin: I think it is still in my attic somewhere
it added a lot of noise to the picture and I am sure it affected calibration: not a good product in my opinion

My same experience here. I think it lasted a day here at the house before I sent it back for a refund.

Quote:
not on the level of the Darbee...

Good to know. I mentioned it because it's the only ballpark frame of reference I had going into this.
post #3186 of 7863
My Darblet passed yet another "fresh eyes" test last night. My brother-in-law from Malaysia was visiting, and because he is also a committed movie and home theater enthusiast, I marched him upstairs to the theater to see DarbeeVision. With the Darblet active, I showed him the spectacular opening shot of "The Flying Swords of Dragons Gate" (A CGI flyover of an ancient Chinese harbor that challenges the breathtaking opening shot of "The Mummy"). Then I replayed the opening of the shot without the Darblet and kicked it back in about halfway through. I could hear him make an involuntary gasp as he saw the clarity and dimensionality that the Darblet brought to this deep and deeply-focused panorama.
post #3187 of 7863
Belkin RazorVision - Same "input on one end, output on the other" as the Darbee, better looking case though (on the Belkin). Funny thing, I googled (images) the Belkin RazorVision and part way into the images, you see the Darbee pop up.

Not slamming the Darbee. I got mine yesterday and am anxious to see its magic.
post #3188 of 7863
Ok, I just got my Darblet yesterday and have run into some issues. My setup is as follows: all components (Dish Hopper, PS3, etc > (3ft High Speed HDMI cables with ethernet from Monoprice) > Marantz sr7005 (HDMI 1.4) receiver > (3ft High Speed HDMI cable with ethernet from Monoprice) > Darblet > (15ft High Speed HDMI cable from Amazon) > 65" Panasonic VT50. All was fine when I started watching Dish (had the Marantz set to pass-through), but I decided I wanted to see the results using the Marantz' ABT 2015 to scale to 1080p before going to the Darblet. When I changed the setting in the Marantz menu, I got the "no input signal detected" on the TV (and no blue video LED on the Darblet), but audio passed through just fine. So I decided to fire up the PS3, and got the same result Back to Dish, and setting the Marantz to output 720p and 1080i both worked fine. Next, I switched the short Marantz-to-Darbee HDMI cable and got all the same results, so I moved the Darbee next to the TV (switching the long HDMI run to "in" and the short HDMI run to "out," exact same results. Finally, I removed the Marantz from the chain (to eliminate the long HDMI cable as a variable), and got video, but it had the "bad HDMI cable" sparkles. To me, this seems like an issue of the Darblet not passing a 1080p signal SPECIFICALLY from my Marantz, but I also find that to be very strange, so I was hoping someone here could offer some outside advice (or force me to look at this in a different way) before I pack this otherwise great device up and ship it back.
Edited by kevin_mahaney - 9/5/12 at 4:07pm
post #3189 of 7863
watched the lorax w/ my daughter a few nights ago. this must be one helluva blu-ray transfer because it looked phenomenal w/ the darbee.
post #3190 of 7863
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Originally Posted by andy sullivan View Post

My unit was shipped today. Can't wait to see how it performs on my Sony 60A3000 since I haven't seen where anybody here has tried that combination.

Andy, please let me know what you think. I have the same TV. Thanks man.
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post #3192 of 7863
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

Darblet arrived yesterday after what seemed like a long wait.
I was surprised at how small the unit it in real life. I never looked at the size specs, but it is pretty small, which is nice.
Hooking up was a breeze.
Then, despite having a milion other things to do last night, I wanted to try it out. I popped in the latests Transformers movie (blu-ray) and gave it a spin. I was comparing 0% to 60% HD Darbee.
Honestly, I saw a difference, but wasn't like "WOW, this is so amazing!"
Maybe it was the film grain that they have in that movie. I know that it isn't as much grain as Safe House, but maybe that is it...
I need to find a movie without any added film grain.....
Not giving up yet, but in 30 minutes of changing scenes, it wasn't terribly impressive. The box DOES work, and DOES give the perception of increased clarity. Just need to try other material I guess.
Setup is a Sony BD ---> Onkyo 709 ---> Darbee ---> JVC RS45
Projector was calibrated 3 weeks ago.

