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post #4891 of 7863
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Originally Posted by threed123 View Post

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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

Do I buy now or wait until CES?
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Frankly, had I thought about it, I would have waited. It could be why they discounted the current version during Black Friday and other days. While I doubt if it will be cheaper, my guess is there will be some type of improvement, or possibly a new combined model that has multiple Darbees within the same unit. That would make sense since many on this board have daisy chained them successfully and like the results.

Or they might end up dumping the current model for much less as they introduce the new model and you could get one cheaper. Who knows, but my guess is some people who bought this in the past two months are going to be very upset if there is an improved model for the same price coming in Jan or Feb. There better be an upgrade path, or h-ell have no fury like an video guy scorned.

I'm 100% ok at getting mine for a sweet deal, it's taken away my PJ upgrade-itis feeling I've had about my 5 year old Sony PJ VW60.
This gives me 2 years more life.

If they do release another unit with more features at same price point, good for them.
I'm sure the other video processor companies have similar low cost boxes under R&D, so Darbee needs to stay 1 step ahead.

As reference point:
I have 130" scope screen, and run the Darblet in HD mode 50%.

I just re-calibrated my PJ thus morning, had the Darbee in the chain but off.
Then turned it on, wow, very impressed.
definitely I recommend people to put it on their short list.
Edited by mtbdudex - 12/2/12 at 7:58pm
post #4892 of 7863
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

I'm 100% ok at getting mine for a sweet deal, it's taken away my PJ upgrade-itis feeling I've had about my 5 year old Sony PJ VW60.
This gives me 2 years more life.
If they do release another unit with more features at same price point, good for them.
I'm sure the other video processor companies have similar low cost boxes under R&D, so Darbee needs to stay 1 step ahead.
As reference point:
I have 130" scope screen, and run the Darblet in HD mode 50%.
I just re-calibrated my PJ thus morning, had the Darbee in the chain but off.
Then turned it on, wow, very impressed.
definitely I recommend people to put it on their short list.

Why did you turn the Darbee Off? I calibrate with it On to get the Best calibration possible. I know that it's been said that the Darbee affects nothing, but I didn't find that. There are some differences, so why not incorporate those differences when doing the calibration?
post #4893 of 7863
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

Last night I watched Men In Black 3, and noticed a lot of noise artifacts (or is it film grain) in many of the scenes. Again, I was watching with my wife, and could not experiment with the Darblet settings. However, I own the disc, and can look again in the future. First, I would like to know if anyone noticed it; black snow on a blue sky, for instance. Since it was pretty common throughout the film, I did not take note of any time stamps. I think it may just be film grain. Hopefully it is not my setup.
Thanks.
Mark

I didn't notice anything when I watched it Friday night.
post #4894 of 7863
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Originally Posted by p5browne View Post

Old story: At which point in time do you stop waiting, and buy and enjoy? There will always be newer, greater, and cheaper.
How many of us bought the LOL Extended Blu-ray for $69, only to find lately it's been selling for less than $40?
When I first got into the Electronics business, there were major changes every 2 years. Now it's 6 months! Is Consumers Reports now usless? By the time they purchase, test and get out to print, a bulk of the Models are now redundant!
January's CES New Models, usually don't show for at least 6 months, in which time, they've either been dropped, or cheapened due to pricing concerns, only now dropped from consideration because the consumers no longer like the cheaper version.
It's called competitiion. Each Manufacturer trying to out do the other. So buy and enjoy. And when the wife isn't looking, sneak in the New Model!
Re: the Darbee - from what I've read in this Forum, a bulk of the Members are happy with their purchase. If something newer and better comes out, move the older model down onto the wife's TV!

Yes it's relatively inexpensive. I remember paying $600 to $800 for DVD players with Serial Digital interfaces in the early 2000's. Then the first BD players were $1k and $500 for the first HD DVD players. And of course scalers. I remember the VPpro50 I had retailed for $2k(Although I did the trade in deal) I upgraded scalers almost each year starting from the early 2000's and they got more and more expensive every time, until a few years ago when I got a DUO.

You get a lot of bang for your buck nowadays compared with what things cost five to ten years ago.

