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post #5011 of 6143
12/11/12 at 8:56pm
i think something wrong with your darbee if you say it did nothing to your tv at all ( it should at least doing something then you might or you might not like depend on your liking ) and have you remove the plastic on the remote ? it won't work if you leave the plastic there
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post #5012 of 6143
12/11/12 at 9:16pm
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Originally Posted by jommy999 View Post

i think something wrong with your darbee if you say it did nothing to your tv at all ( it should at least doing something then you might or you might not like depend on your liking ) and have you remove the plastic on the remote ? it won't work if you leave the plastic there

Let me rephrase -- I could see an affect on the picture, but it was so minimal - - no matter what the setting was - - 45% to 100% and quite frankly, it didn't look better to me. It looked like over processing (in addition to my Pioneer SC65 - Marvell QDEO processing.)

I removed the plastic on the remote - - even made sure the battery was in correctly. Still nothing. Could have been a dead battery.

Like I said before - - again, it's my personal belief - - if you have a video projector - - it's probably a great buy. If you have a Plasma and are trying to sharpen the image - - it will probably work for that, as well. And...if you have no video processing to begin with - - it's definitely worth a look.

I'm glad I tried it but it goes back tomorrow morning via UPS.
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post #5013 of 6143
12/11/12 at 10:25pm
I have a projector, but I also have a 32" LCD/LED tv that I view from the same distance as my 80" projection screen, and I see just as much, if not more improvement on my little 32" + darbee as I do on the projection set up.

You might have a defective unit, considering the remote is not working. When you see '0 improvement in PQ', does that mean you see no difference between toggling on/off when set to at least 50% on Game mode? If so, you have a defective unit.

(edit: I responded to your post from the previous page, I see you clarified a little on this page).

Also, I dunno why your AVR's processing could be better or defeat the darbee effect, but you can always (as a test), bypass the AVR and try the darbee that way. If bypassing the AVR + darbee looks better than your AVR + processing, that would be something you should look into. But I'm guessing you've already given up....
Edited by fleaman - 12/11/12 at 10:31pm
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post #5014 of 6143
12/12/12 at 12:42am
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

REPORT: Darbee Darblet a Real Downer
1. Remote D.O.A. - never worked.
2. Zero improvement on picture quality.
Sorry to say, this didn't work for me. I have the Samsung UN65ES8000 LCD/LED. I also have a Pioneer SC-65 with Marvell QDEO video processing and that may have something to do with the lack of results. It might work for you if you have no video processing or have a projector.
But this was a real clunker for me. Sending it back via Amazon tomorrow. I've already printed the return label and will drop off to UPS in the morning. Very sad that it didn't work out but that's how things go sometimes.
You might want to try it if (1) you have a video projector or (2) have no video processing with your AVR or do not have an AVR at all!
And above all - - make sure you have an adequate return policy like Amazon Prime.

The common video source and sink used in the Darbee lab to develop with is a BR player that has the QDEO technology and the same Samsung display you have.

You could say that DVP is benchmarked for perceptual satisfaction beyond fidelity factors, on those technology platforms.

Most find the level of enhancement to be quite effective.

Sorry it doesn't show up for you.

-DD
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post #5015 of 6143
12/12/12 at 4:57am
Magenta flash is still very annoying when using with Lumagen.
No workaround when using YCbCr?
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post #5016 of 6143
12/12/12 at 5:24am
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Originally Posted by DarbeeDr View Post

The common video source and sink used in the Darbee lab to develop with is a BR player that has the QDEO technology and the same Samsung display you have.
You could say that DVP is benchmarked for perceptual satisfaction beyond fidelity factors, on those technology platforms.
Most find the level of enhancement to be quite effective.
Sorry it doesn't show up for you.
-DD

Thanks much. Again, I think the real Darbee sweet spot is with projectors or Plasmas that do not have crisp pictures to begin with. I'm also using the Standard setting on the Samsung UN65ES8000 coupled with the Marvell QDEO processing by the Pioneer SC65. A softer setting like 'Movie" might yield better results. I've read other LCD/LED reviews that say the same thing - - minimal improvement and not worth the bang for the buck. Not trying to be negative - - just stating some of my research before I bought the product.

