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post #3751 of 7863
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Isn't a reasonable "fix" for the reset issue to not switch modes rapidly? I'm not sure under what circumstances one might want to rapidly and repeatedly change modes. Perhaps you can explain?

I was not doing fast but frequent which means i was trying different modes and up/down to see the better PQ on different scene in same movie which trigger that reset seems like bug in their software, also not necessary that you will hit this issue or may be. wink.gif
post #3752 of 7863
I agree since first use of the darbee is going to be all about trying different modes and settings.
post #3753 of 7863
Of the two times mine reset, once it was overnight. I don't think the constant interaction with the unit, is the only contributing factor.
post #3754 of 7863
Let Darbee company know this since they are working on an answer and so far its the fast use of setting changes.
post #3755 of 7863
So people are using this Darblet device along with a DUO? Doesn't the DUO also have similar features?
post #3756 of 7863

Sv: Darbee vision darblet

Still waiting for my darbee v3 from uk seller..have been some delay because of revised remote smile.gif

GT-i9300 CM10
post #3757 of 7863
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Originally Posted by mattg3 View Post

Received a reply from Darbee company that the reset issue may be caused by a software glitch connected with fast pushing of setting change buttons.Company would like feedback from those who have had this issue.

I haven't had any reset problems with the Darbee so far - but may be it's time for someone affected to start a 'poll' thread to keep track of these problems, especially if the company wants feedback.
post #3758 of 7863
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Originally Posted by larrimore View Post

I recieved my Darblet yesterday and hooked it up at the end of my chain on top of my projector (Optoma HD3300 3D DLP). I only had about an hour with it, but I posted my initial impressions over in the HD3300 forum. It did work fine with my run of DVI cable in my ceiling and had no issues at all.
I can tell you that the Darby works great with the 3300 and definitely adds something to the picture. As others have said, it kind of "lifts a veil" from the image. I will compare it to having a smart phone or computer screen with a screen protector on it, and the "ah ha" you get when you remove the screen protector after a few weeks of using it. You never noticed it when it was there, but when you remove it, it is as if you cleaned the screen with windex.
On higher settings, as others have said, it does make the picture artificial, an almost animated look, but on high def setting and at about 45%, I can see its benefits without that issue. On sports, game and full pop settings still look good and on animation, you can pump the setting up to 60-70% with no problem and it really "pops".
I'll be playing with it more this evening, but as of now, I am pleased and most of the comments here were spot on.
I have an Optoma HD33, which is basically the same PJ, and I'd agree with your review for the most part. The difference isn't dramatic at Hi-Def 45%, but is noticeably better than w/o the Darbee effect when you look at the split-screen comparison. Going past 45% looks too digitized. Also, I sometimes get snow in my picture, and have to disconnect-then-reconnect the HDMI cable between the Darbee and my PJ. Also, occasionally getting minor reddish flares in the picture while watching content for 10-15 minutes or more. I'm guessing both have to do with the HDMI connection, but not sure.
post #3759 of 7863
Got my Darblet to work. Long story short, it was not the long HDMI cable. It had to do with the cable box > receiver > darblet > projector chain. The cable box and darblet would work fine with a direct connection to the projector but would not work with the receiver in the chain. All other components would work with component > receiver > darblet > projector.

Solution: I switched from HDMI cable to component cables with the cable box and everything works perfect. I have Grande Communications, Motorola box but don't remember the model number.

Thoughts on the Darblet: Awesome!! Just like most people say, sharpens the picture greatly, looks fantastic on HD content, remote sucks but works better if you turn it backwards. Highly recommend!!

Settings: Game at 50%. A set it and forget it setting in my setup.

Thank you all for the continued help.
post #3760 of 7863
So would this be a good replacement for an Algolith Flea? I've used my Flea for many years for Broadcast sources since it reduces some of the noise from the HD pics on broadcast. Does the darblet reduce the noise as well? The Flea is only HDMi1.2 so I can't pass DD+ from my TiVos and can only accept 1080P24.. Since the Darblet has HDMi 1.4 it wouldn't be an issue. And since it accepts up to 1080P60, I could put it on the output of my DVDO DUO and use it with all my sources.

And what is this about a version three? Does the Darblet not have upgradable firmware? I read that an earlier version did not pass the 1:1 pixel test. How do I make sure I get a Darblet that has these issues fixed?
post #3761 of 7863
A few of us have had a similar issue. The fix so far has to change the Motorola box to possibly the RNG100 or RNG200. The 100 fixed my issues.
post #3762 of 7863
I assume you were replying to my post. I just called my cable rep and got this new Tivo Premier package. One central hub and then you can watch recorded show's throughout the house. They are coming Thursday to switch out boxes. PLUS I saved a few bucks on my monthly bill smile.gif

To be honest, I could not tell a difference between the component cables and the HDMI cable on the cable box. tongue.gif
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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey View Post

A few of us have had a similar issue. The fix so far has to change the Motorola box to possibly the RNG100 or RNG200. The 100 fixed my issues.
post #3763 of 7863
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

No trick to making it work. I found that the sensor needed to be oriented properly. At first, I stuck it onto the front side of my flat panel so that the sensor received the signal from its "top". That didn't work at all, so I stuck it to the bottom edge of the flat panel so that it was now receiving the signal from its "side". That worked reasonably well, although the IR sensor is not as responsive as when the remote is pointed directly at the Darblet.
I mentioned in an earlier post--my Darblet remote came with a weak battery. My recommendation is to replace the battery with a fresh one so you can be sure you don't have a battery issue.