I tried the Darbee with Transformers - Dark of the Moon as well. The improvements were notably less impressive with this title than many others. I believe this is because of the very high saturation / contrast / sharpness that is cooked in to this movie (and most other Michael Bay features). I had to dial down my Darbee to I think HD 25%, as settings above that seemed to give me a more negative reaction. I still found using the Darbee preferable to the native image, but it made less impact in this case.

Try some other titles that aren't as "cooked" in post-production, and I think you'll have significantly more favorable results.

As DarbeeDr so aptly mentioned just above; "We ask the user to opt in when it makes for a pleasant benefit and opt out when it is distracting." Some titles I find look best to me when I run the Darbee at very low levels, and consequently the unit has only a slight impact on the overall image, whereas other titles I can run at a more aggressive level and find a significant improvement in the perceived picture quality.

For those that run with some sharpness added in by another device (player or display device), I would recommend turning it right off, and trying to just use the Darbee. You might be pleasantly surprised at how much more natural the presentation becomes, even using more aggressive Darbee settings than you currently use. Or you may find that I'm way off base... As always, YMMV!!
post #3193 of 7863
I too have a Sony a3000 and been following this thread. I can't wait to see your opinion of any improvement. as I would like to wait to upgrade as the Sony still looks pretty good.

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post #3194 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Fat Dave View Post

For those that run with some sharpness added in by another device (player or display device), I would recommend turning it right off, and trying to just use the Darbee. You might be pleasantly surprised at how much more natural the presentation becomes, even using more aggressive Darbee settings than you currently use. Or you may find that I'm way off base... As always, YMMV!!

Good suggestion. Mine is on the way, but I do have the sharpness on my Mits HC3800 PJ 1 or 2 clicks above what a TEST sharpness screen would say. On normal video content, I notice better sharpness with no ill effects, other than the test screen of course. But yeah, gonna try the sharpness clicked down a little with the darbee.
post #3195 of 7863
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Originally Posted by JAKEMON View Post

DD This product sounds like it is truly revolutionary in the way displays present material that is pleasing to the eye. For years we have looked to the objective analysis from calibrators and videophiles alike in providing test pattern and other measurement devices to quantify results that are in many cases beyond human visual perception. I have enjoyed reading the reviews and posts within this forum and have decided to purchase a unit to provide my own subjective analysis. This is quite refreshing and innovative perhaps we will see this implemented in display technology so that all can marvell at this most execellent of achievments!
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I received my Darbee Darblet and put it to the test using my Sony Playstation via Denon AVPA1HDCI processor to the Pioneer Kuro 141FD 60" Plasma. I used Peter Jacksons' King Kong DVD as my source material and actually observed the improvement in visual sharpness as well as fine line detail in fabrics, leaves, facial details, etc. I was comfortable using between 45% and 50% in the HD (Green) mode. The unit does make an enhancement that is really noticed in image stills however, the moving images on screen are not as pronounced in clarity and detail. I certainly would concur that it is about a 10 to 15% improvement. Also this seems to brighten the image and improve sharpen shadow detail. I am however, not a fan of the packaging and lack of custom integration features. To be functional in my system It would have to allow me to set custom settings for different source material and devices. It is a wonderful technology and the visual improvement is certainly there. I just need more from a custom installation perspective . I would suggest a better case perhaps machined with rs232c for every setting 0 - 100% and all modes of operation , better warranty and of course web integrated menu that allows user to update firmware. I will be returning mine tomorrow. Thanks for the Swift Shipping AV Science!
post #3196 of 7863
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Originally Posted by kevin_mahaney View Post