I suspect that the Darbee technology - - if really successful will be OEM'd or incorporated in AVR (and maybe TV) offerings in the future. If I was selling the product - - that's what I'd be looking for - - widespread adoption.

Thanks again and good luck to everybody buying the product. I truly hope it works for you.
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post #5017 of 6143
12/12/12 at 5:38am
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

I have a projector, but I also have a 32" LCD/LED tv that I view from the same distance as my 80" projection screen, and I see just as much, if not more improvement on my little 32" + darbee as I do on the projection set up.
You might have a defective unit, considering the remote is not working. When you see '0 improvement in PQ', does that mean you see no difference between toggling on/off when set to at least 50% on Game mode? If so, you have a defective unit.
(edit: I responded to your post from the previous page, I see you clarified a little on this page).
Also, I dunno why your AVR's processing could be better or defeat the darbee effect, but you can always (as a test), bypass the AVR and try the darbee that way. If bypassing the AVR + darbee looks better than your AVR + processing, that would be something you should look into. But I'm guessing you've already given up....

Muchas gracias Senor Flea. I toggled back and forth and really couldn't see a discernible difference. I have a pretty good eye and it just didn't do anything - - at least enough to promote the WOW factor on this forum and other write ups.

I was disappointed that the remote was D.O.A. - but I chalked it up to a dead battery (might have been defective, period) and changed the settings via the buttons on the Darbee unit itself. Maybe my expectations were too high as to picture improvement, depth and detail. And for $319.00 bucks - - I need to be WOWed to keep it part of my home theater. I do not know how old your 32" LCD is or what type of technology it has - PQ wise.

But you know what - that's o.k. - - I'm glad it's working for you! And I' sure that everyone else on this forum who has a positive experience will gladly post their experience. And it was worth the effort to try and squeeze every single ounce of PQ out of my set. It just didn't work for me.
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post #5018 of 6143
12/12/12 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

I do not know how old your 32" LCD is or what type of technology it has - PQ wise.
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It's a Sharp LC-32LE700, full backlit array LED. Was the top of the line Sharp that they offered in a small size (most top of the line models aren't avail that small). Even today there doesn't seem to be anything better in that size. It was rated very well for native and ansi contrast, etc.

From 9-10ft away I've toggled my Darbee on/off to many many friends (showing it off wink.gif ) and ALL of them, every single one of them, were very impressed. I'm convinced that if you were on sitting on my couch you would agree smile.gif

I really think you need to bypass your AVR/processing and try your darbee again....
Edited by fleaman - 12/12/12 at 9:22am
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post #5019 of 6143
12/12/12 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

If I wanted that dull of a picture I would have gone with a Plasma.

Ignorance is bliss! With due respect, there's a good chance you won't get help from some here with a statement like that.
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post #5020 of 6143
12/12/12 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by 5150zx View Post

Ignorance is bliss! With due respect, there's a good chance you won't get help from some here with a statement like that.

Personal preference - - I'm just not a fan of Plasma's dull and lifeless picture. Plus the heat issues, screen burn in, power consumption, horrific 3D (VT50) - - all things that are not appealing to me. If that's ignorance, then so be it.

If you have a Plasma (and I'm sure you do) - that's great if you're happy with it! Some folks say the color accuracy and calibration is the best in the business.

I made my buying decision on how the PQ looks to me - - as does everyone else. I know there are very loyal Plasma lovers out there and good for you if you enjoy your set. That's what's most important!

