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post #4801 of 7863
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

What Josh mentioned is correct. However, if your budget really only allow youto do either or, I'd go with the Darblet and then put your TV setting to THX Cinema mode. (I also own a GT50, but I calibrated it, since I'm a calibrator myself) biggrin.gif

I was leaning towards the Darbee. I've calibrated my set with the Disney WOW disc. I'm pretty happy with the results. But yes, right now I can only do one of the two and the Darbee would be my choice. So would you say that you're happy with the Darbee? I'd be mainly using it with my Directv HD box. I've read that I won't see much of a difference with a satellite box compared to blu ray.
post #4802 of 7863
I love the Darbee soooo much I bought 4 of them (one for each display in my house). I only use cable box for my GT50 in my bedroom and I can still see a marked improvement although the most improvement comes from Blu-ray source.

Also, 100% of my client love the Darbee at first sight (literally). Close to two dozens whom I have showed the Darblet in action have installed and/or have the Darblet on order.
post #4803 of 7863
Okay, I bought a Darlet about 6 months ago and decided it didn't help my HD3300 much and returned it. I've now got remorse and with the Black Friday prices, I decided to give it another try. I will be brutally honest in my opinion, once again--more to come...
post #4804 of 7863
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Complaining about price drop during Black Friday is, quite honestly, moronic. Everybody on this forum knows that prices MAY drop during Black Friday.
Should I complain to my car dealer because there is a price drop of $5,000 3 weeks after I bought my car? Should I complain to Panasonic because the price dropped by $1,000 not long after I purchased my PT-AE7000? rolleyes.gif
I'm not rich, far from it, but those are just facts of life. Prices fluctuate.
I did not know this and I'm in this forum, might be cause I live in swe. It feels strange having a sales person from avs 1 month prior tell me it can't be sold less than 350 dollars and then a month later see it for 80 dollars less. You don't have to agree with it, I don't care about you, but I feel a bit cheated. It does not feel better that the 3d does not work with my projector (epson) like advertised. So I had to pick up a dr hdmi which cost me an extra 100 dollars, and i still have to go through a process to get it working in 3d with that.
Total I had to pay over 400 dollars for this in other words when I could have gotten it for 270 if it was working in 3d like advertised which it don't.
post #4805 of 7863
Ah, seeing you are from Sweden I can understand why you would feel cheated. I was raised in Australia with Dutch grandparents, so I know where yoi're coming from. However, on the flip side of the coin. I persoanlly would rather put this experience as a "north american shopping experience" and be done with it. The stress of thinking and dwelling about it is not worth it, in my humble opinion.

Peace. cool.gif
post #4806 of 7863
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Originally Posted by maxfilm View Post

I did not know this and I'm in this forum, might be cause I live in swe. It feels strange having a sales person from avs 1 month prior tell me it can't be sold less than 350 dollars and then a month later see it for 80 dollars less. You don't have to agree with it, I don't care about you, but I feel a bit cheated. It does not feel better that the 3d does not work with my projector (epson) like advertised. So I had to pick up a dr hdmi which cost me an extra 100 dollars, and i still have to go through a process to get it working in 3d with that.
Total I had to pay over 400 dollars for this in other words when I could have gotten it for 270 if it was working in 3d like advertised which it don't.
What Espon projector do you own?

I have the 5010 (FW v104) and the only 3D movie I've had issue (Intermittent picture drop outs) with the Darbee is Avengers blu-ray 3D.
All other blu-ray 3D's discs I've played with the 5010 & the Darbee played with no issues/drop outs.
post #4807 of 7863

Sv: Darbee vision darblet

Hi maxfilm! Fellow Swed here :-)
I only had dropouts on 3d in beginning..with my Epson tw9000...was caused by something in my oppo93...did factory reset and have not had any issues so far with 3d..
Cheers!

GT-i9300 CM10
post #4808 of 7863
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Originally Posted by terminal33 View Post

My dilemma for the past month has been whether to Darbee or to Calibrate. With the recent price reduction on the Darbee, I'm really tempted. Correct me if I'm wrong, but am I really deciding whether I want better clarity (Darbee), vs. better colors (Calibration)?
What will I be missing if I get the Darbee instead of calibrating my Panny 65GT50? Thanks.

Not an easy answer. A good calibration will sometimes amaze. It will not give anything like what the Darbee does, but depending on how well your TV was calibrated before it can really give the WOW factor after a pro calibration. To make things a little more complicated, the Darbee works best on better PQ, so a finely tuned TV should yield better results when a Darbee is used.