Thanks for your (and everyone's) suggestions. I just wanted to make sure there wasn't some hidden menu settings option to enable the IR jack that I was missing.

I tried cleaning the contact for the jack and reinserting it all the way, part way, and so on. I verified that the remote was working on the Darblet, and then tried pressing buttons while holding the remote in all directions against the sensor while rotating it from distances of 3" to a foot -- still nothing. I'll try a fresh battery before giving up on it. I guess I could have received a bad unit from Monoprice. I don't think I have a way to test it with another piece of hardware.
post #3764 of 7863
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Originally Posted by roknrol View Post

I'll try a fresh battery before giving up on it. I guess I could have received a bad unit from Monoprice. I don't think I have a way to test it with another piece of hardware.

I doubt you received a faulty extender. I tried this same one back in May and it never did work with the Darblet although it work fine with anything else I connected it to. I would suggest trying the extender that has been recommended previously in this thread. Post #2106 linked below.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet/2100#post_22296983
post #3765 of 7863
So if I order this from AVS, do they have the most recent ones with the most recent firmware?
post #3766 of 7863
After reading some further info I see that the box is not user upgradable for the firmware. What is the cost to get the box upgraded to the newest firmware and also what is the warranty period on the Darblet? I just purchased one so hopefully it works well for me.
post #3767 of 7863
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Originally Posted by roknrol View Post


 I'll try a fresh battery before giving up on it.
 
Yes, please do.  As I mentioned in an earlier post, my remote had an old battery (I could tell, because it was all scratched up).  Replacing the battery made a significant fifference in the responsiveness of the connection.
post #3768 of 7863
"Settings: Game at 50%. A set it and forget it setting in my setup."


That's my 'set and forget' setting as well......Game setting seems to be pretty good for boosting contrast for starfields in SciFi movies, but it does enhance the DNR in movies like Star Trek: The Motion Picture. In any event, I still keep it at 50% GAME wink.gif
post #3769 of 7863
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Originally Posted by praz View Post

I doubt you received a faulty extender. I tried this same one back in May and it never did work with the Darblet although it work fine with anything else I connected it to. I would suggest trying the extender that has been recommended previously in this thread. Post #2106 linked below.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet/2100#post_22296983

I wasn't getting very far using the forum search, so I just started reading starting around page 68. I ran across several responses about the IR jack and extenders. I saw that joerod had tried the Monoprice receiver and determined that it didn't work, and saw the link for the Amazon one that did. In the specifications, it lists a 3.3 to 5 volt 38kHz operating range.

I confirmed through online chat with Monoprice tech support that the receiver (PID 8060) is indeed only compatible with 5 volt systems with frequency range of 38-45kHz, and therefore that particular receiver is not going to work with the Darblet.
post #3770 of 7863
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

After reading some further info I see that the box is not user upgradable for the firmware. What is the cost to get the box upgraded to the newest firmware and also what is the warranty period on the Darblet? I just purchased one so hopefully it works well for me.

there is no cost for upgrading firmware but you will be paying shipping charge and 90 days warranty.
post #3771 of 7863
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Originally Posted by jkalsaria View Post

there is no cost for upgrading firmware but you will be paying shipping charge and 90 days warranty.

Thanks. I expected shipping charges but if they upgrade it for free that is great.

Although I am surprised that in the year 2012 they didn't set the device up for the firmware to be user upgradable.

But I guess what you get is a great deal for the price. Five years ago my Algolith HDMI Flea cost almost $1k, not to mention what all the video processors/scalers I purchased over the last ten years cost.
post #3772 of 7863
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Thanks. I expected shipping charges but if they upgrade it for free that is great.
Although I am surprised that in the year 2012 they didn't set the device up for the firmware to be user upgradable.
But I guess what you get is a great deal for the price. Five years ago my Algolith HDMI Flea cost almost $1k, not to mention what all the video processors/scalers I purchased over the last ten years cost.

I'm not sure after warranty if they will charge for upgrading or not. If you go few pages back then i have listed out few feature request needed for this device to be robust and long lasting. wink.gif
post #3773 of 7863
I thought I would share my experiences with the Darbee after 1 week of use. My setup is fairly unique being that it's quite different than any of the setups I've heard from anyone so far being that I use a wireless HDMI device. Here is my setup... My Receiver has two outputs I'm using one for my 58" plasma tv and the other for my projector.

Yamaha RX-A800 receiver---> IOGEAR GW3DHDKIT Transmitter (Wireless 3D Digital Kit with Full HD 1080P) ---> IOGEAR GW3DHDKIT Receiver ---> Darbee vision darblet ---> Panasonic PT-AE7000u Projector.