For what the Darblet does and how well it does it, you do get alot of bang for your buck at the price it sells for. Of course everyone wants to get the best price available. But that is not always possible so you just pay the current rate for products.
I was lucky at got both of mine at the lower prices when prices had just gone up. I thought they were easily worth it.
post #4895 of 7863
I have decided to go ahead and bit the bullet and forget what might or might not come in the future. Tomorrow, I will get it on order.

Thanks for all the input.



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post #4896 of 7863
after reading for a week over the forums and other reviews , i just ordered Darbee today . biggrin.gif
post #4897 of 7863
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

I think it was mentioned before, what you are asking really won't matter. It may act differently with different types, as in Plasma to LCD to Projector, but within each catagory what TV isn't going to make much or any difference. It's the material being watched that matters, it needs to be HD for a real improvement, and the better PQ of the material the better Darbee works. I also would say size matters... the larger the screen perhaps the more improvement.
Just how I feel!

Thanks for this. Funny though I guess I would have hoped for the opposite, that the poorer the source, the greater the improvement. Blu rays and better cable feeds already look pretty great on my set. Lesser cable feeds and DVDs less so, but there are still enough of them (especially DVDs - I get 40-50 industry screeners every year and they are still stuck in the 90s grrr) that it would've been great to find them improved by this thing.

Well, maybe I'll order one from somewhere with a good return policy and try it out.
post #4898 of 7863
I wear glasses all the time. First thing I put on in the morning and last thing I do before getting into bed at night is to place the glasses on my night stand.

Using the Darblet in my system reminds me of going without my glasses, which I rarely do. Swimming, quick trip to the bathroom in the middle of the night, etc.

Your brain adapts to the image your eyes produce very quickly. Things start to look normal very quickly. Put on the glasses and you immediately notice what detail you've been missing.

Same with the Darblet in the signal chain. You get used to the clean sharp picture quickly and won't give up the detail once you're brain has become used to seeing it.

For the price, this item is a no brainer - with or without a restocking fee.
post #4899 of 7863
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

Last night I watched Men In Black 3, and noticed a lot of noise artifacts (or is it film grain) in many of the scenes. Again, I was watching with my wife, and could not experiment with the Darblet settings. However, I own the disc, and can look again in the future. First, I would like to know if anyone noticed it; black snow on a blue sky, for instance. Since it was pretty common throughout the film, I did not take note of any time stamps. I think it may just be film grain. Hopefully it is not my setup.
Thanks.
Mark
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I didn't notice anything when I watched it Friday night.

I watched my Blu-ray copy last night, picture and sound were outstanding. Did not notice any artifacts.
post #4900 of 7863
Another good use of the Darbee is when projecting 3D stills. I have a Panasonic 3D1 and Fuji W3 cameras and have looked at my stills and movies on the projector in the past with so-so results. They always seemed somewhat blurry to me--I play them through my Panasonic blu-ray player USB port. Now that I have the Darbee hooked up to the player, the 3D images have greatly improved. A real plus. Since I do a lot of photography and use of unsharp mask, I have compared the HD, Game and Pop modes and they sure look like increases in unsharp masking, and some video creation packages have it builtin. For better understanding of how it works: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsharp_masking
post #4901 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

I watched my Blu-ray copy last night, picture and sound were outstanding. Did not notice any artifacts.

Thanks guys.

OK, I guess I need to take a closer look and turn off the Darblets to see if that eliminates what I am seeing. I will also take pictures. This may not happen until the end of December, as I will be off for several days.

Mark
post #4902 of 7863
One of the things I'd like to see in a firmware update is the ability for the Darbee to remember settings for each mode....I'd like to be able to compare, for example, Hi def @ 75% vs. Full Pop at 45%.
post #4903 of 7863
For those on the fence, (and with Chanukah and Christmas coming) what tipped me beyond the actual owner pictures was experienced posters, some with thousands of posts, some with obvious higher quality gear and money tied up, some calibrators, - all saying the Darbee is the genuine thing. That's exactly what a forum like this is great for. I continue to be beyond impressed with it.
post #4904 of 7863
I just got off the phone with a guy from darbee and discussed the heat issue and plastic piece that is moving around and he said it should not be an issue. The plastic issue is from whom every assembles the units now screwed it too tight. Im just going to unscrew mine and remove t the plastic piece problem solved! If you are feeding video to the unit and the blue light is on it will heat up but nothing to be alarmed :eek:by as per the guy from darbee.....
post #4905 of 7863
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Originally Posted by threed123 View Post

Since I do a lot of photography and use of unsharp mask, I have compared the HD, Game and Pop modes and they sure look like increases in unsharp masking, and some video creation packages have it builtin. For better understanding of how it works: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsharp_masking

Yeah, this should look familiar to anyone here.