Believe me - - I looked at every TV in my price range when I bought this past summer. And I just didn't like the Plasma (VT50) picture and the 3D was really poor in comparison to the LCD/LCD's. Again - personal preference.
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post #5021 of 6143
12/12/12 at 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

It's a Sharp LC-32LE700, full backlit array LED. Was the top of the line Sharp that they offered in a small size (most top of the line models aren't avail that small). Even today there doesn't seem to be anything better in that size. It was rated very well for native and ansi contrast, etc.
From 9-10ft away I've toggled my Darbee on/off to many many friends (showing it off wink.gif ) and ALL of them, every single one of them, were very impressed. I'm convinced that if you were on sitting on my couch you would agree smile.gif
I really think you need to bypass your AVR/processing and try your darbee again....

Muchas gracias, otra vez.

Darbee Darblet was returned today. I really think the value and improvement you get out of the Darbee is all relative to the picture you currently have. I started from a very high point - - looking for a minimum of a 10% perceived picture enhancement. 25% and I would have been ecstatic. But it just didn't work out for me.

I don't see the point of turning off a $1,500 receiver with Marvell QDEO processing (Pioneer SC65) to go solely with the Darblet. It should have been an enhancement to my picture - - that was my goal. Just for grins, I have an Email into Marvell to ask their opinion of the Darblet in conjunction with their processing.

Without a doubt I believe this can be a great product (and in order) - (1) larger projectors, (2) DLP's and (3) Plasmas if you want a sharper picture - - not as soft. Although I've read reviews from folks that have the VT50 and they said they didn't see any improvement in their PQ.

So if you have an older TV, if the picture isn't crisp with detail AND you are sending it a great signal - - this can work.
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post #5022 of 6143
12/12/12 at 12:48pm
Well I've logged some more hours with the Darbee and my 65GT50. I'll have to say that I'm impressed with animated movies, but very unimpressed with anything else. The difference with live-action movies are so subtle that I would have a hard time telling if the Darbee was on or not. I use HD at 60% for live-action and HD at 100% for animated. I tried bumping the live-action to 70% and although the difference was more distinct, the picture was worse. How do other people only have their Darbee set at 50% and are amazed at the difference? I feel like I'm missing out with live-action movies.
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post #5023 of 6143
12/12/12 at 12:57pm
Yes, I found it was harder to justify on a smaller screen, so I only have my Darbee connected to my projector now. I can see a softening effect when I turn it off (I do this every now and then just to convince myself that it is still working OK redface.gif ). I should also note that I have my projector's sharpness and detail controls at 0 as I find that they cause ringing and moire on certain test patterns, so perhaps this highlights the differences with the Darbee on/off.

Can't comment on cartoons as my son doesn't tend to watch them thesedays, but on normal films 50-55% works fine for me.
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post #5024 of 6143
12/12/12 at 1:56pm
I've been playing with display and DVDO Edge G sharpening as it relates to Darbee performance, and it's pretty obvious that too much sharpening downgrades Darbee effect. No news there, but my display's thread here has user sharpening usually at 20, while calibrated sharpening is 5-10, so something to think about with getting the "right" picture out of the Darbee.

Current settings are display=0 and DVDO=12. As I gather time with it, I find myself reducing Darbee settings. Now at HD28-32 for BD and ~5 higher for DTV HD programming. I appreciate the subtlety of its image with the best sources - with reduced quality material it's just gross if you go too far, which you're tempted to do by the poorer basic picture, but it just doesn't work for me. I'm sure someone said it a long time ago - it makes good pictures better and bad ones worse (if you go too far.)
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post #5025 of 6143
12/12/12 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

Always try the most elemental set-up when trying to find problems. I would go directly from the Direct TV receiver to the Darbee, to the TV and see what happens.

I did try connecting the Direct TV receiver to the Darbee and then to the TV with the same result - passes audio, but not video. Solid Signal is sending a replacement-I'll report my impressions when I get a chance to hook up the new unit. I've seen other posters with similar equipment (Direct TV HR-21/ Panasonic Blu Ray player/Denon 4311 and Panasonic GT-30 have success so I'm hopeful that will be the case with my setup.
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post #5026 of 6143
12/12/12 at 5:39pm
Let us know how it works out.....
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post #5027 of 6143
12/12/12 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Personal preference - - I'm just not a fan of Plasma's dull and lifeless picture. Plus the heat issues, screen burn in, power consumption, horrific 3D (VT50) - - all things that are not appealing to me. If that's ignorance, then so be it.
If you have a Plasma (and I'm sure you do) - that's great if you're happy with it! Some folks say the color accuracy and calibration is the best in the business.
I made my buying decision on how the PQ looks to me - - as does everyone else. I know there are very loyal Plasma lovers out there and good for you if you enjoy your set. That's what's most important!
Believe me - - I looked at every TV in my price range when I bought this past summer. And I just didn't like the Plasma (VT50) picture and the 3D was really poor in comparison to the LCD/LCD's. Again - personal preference.