Ok, I just got my Darblet yesterday and have run into some issues. My setup is as follows: all components (Dish Hopper, PS3, etc > (3ft High Speed HDMI cables with ethernet from Monoprice) > Marantz sr7005 (HDMI 1.4) receiver > (3ft High Speed HDMI cable with ethernet from Monoprice) > Darblet > (15ft High Speed HDMI cable from Amazon) > 65" Panasonic VT50. All was fine when I started watching Dish (had the Marantz set to pass-through), but I decided I wanted to see the results using the Marantz' ABT 2015 to scale to 1080p before going to the Darblet. When I changed the setting in the Marantz menu, I got the "no input signal detected" on the TV (and no blue video LED on the Darblet), but audio passed through just fine. So I decided to fire up the PS3, and got the same result Back to Dish, and setting the Marantz to output 720p and 1080i both worked fine. Next, I switched the short Marantz-to-Darbee HDMI cable and got all the same results, so I moved the Darbee next to the TV (switching the long HDMI run to "in" and the short HDMI run to "out," exact same results. Finally, I removed the Marantz from the chain (to eliminate the long HDMI cable as a variable), and got video, but it had the "bad HDMI cable" sparkles. To me, this seems like an issue of the Darblet not passing a 1080p signal SPECIFICALLY from my Marantz, but I also find that to be very strange, so I was hoping someone here could offer some outside advice (or force me to look at this in a different way) before I pack this otherwise great device up and ship it back.

You say that all was fine when your AVR was set for pass-through mode. Was it fine in pass-through mode even when your sources were outputting 1080p? Just wondering if hard-coding the resolution in the AVR triggers the problem but having the AVR pass through 1080p from a source does not. If so, leave your AVR in pass-through mode and notify Marantz tech support about the issue.

You removed the AVR & the long cable from the video chain and got a noisy image. Short HDMI cables can be a problem. HDMI chips are typically EQ'ed for at least a 6' cable length according to Lumagen support. I would swap out the three footers for a couple of 6' cables:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024008&p_id=3992&seq=1&format=2

Here's a 15'er:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024004&p_id=3663&seq=1&format=2
post #3197 of 7863
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Originally Posted by JAKEMON View Post

I received my Darbee Darblet and put it to the test using my Sony Playstation via Denon AVPA1HDCI processor to the Pioneer Kuro 141FD 60" Plasma. I used Peter Jacksons' King Kong DVD as my source material and actually observed the improvement in visual sharpness as well as fine line detail in fabrics, leaves, facial details, etc. I was comfortable using between 45% and 50% in the HD (Green) mode. The unit does make an enhancement that is really noticed in image stills however, the moving images on screen are not as pronounced in clarity and detail. I certainly would concur that it is about a 10 to 15% improvement. Also this seems to brighten the image and improve sharpen shadow detail. I am however, not a fan of the packaging and lack of custom integration features. To be functional in my system It would have to allow me to set custom settings for different source material and devices. It is a wonderful technology and the visual improvement is certainly there. I just need more from a custom installation perspective . I would suggest a better case perhaps machined with rs232c for every setting 0 - 100% and all modes of operation , better warranty and of course web integrated menu that allows user to update firmware. I will be returning mine tomorrow.

So, you've experienced "a 10 to 15% improvement" in PQ with the Darblet, yet you're returning it for not having features that you knew it didn't have when you ordered it? confused.gif
post #3198 of 7863
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Originally Posted by henrich3 View Post

It seems odd that you've experienced "a 10 to 15% improvement" in PQ with the Darblet, yet you're returning it for not having features that you knew it didn't have when you ordered it... confused.gif

Sounds like somebody that will wait for the improved version in year or two.
post #3199 of 7863
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Originally Posted by henrich3 View Post