I have no noticeable lag when using the wireless HDMI kit and the picture is perfect in my eyes. But anyway, after one week I think I'm pretty set on using HD-45-50%. You can really see the difference when you pause the movie you're playing and turn the device off/on. I did have a harsh moment last night when watching Snow White and the Huntsman though. I had to turn the darbee down to about 25% on this movie otherwise I had what looked like digital noise in the picture but all the other movies I've watched so far added a great but subtle hint of extra sharpness and clarity to the image. I'd say it is worth the money but I'm still trying to figure out if HD 45-50% is the best range for most content. I have used the Full Pop a little but the picture seemed a little harsh and too contrasty if that makes sense.
post #3774 of 7863
Received my second Darblet today from AVS and hooked it to the bedroom Sony XBR4 LCD flat panel. (DirecTV->Denon 4308->Darblet->Sony). No issues. Improvements are similar to my HT Sony XBR52HX909 downstairs. Unless I start daisy-chaining Darblets, I think I am done for now... wink.gif

Edit: Software and Firmware versions have not changed (2.8.2214 and 1.3.21).
post #3775 of 7863
Reading this review of the Sony HW50ES on Projector reviews, I noticed this passage really sounds like the darbee effect!?!?!? Hmmm.....>>>>
http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog/2012/09/22/sony-vpl-hw50es-projector-review-in-process-a-first-look/#more-1853

Reality Creation – Sony’s upscaling or upverting – or up something to “4k”. All the talk doesn’t matter, it’s not 4K. What it is, however, is rather stunning dynamic detail/sharpness enhancement.

This I can say about it. I consider the goals of Reality Creation to be similar to Epson’s Super-Resolution. That said, unless there’s a real improvement in Super-Resolution on the new 5020 and 6020 Epson projectors, then I think you can count on Sony having the better implementation.

The core difference – you can get more apparent detail/sharpness out of the Sony before artifacts start giving it an artificial look. In other words you can get a sharper seeming image out of the Sony before you start noticing things you really do not want to be noticing. Enough said for now.

I’m mostly keeping Reality Creation in the 35 and under settings level. (out of 100), yet it’s still creating an impressively crisp image. If I understand correctly (waiting for a white paper), the Sony’s algorithm is smart – not just the usual upscaling type processing, but rather clever. I believe it uses facial identification, etc. That is, the Sony projector tends to know what it’s trying to enhance, so that it doesn’t go over the top on things that would be obvious.
post #3776 of 7863
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Originally Posted by KBMAN View Post

"Settings: Game at 50%. A set it and forget it setting in my setup."
That's my 'set and forget' setting as well

And mine as well! At first I stuck with HD 50% as that seemed to be about what most people were using, but in time I've gravitated definitively to Gaming 50% for all types of content: Blu-rays, PC games, low quality internet videos. I find it gives just a little taste of the Full Pop mode but without its drawbacks. HD mode meanwhile feels too conservative, overly cautious to me now.
post #3777 of 7863
mad.gif After much troubleshooting, I've had to remove the darblet for blu ray watching--With some (not all) I get severe noise that renders them unwatchable. I did a direct comparison by doing A/B with the same source, with my Oppo BDP-95's HDMI-1 output going straight to the Lumagen-Darblet--RS45 path, with HDMI-2 going to the Integra DHC-80.3-RS45 path (via input 2 on the PJ). There was no doubt that it's the darblet causing this noise, whether on or off. I, of course, researched this thread last week and tried shorter, thicker HDMI cables to see if a difference would be found, but to no avail. This is deeply troubling, as I've come to really enjoy the darblet on 3D films and more cg-heavy films, but if it renders 10-20% of my 300+ films unwatchable, then it has no place in the Blu Ray chain. Thankfully, since the Oppo feeds the Lumagen separately (with all other sources going through the 80.3, arriving at the Lumagen via 2nd input), I can still use it for gaming and other less pristine sources. This only seems to affect Blu Ray movies. I'm a bit upset about it, but hey, at least It works for all my other sources. My first inclination is to blame the blu ray player, since it's the only device being affected, BUT....the blu ray player showed no signs of extreme noise prior to darblet insertion (and once again, it's only with some movies, in some scenes.) Could it be an issue with certain lighting? I don't know. Any advice would be most helpful.
post #3778 of 7863
Could you name some of the blu-rays that this severe noise shows up on.
post #3779 of 7863
looks like the $269.00 price is gone? it was there yesterday on amazon but it's no where to be found today
post #3780 of 7863
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Originally Posted by mattg3 View Post

Could you name some of the blu-rays that this severe noise shows up on.

Sure:

Transformers: Dark of the Moon (dark scenes *edit*: and sky shots)
The Hunger Games (pretty much any scene with skin tones)
Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol (scenes in daylight outside)
War of the Worlds (throughout, although I suspect this is a grainy film by nature as it's still a bit grainy with the Darblet out of the Blu Ray chain)
Sherlock Holmes (throughout)
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