Dull? lifeless? Have you ever even been in an actual theatre? Plasma is the closer one to that, not LCD. Screen burn in, power consumption, they are all BS excuses. Samsung 55" 8000 power consumption post calibration is 141 watts and Panasonic 55" VT50 is 158 watts. If that's considered as too much power consumption, then you are in the wrong hobby. Burn in? I've been using plasma since a 40-inchers cost $10K and never had a single burn-in!!!

Funny you should say that LCD is better for 3D because even Samsung claim that 3D is better on plasma. rolleyes.gif

PS, I have both plasma and LeD backlit LCD and my projector is also an LCD.

And if you need to be wowed to spend $300 then you must not own a mobilephone, then. Because ot a single mobile phone wowed me at any price.

Marvell QDEO and Darbee are mutually exclusive processors, just because you have a Marvell QDEO (which I also have) doesn't negate the capability of the Darbee.

I have yet to find a single client who doesn't like their Darbee ( and I don't even sell them, I only recommend them)... As of today, all 30+ of them and some of them are using 46" 8000 series Samsung with SC-68.

All I can say is that unless you have a defective Darbee, it is impossible to not see any improvement from the DvP-5000
Edited by David Susilo - 12/12/12 at 6:11pm
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post #5028 of 6143
12/12/12 at 6:22pm
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Muchas gracias, otra vez.
Darbee Darblet was returned today. I really think the value and improvement you get out of the Darbee is all relative to the picture you currently have. I started from a very high point - - looking for a minimum of a 10% perceived picture enhancement. 25% and I would have been ecstatic. But it just didn't work out for me.
I don't see the point of turning off a $1,500 receiver with Marvell QDEO processing (Pioneer SC65) to go solely with the Darblet. It should have been an enhancement to my picture - - that was my goal. Just for grins, I have an Email into Marvell to ask their opinion of the Darblet in conjunction with their processing.
Without a doubt I believe this can be a great product (and in order) - (1) larger projectors, (2) DLP's and (3) Plasmas if you want a sharper picture - - not as soft. Although I've read reviews from folks that have the VT50 and they said they didn't see any improvement in their PQ.
So if you have an older TV, if the picture isn't crisp with detail AND you are sending it a great signal - - this can work.

Have you given any thought to trying another Darbee...?
From what I am reading, I have a strong hunch yours was defective.
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post #5029 of 6143
12/12/12 at 6:27pm
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Dull? lifeless? Have you ever even been in an actual theatre? Plasma is the closer one to that, not LCD. Screen burn in, power consumption, they are all BS excuses. Samsung 55" 8000 power consumption post calibration is 141 watts and Panasonic 55" VT50 is 158 watts. If that's considered as too much power consumption, then you are in the wrong hobby. Burn in? I've been using plasma since a 40-inchers cost $10K and never had a single burn-in!!!
Funny you should say that LCD is better for 3D because even Samsung claim that 3D is better on plasma. rolleyes.gif
PS, I have both plasma and LeD backlit LCD and my projector is also an LCD.
And if you need to be wowed to spend $300 then you must not own a mobilephone, then. Because ot a single mobile phone wowed me at any price.
Marvell QDEO and Darbee are mutually exclusive processors, just because you have a Marvell QDEO (which I also have) doesn't negate the capability of the Darbee.
I have yet to find a single client who doesn't like their Darbee ( and I don't even sell them, I only recommend them)... As of today, all 30+ of them and some of them are using 46" 8000 series Samsung with SC-68.
All I can say is that unless you have a defective Darbee, it is impossible to not see any improvement from the DvP-5000