I just use HD, where I see no contrast changes, unlike Game, where it's obvious that black/white is being altered. Interesting that the article says "local contrast enhancement" can be achieved by altering the 3 variables mentioned, which seems to be what I see with Game mode (small areas of changing light levels where usually the dark gets darker.)

I'm liking this thing, but I'm uncomfortable with it because it doesn't actually change anything that you can see (in HD mode.) In other words, it's sort of an optical illusion, the perceived increase in sharpness.

I've set it for worst case scenario, so instead of trying to pull sharpness out of a scene where not much is there, and living with the horribleness of sweaty faced, dramatically lit close-ups, I set it for close-ups and end up at HD30-35 for BD and maybe bump it 5 for good TV.

I can't talk myself into using Game, since it so clearly alters content, rather than enhancing the content that's there as HD does.

I wonder if my lowish settings compared to most is something to do with using a plasma, or if I'm just more sensitive to it. I can't fathom using more than HD40 or so here, sitting 80" form a 64" plasma.
post #4906 of 7863
From reading posts there is a difference of the effect between Plasma, LCD, Projector. I don't have a plasma so I can't comment specifically on that. For LCD, by far most are using 50% + or - 5, in either HD or Game. I found exactly that for me, using game at 45 to 50%.
To use game, I found I had to back off the TV's sharpness control, which I did have set higher than the calibration disk showed it should be. I backed it off to the sharpest amount that had no artifacts. That helped the Darbee do it's job on my LCD in game mode, because the over sharpness artifacts were being almost amplified. Now game looks clean. It's just that little more than HD that I like. But you are not alone, there are others that do prefer HD. I think that's a great benefit of the device, very customizable to your particular type of TV and tastes.
post #4907 of 7863
When I first connected the darblet, I got solid blue, green, and red lights. After awhile, I got a solid red, blinking green, and no blue. I've returned it and Amazon did it without any additional cost.

This seems like a hardware problem to me, but do others have any other insights?
post #4908 of 7863
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Originally Posted by InCali View Post

When I first connected the darblet, I got solid blue, green, and red lights. After awhile, I got a solid red, blinking green, and no blue. I've returned it and Amazon did it without any additional cost.
This seems like a hardware problem to me, but do others have any other insights?

I believe the blue light indicates the unit senses video input or is processing video. Mine has the blue light on all the time when hooked to the blu-ray player even when the player is off, but it works okay, so I ignore it. Was your unit working okay--quick way to tell is use the on/off on the remote and have it set to 100% POP mode.

Here's a link to the user guide: http://darbeevision.com/assets/documents/DarbeeVision%20Darblet%20User%20Guide%2020120426a.pdf
Edited by threed123 - 12/4/12 at 10:14am
post #4909 of 7863
I am from Turkey, how can buy it?
post #4910 of 7863
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Originally Posted by cemo62 View Post

I am from Turkey, how can buy it?

http://shop.avscience.com/search.asp?keyword=darblet
post #4911 of 7863
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

Last night I watched Men In Black 3, and noticed a lot of noise artifacts (or is it film grain) in many of the scenes. Again, I was watching with my wife, and could not experiment with the Darblet settings. However, I own the disc, and can look again in the future. First, I would like to know if anyone noticed it; black snow on a blue sky, for instance. Since it was pretty common throughout the film, I did not take note of any time stamps. I think it may just be film grain. Hopefully it is not my setup.
Thanks.
Mark

Mark: I did not see what you are describing in my set up. I did notice in the opening production credits (don't remember which production company) where there was a solid black background with white lettering there as "noise". After that production card, it was an outstanding image.