That said, the Darbee is amazing and when used correctly makes the picture pop with no or extremely little artifacts. If you are at least somewhat proficient in using something like a WOW disc, and/or use a setting like THX I have to think the biggest bang for the buck is the Darbee.
post #4809 of 7863
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

Not an easy answer. A good calibration will sometimes amaze. It will not give anything like what the Darbee does, but depending on how well your TV was calibrated before it can really give the WOW factor after a pro calibration. To make things a little more complicated, the Darbee works best on better PQ, so a finely tuned TV should yield better results when a Darbee is used.
That said, the Darbee is amazing and when used correctly makes the picture pop with no or extremely little artifacts. If you are at least somewhat proficient in using something like a WOW disc, and/or use a setting like THX I have to think the biggest bang for the buck is the Darbee.

I would place a real professional calibration as a much higher priority than a Darbee. It is best to have both, but if I had to choose, I would go with a true professional calibration that will properly set skin tones, grey scales, contrast, brightness, etc as well as color temperature and providing multiple picture settings: ISF day, ISF night, 3D, and Black & White. The user will only know that once it is seen and lived with. Then the Darbee enhances the detail to make it look even better.
post #4810 of 7863
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

I would place a real professional calibration as a much higher priority than a Darbee. It is best to have both, but if I had to choose, I would go with a true professional calibration that will properly set skin tones, grey scales, contrast, brightness, etc as well as color temperature and providing multiple picture settings: ISF day, ISF night, 3D, and Black & White. The user will only know that once it is seen and lived with. Then the Darbee enhances the detail to make it look even better.

and I did just that. PQ is stunning with the Darbee.
post #4811 of 7863
Calibrate then Darbletize.
post #4812 of 7863
My brain wants to agree with you, but I have to go on my experience. I took my time to get a good looking picture, using a calibration disc, and with THX settings as a guide. It of course is not up to a pro calibration. Adding the Darbee has so improved the picture, adding so much satisfaction to viewing the TV, I can't ignore that. Or that over thanksgiving my Brother-in-Laws were blown away by the picture and each has purchased a Darbee.
post #4813 of 7863
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

My brain wants to agree with you, but I have to go on my experience. I took my time to get a good looking picture, using a calibration disc, and with THX settings as a guide. It of course is not up to a pro calibration. Adding the Darbee has so improved the picture, adding so much satisfaction to viewing the TV, I can't ignore that. Or that over thanksgiving my Brother-in-Laws were blown away by the picture and each has purchased a Darbee.

But your experience has never had a professional calibration. I would suggest that you seek one out; i.e.; find a home theater system that has a calibrated display and spend some time watching it. Video calibration is done to a reference standard so that you will be able to see whatever the transfer looks like when it was done with a calibrated display. You have no idea what you are missing.
post #4814 of 7863
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

My brain wants to agree with you, but I have to go on my experience. I took my time to get a good looking picture, using a calibration disc, and with THX settings as a guide. It of course is not up to a pro calibration. Adding the Darbee has so improved the picture, adding so much satisfaction to viewing the TV, I can't ignore that. Or that over thanksgiving my Brother-in-Laws were blown away by the picture and each has purchased a Darbee.

What TV do you have? I'm wondering if a better TV will benefit less from the Darbee since it already has a good picture. I have a Panny 65GT50, which isn't the best, but pretty good. So I'm wondering if I won't benefit that much from a Darbee since I'm already viewing a pretty decent picture. My main viewing is through a Directv box (HR-24). Keeping that in mind, I'm thinking that a calibration would benefit me the most since I've read that the Darbee doesn't do much for satellite viewing.
post #4815 of 7863
Meh. I'm gonna return it.
post #4816 of 7863
I know I've only tested it on my Mits HC3800 but it is just so breathtaking that I cannot understand how others don't have a similar experience? I suppose certain displays already have such amazing calibrated shadow detail that it doesn't enhance as much. I find it quite curious... I've mentioned in an earlier post that the sharpening is pretty amazing but the BEST part is the apparent shadow detail depth it adds. * An easy way to spot this is to compare it on and off while looking at textures such as walls and the ground.

There is a scene in "The Campaign" I used several times where they are in an office with wood paneling. Turning the Darblet on and off, you can drastically see the difference with wood grain detail showing up.