You say that all was fine when your AVR was set for pass-through mode. Was it fine in pass-through mode even when your sources were outputting 1080p? Just wondering if hard-coding the resolution in the AVR triggers the problem but having the AVR pass through 1080p from a source does not. If so, leave your AVR in pass-through mode and notify Marantz tech support about the issue.
You removed the AVR & the long cable from the video chain and got a noisy image. Short HDMI cables can be a problem. HDMI chips are typically EQ'ed for at least a 6' cable length according to Lumagen support. I would swap out the three footers for a couple of 6' cables:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024008&p_id=3992&seq=1&format=2
Here's a 15'er:
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024004&p_id=3663&seq=1&format=2

Thank you for the reply. Yes, even when set to pass-through, 1080p sources running through the Marantz produce no video (but do send audio). The noisy image was with the long cable bypassing the receiver, but I went ahead and tried a 6' in place of the 3' and still got no video. Interestingly, I just forced the Marantz to send 1080p 24Hz and the video gets sent just fine, except that it isn't watchable because of framerate issues. What's throwing me is that the blue LED on the Darbee that lights for a video signal doesn't light at all when sending anything 1080p (scaled or native) through the receiver. Also, I'm pretty sure I have the latest firmware (1.3.21), but could someone confirm for me? Thanks again.
post #3200 of 7863
Received my Darbee today and hooked it up to my Epson 5010 projecting on a 133" Da-lite High Power screen. So far I am loving the results! NFL game tonight looks great, been toggling back and forth between 60% HD and game and have decided to leave it on game setting for tonight's game. So far great product and a great addition to the theater room.
post #3201 of 7863
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Originally Posted by kevin_mahaney View Post

Thank you for the reply. Yes, even when set to pass-through, 1080p sources running through the Marantz produce no video (but do send audio). The noisy image was with the long cable bypassing the receiver, but I went ahead and tried a 6' in place of the 3' and still got no video. Interestingly, I just forced the Marantz to send 1080p 24Hz and the video gets sent just fine, except that it isn't watchable because of framerate issues. What's throwing me is that the blue LED on the Darbee that lights for a video signal doesn't light at all when sending anything 1080p (scaled or native) through the receiver. Also, I'm pretty sure I have the latest firmware (1.3.21), but could someone confirm for me? Thanks again.

Sounds like it's defective. Contact Darbee tech support.
post #3202 of 7863
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Originally Posted by henrich3 View Post

Sounds like it's defective. Contact Darbee tech support.

Thanks again for the responses. I'll give them a call tomorrow.
post #3203 of 7863
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Originally Posted by kevin_mahaney View Post

Thanks again for the responses. I'll give them a call tomorrow.

I was laying in bed, trying to sleep, and one final variable popped into my head: the other HDMI video out on my receiver. Moved over to HDMI 2 out (non-ARC output), and everything's fine. I guess it had something to do with the communication between the TV and the receiver. Strange.
post #3204 of 7863
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

I remember the Belkin: I think it is still in my attic somewhere
it added a lot of noise to the picture and I am sure it affected calibration: not a good product in my opinion
not on the level of the Darbee...
I sold my Belkin for the same reasons. Darbee is the best thing that happened to my 6010 due to the picture being to soft for my likings. darbee brought new life to my 6010.
post #3205 of 7863
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Originally Posted by JAKEMON View Post

smile.gif
I received my Darbee Darblet and put it to the test using my Sony Playstation via Denon AVPA1HDCI processor to the Pioneer Kuro 141FD 60" Plasma. I used Peter Jacksons' King Kong DVD as my source material and actually observed the improvement in visual sharpness as well as fine line detail in fabrics, leaves, facial details, etc. I was comfortable using between 45% and 50% in the HD (Green) mode. The unit does make an enhancement that is really noticed in image stills however, the moving images on screen are not as pronounced in clarity and detail. I certainly would concur that it is about a 10 to 15% improvement. Also this seems to brighten the image and improve sharpen shadow detail. I am however, not a fan of the packaging and lack of custom integration features. To be functional in my system It would have to allow me to set custom settings for different source material and devices. It is a wonderful technology and the visual improvement is certainly there. I just need more from a custom installation perspective . I would suggest a better case perhaps machined with rs232c for every setting 0 - 100% and all modes of operation , better warranty and of course web integrated menu that allows user to update firmware. I will be returning mine tomorrow. Thanks for the Swift Shipping AV Science!