I have my darbee set on 50 with a Planar 8150 DLP projector.
post #4912 of 7863
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

http://shop.avscience.com/search.asp?keyword=darblet[/quote

do they ship to Turkey?
post #4913 of 7863
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Originally Posted by cemo62 View Post

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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

http://shop.avscience.com/search.asp?keyword=darblet[/quote
do they ship to Turkey?

you can buy from UK http://www.ideal-av.co.uk/ItemPages/darbee.htm ( might be a little expensive than US for currency exchange ) which you have to contact them for your delivery fee.
post #4914 of 7863
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Originally Posted by cemo62 View Post

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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

http://shop.avscience.com/search.asp?keyword=darblet[/quote
do they ship to Turkey?

I know they ship internationally, but whether they exclude any countries or not, I don't know.

Email MIke: Mike@AVScience.com

or Jason: Jason@AVScience.com

Mark
post #4915 of 7863
Oke i will contact them thank you for your answers jommy and giomania
post #4916 of 7863
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

For those on the fence, (and with Chanukah and Christmas coming) what tipped me beyond the actual owner pictures was experienced posters, some with thousands of posts, some with obvious higher quality gear and money tied up, some calibrators, - all saying the Darbee is the genuine thing. That's exactly what a forum like this is great for. I continue to be beyond impressed with it.

Agreed - without AVS my equipment portfolio would be quite different, and I definitely wouldn't have heard of the Darbee. Nothing like the 'seal of approval' from people with such a sophisticated set of equipment where a Darbee could be expected to be discredited through an experienced eye. Sometimes "subjective" can be "objective" with enough expert opinion:).

@ fjames: What's interesting about your comparison of HD, Game, and Pop on a B&W picture is that I had a different reaction when I looked at it on my iPad vs. my LG PC monitor. On the iPad, I'd agree that HD had the least artifacts and artificial contrasts of the lot. However, on my work monitor, the Game mode has a clearer picture and more lifelike imagery (particular the hair and arm of the woman in the foreground, as well as the person in the right in the background). I see a more "3D" effect, and a pciture that overall looks more natural. But clearly the POP mode is too much contrast and emphasis (the face of that woman in front looks distorted, even disfigured).
Edited by sdrucker - 12/4/12 at 4:33pm
post #4917 of 7863
sdrucker,

That image is different levels of the same filter, starting with no filter. I was replying to whoever posted the wiki link to unsharp masking. The pic is from a wiki page on acutance, demonstrating one type, which is unsharp masking. My assumption was that the pic essentially showed different levels of the HD filter. I was trying to hint that too much is way worse than not enough smile.gif

Okay, found it smile.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acutance
post #4918 of 7863
I got my Darbee today to play with Sony Hmz-t2

so far (7 hrs on it ) switch between Hi def 60% or Gaming 60%

1. Blu ray 3D Avatar : Amazingggggg as darbee make the film even more 3d , texture on objects got much more details ( bird skins, rocks,water,cloths,etc) . I watched Avatar more than 10 times and this was the best as i could see little more details on the film which i couldn't see them before
2. Supernatural 720p mkv : Great overall but some scene kinda feel like i have too high % darbee on it so i might need to adjust a bit more
3. TheWalkingdead 720p mkv : It wasn't great as this tv show got a lot of gritty on it therefore it added grain and i think it look better without darbee
4. Farcry3 PC 1080p : Wow just loving it. make the game more alive and all textures in game pop and feel like run on super high definition texture pack ,everything look more clean and sharp like a 4k resolution ( i'll try different game later but so far it work really well )

another happy Darbee owner biggrin.gif
post #4919 of 7863
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

sdrucker,
That image is different levels of the same filter, starting with no filter. I was replying to whoever posted the wiki link to unsharp masking. The pic is from a wiki page on acutance, demonstrating one type, which is unsharp masking. My assumption was that the pic essentially showed different levels of the HD filter. I was trying to hint that too much is way worse than not enough smile.gif
Okay, found it smile.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acutance

To be clear, these images are not comparisons of different Darbee Modes, nor different Darbee Settings.

Acutance = edge enhancement, a common form of image filtering that is frowned upon by videophiles for the fact that it produces edge enhancement artifacts (ringing and halos).

Darbee technology does not process in edge regions. If a sharpening filter has been applied that exaggerates the edge contrast in such a manner, we stay legal and avoid a re-ringing of the edge.

Read our white paper and you can get a little background about our "Perceptor" technology. This big part of our technology allows us to selectively apply the Darbee process to avoid the acutance artifacts.

-DD
post #4920 of 7863
Any word on the HDMI ARC issue?
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