This little device is just phenomenal! I will say that the before/after effects will not blow you away in EVERY scene. Be sure to readjust your expectations if this is your thinking. It is only in certain scenes where it really shines. And it really shines easily every 1-3 seconds so it is quite often. I'm just saying that not every type of imagery will blow you away. It really seems to enhance that which has a texture or shadow.

Hope this helps a little for those of you on the fence.
post #4817 of 7863
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Originally Posted by terminal33 View Post

What TV do you have? I'm wondering if a better TV will benefit less from the Darbee since it already has a good picture. I have a Panny 65GT50, which isn't the best, but pretty good. So I'm wondering if I won't benefit that much from a Darbee since I'm already viewing a pretty decent picture. My main viewing is through a Directv box (HR-24). Keeping that in mind, I'm thinking that a calibration would benefit me the most since I've read that the Darbee doesn't do much for satellite viewing.

You won't go wrong doing either probably. And I don't want to dissuade anyone from a pro calibration if they can afford it. But I want to say you have it backwards, and it has been stated several times in the thread. The Darbee works better the better the PQ. That's why if you could do a pro calibration and the Darbee that would be ideal. I have Dish Network, Roku, Blu-ray, etc.... It improves them all, and Blu-ray really benefits from it. But so does HD from satellite, and HBO GO on Roku. So if you have a good picture, a Darbee would certainly be a plus.
If you can't decide take the standard route and get a pro calibration. The post above is my feelings about the Darbee also, which is why I would consider it. By far most who are using do not have a pro calibration and you can read the glowing reviews. Problem is, I have no way of knowing how well your TV is set-up at this point......
Edited by tampa8 - 11/27/12 at 5:46pm
post #4818 of 7863
Calibrate with the Darbee Inline Prior to calibrating.- HD 55% was the Max before - 65% to 70% after Calibraton. This way the calibrating system is calibrating to the whole effect, not just the Primary, then adding the Darbee as an after thought.
post #4819 of 7863
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

Calibrate with the Darbee Inline Prior to calibrating.- HD 55% was the Max before - 65% to 70% after Calibraton. This way the calibrating system is calibrating to the whole effect, not just the Primary, then adding the Darbee as an after thought.

When I had my display calibrated, the professional calibrator had me take the Darbee out. The Darbee is then added back into the chain afterwards. If one were to calibrate with the Darbee inline, where would one set it? Would the calibration be different at HD 50%, 55%, 60%, etc? What happens to the calibration should the Darbee malfunction and have to be taken out? I don't think that your suggestion makes any sense.
post #4820 of 7863
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

When I had my display calibrated, the professional calibrator had me take the Darbee out. The Darbee is then added back into the chain afterwards. If one were to calibrate with the Darbee inline, where would one set it? Would the calibration be different at HD 50%, 55%, 60%, etc? What happens to the calibration should the Darbee malfunction and have to be taken out? I don't think that your suggestion makes any sense.

Basically, you are talking apples to oranges. The calibrator probably doesn't know a lot about the Darblet, and should LEAVE THE DARBLET IN CHAIN WHILE CALIBRATING...... Pretend that it's just an 'extension' of your display......What settings? Well, just about every person who owns one are varied from HD=45-60%......also Gaming @ 50%........that's what I would have done.......
post #4821 of 7863
Calibrating with or without the Darbee doesn't change the value of the reading by my colorimeter. So you can calibrate with or without Darbee in the chain.
post #4822 of 7863

I will say that convergence adjustment on an RPCRT was easier for me with the Darblet than it has been before. Outstanding results.

post #4823 of 7863
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

But your experience has never had a professional calibration. I would suggest that you seek one out; i.e.; find a home theater system that has a calibrated display and spend some time watching it. Video calibration is done to a reference standard so that you will be able to see whatever the transfer looks like when it was done with a calibrated display. You have no idea what you are missing.

Where did you come up with that??? Dude, I have a pro calibrated TV in the Movie theater room. Done as one of many on a Tour. I had several posts and experiences with it in the former "Spot" site. I know exactly what a pro calibration can do. But there was never a Darbee before. As I posted, if you have a good picture now, and can only do one thing and one thing only, the Darbee probably gives the biggest bang for the buck. It also will cost quite some more if you have multiple inputs calibrated.