A quick note about motion and visual attention.

The human visual system will always be attracted to motion over spatial detail.

Therefore, DVP attempting to precondition an image for improved spatial attention will be reduced any time motion is dominant in the scene.

Similar to why movie makers throttle 3D back, when there is a lot of motion in the scene.

-DD
post #3206 of 7863
Got my Darbee a couple days ago, and watch different material. So far, the biggest improvement was HDTV. A dramatic improvement. The contrast improved so much that I forgot I using a W7000 and not my RS55. Bright, sharp, clear, and great motion with extra contrast make sports look amazing. I played Madden 13 but I only have my Acer H5360 to compare it too, which isn't a match. Looked great tho and played some 3D gaming too. Also, was an improvement. The movies that excel on DLPs like Avatar, Journey 2, and animations looked better than I remember. In all, great product and worth the money.
post #3207 of 7863
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Originally Posted by kevin_mahaney View Post

I was laying in bed, trying to sleep, and one final variable popped into my head: the other HDMI video out on my receiver. Moved over to HDMI 2 out (non-ARC output), and everything's fine. I guess it had something to do with the communication between the TV and the receiver. Strange.

Think there was another ARC related issue a week or so ago too? I did have another reset on my Darby. Fired up my components, and all settings had been reset, incl. fine increment adjustment.
post #3208 of 7863
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Originally Posted by GLW65 View Post

I received my Darblet a couple of days ago. My receiver has a bad hdmi board and will not output hdmi. To remedy this I have an hdmi switch which I got from Amazon. This switch works well in switching between my Directv and blu-ray player without the Darbee. However, when I connect the output of the switch to the Darbee no signal is passed, either with the Darblet on or off (plugged or unplugged.) I have tried cycling the power to these devices in various order without any success. Does anyone have any suggestions? Is there an hdmi switch which does work with the Darblet? Thanks.

I've used a kinivo 3X1 preminum, and a monoprice 3X1 enhanced. Both gave me a green image on startup, but cycling the switch fixes it. I did have some luck with setting the darby to "no darby" (no processing), and getting a good handshake that way, for a few days, but now the green image is appearing again. HDMI, who knew??
post #3209 of 7863
Just discovered something else... the better calibrated the display is the better the Darblet seems to function without causing objectionable images.

It appears it does not just get better the higher the quality of the source is but also more appealing with a properly calibrated display.

I played around with various display modes on a couple different displays and each time my calibrated mode looked the cleanest.

Most out of the box presets looked fairly poor with the Darblet and I found that I could not push it as high as my calibrated mode even when using very high quality source material (like CGI animation).

It seemed the worst offenders were the brightest factory presets, these modes caused the most issues with the resulting Darblet image.

The out of the box preset modes still had the basic settings set properly... contrast, brightness, sharpness, etc. just no greyscale or gamut calibration.

So this has me wondering how many users are actually seeing this device at it's best, is it likely that those of us with 6500K/D65 displays are the only ones seeing it reach it's full potential...?

I do not proclaim this to be fact for everyone but for me there is no doubt that it holds true, so take it as you will.


* Oh and one other small observation... it does almost nothing with hand drawn animation, like Lion King. So if anime is your thing you'll probably see little to no gain from the Darblet.

Jason
Edited by DaGamePimp - 9/6/12 at 3:41am
post #3210 of 7863
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Originally Posted by kevin_mahaney View Post

I was laying in bed, trying to sleep, and one final variable popped into my head: the other HDMI video out on my receiver. Moved over to HDMI 2 out (non-ARC output), and everything's fine. I guess it had something to do with the communication between the TV and the receiver. Strange.

Good catch! You should still contact Darbee tech support to let them know about the problem. Perhaps a firmware update could prevent others from experiencing the same trouble you did.
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