Problem with the whole discussion is one is not a substitute for the other. Both is ideal. But when you can't do both which today many of us can not, (I can't right now on this new TV) you have to make a choice. So if you are competent in using a calibration disc, and perhaps use something like a THX settings as guide - or even the built in calibration LG has which is a good start - not fantastic) it's possible the biggest improvement -better detail better shadows, etc.. will be with a Darbee. Perfection would be a pro calibration as always but now that I have seen what a Darbee can do if set correctly I wouldn't want to be without it.
post #4824 of 7863
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Originally Posted by KBMAN View Post

Basically, you are talking apples to oranges. The calibrator probably doesn't know a lot about the Darblet, and should LEAVE THE DARBLET IN CHAIN WHILE CALIBRATING...... Pretend that it's just an 'extension' of your display......What settings? Well, just about every person who owns one are varied from HD=45-60%......also Gaming @ 50%........that's what I would have done.......

100% agree.
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Calibrating with or without the Darbee doesn't change the value of the reading by my colorimeter. So you can calibrate with or without Darbee in the chain.

I was surprised when I first read there is no change, but it appears to be true as you are confirming.
post #4825 of 7863
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

I will say that convergence adjustment on an RPCRT was easier for me with the Darblet than it has been before. Outstanding results.

Michael: You keep talking like this and I will have to jump the shark and buy this thing this weekend. The wife is looking forward to putting this under the tree for me. But man...I can hardly wait when reading things like this and the comments by Tampa8.
post #4826 of 7863
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

I was surprised when I first read there is no change, but it appears to be true as you are confirming.

I've been meaning to check a theory I have that if I could 'shrink' some test patterns small enough using my Lumagen Mini3D, then I wonder if there is a size where the Darbee will have some effect. However, for regular window or field test patterns the Darbee doesn't seem to make any difference (on or off) in my set up when measuring with my i1 display Pro. Therefore I don't think it matters either way.

I have to say that after a full calibration (DIY with Chromapure and the i1 D3) then adding the Darbee gives me excellent results with my old JVC HD350, should be even better when I get my X35. cool.gif
post #4827 of 7863
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

Where did you come up with that??? Dude, I have a pro calibrated TV in the Movie theater room. Done as one of many on a Tour. I had several posts and experiences with it in the former "Spot" site. I know exactly what a pro calibration can do. But there was never a Darbee before. As I posted, if you have a good picture now, and can only do one thing and one thing only, the Darbee probably gives the biggest bang for the buck. It also will cost quite some more if you have multiple inputs calibrated.
Problem with the whole discussion is one is not a substitute for the other. Both is ideal. But when you can't do both which today many of us can not, (I can't right now on this new TV) you have to make a choice. So if you are competent in using a calibration disc, and perhaps use something like a THX settings as guide - or even the built in calibration LG has which is a good start - not fantastic) it's possible the biggest improvement -better detail better shadows, etc.. will be with a Darbee. Perfection would be a pro calibration as always but now that I have seen what a Darbee can do if set correctly I wouldn't want to be without it.

Calibration and the effects of the Darbee are really two completely different animals and which has more value will vary depending on the individual. A calibration will correct items such as color issues, gray scale, gamma.... The objective is to acheive the most accurate display possible based on a set of standards. Some like the results and would not own a display that is not calibrated, others really could care less as long as the picture pleases them. The darbee will improve the perceived sharpness of the picture without introducing the normal ringing for using a sharpness control. This can be easily seen as a greater improvement to some.

I say the darbee will most likely be seen as an improvement whether you have your display calibrated or not.


barry
post #4828 of 7863
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Originally Posted by barrelbelly View Post


Michael: You keep talking like this and I will have to jump the shark and buy this thing this weekend. The wife is looking forward to putting this under the tree for me. But man...I can hardly wait when reading things like this and the comments by Tampa8.

Get the open box NOW:

 

http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=obo-darblet&d=open-box-item---darbeevision-darblet-hdmi-video-processor-dvp-5000-(darblet)&utm_campaign=GAN&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=k244266

 

You won't be sorry. Really.

Michael

post #4829 of 7863
I did it. I pulled the trigger on the Darbee. I hope I won't regret it. I was still able to get it at the sale price from Solid Signal. I added it to my cart last week and kept it in there. When I checked out today, it still had the sale price so I took that as a sign and bought it. Here we go...
post #4830 of 7863
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Originally Posted by terminal33 View Post

I did it. I pulled the trigger on the Darbee. I hope I won't regret it. I was still able to get it at the sale price from Solid Signal. I added it to my cart last week and kept it in there. When I checked out today, it still had the sale price so I took that as a sign and bought it. Here we go...

You will be thrilled with it. Sometimes we just have to run before we can walk wink.gif
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