+1... I believe he has a defective unit.
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post #5030 of 6143
12/12/12 at 6:43pm
he already made up his mind i think . he did say the unit does something to the PQ as ' I could see an affect on the picture, but it was so minimal - - no matter what the setting was - - 45% to 100% and quite frankly, it didn't look better to me. It looked like over processing ' so i don't think it defective unit but rather he doesn't like what darbee does .

one of my friend doesn't like darbee as he said he could see more wrinkle on ppl face and make them look older lol

I love my Darbee biggrin.gif
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post #5031 of 6143
12/12/12 at 7:31pm
Oppo 93 HDMI, Reciever SC-67, Darbee, TV Mitsu 82" (pro calibrated ISF) and the PQ is fantastic.
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post #5032 of 6143
12/12/12 at 7:46pm
To avoid purchasing two of these units can someone please answer this question for me.

I have a Denon 4520

I propose ....Denon 4520 HDMI out > Darbeee Darblet > HDMI 1.4a splitter( ie 1 in 2 out ) > Projector and TV via two separate HDMI out ports of the splitter.


Can spmeone who has done similar tell me if this will this work or not? Else I have to go and purchase another Darbee D.
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post #5033 of 6143
12/12/12 at 7:52pm
Waiting for mine to be delivered. I casn't wait anymore smile.gifbiggrin.gif
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12/12/12 at 7:54pm
lol how many darbee you order?
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post #5035 of 6143
12/12/12 at 8:46pm
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

I don't see the point of turning off a $1,500 receiver with Marvell QDEO processing (Pioneer SC65) to go solely with the Darblet.

I think you missed my whole point, that being: My guess is that the PQ of the Source> Darbee > Display (sans your AVR processor), would be better than how you have it now (source > AVR > Display). This is assuming your Darbee wasn't defective, and that your AVR's processing was interfering/negating the darbee's processing.
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It should have been an enhancement to my picture - - that was my goal. Just for grins, I have an Email into Marvell to ask their opinion of the Darblet in conjunction with their processing.
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Uhmm, do you really think they're gonna be unbiased in their opinion?? Of course their gonna say their processing is superior, especially after you tell them you couldn't see any positive difference with the darbee, which they're probably unfamiliar with....
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post #5036 of 6143
12/12/12 at 9:06pm
Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Dull? lifeless? Have you ever even been in an actual theatre? Plasma is the closer one to that, not LCD. Screen burn in, power consumption, they are all BS excuses. Samsung 55" 8000 power consumption post calibration is 141 watts and Panasonic 55" VT50 is 158 watts. If that's considered as too much power consumption, then you are in the wrong hobby. Burn in? I've been using plasma since a 40-inchers cost $10K and never had a single burn-in!!!
Funny you should say that LCD is better for 3D because even Samsung claim that 3D is better on plasma. rolleyes.gif
PS, I have both plasma and LeD backlit LCD and my projector is also an LCD.
And if you need to be wowed to spend $300 then you must not own a mobilephone, then. Because ot a single mobile phone wowed me at any price.
Marvell QDEO and Darbee are mutually exclusive processors, just because you have a Marvell QDEO (which I also have) doesn't negate the capability of the Darbee.
I have yet to find a single client who doesn't like their Darbee ( and I don't even sell them, I only recommend them)... As of today, all 30+ of them and some of them are using 46" 8000 series Samsung with SC-68.
All I can say is that unless you have a defective Darbee, it is impossible to not see any improvement from the DvP-5000
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You're drinking the Darbee Kool Aid. I'm glad yours works for you and all the other thirty people you know who have Darbee's. There are many comments from folks who have not had the same experience with their Darbee Darblets. I suppose they all have defective units or do not have your keen eyes.

Plasma is a religion amongst its faithful. Great -- I'm happy that you're in love with Plasma technology. I just like the picture better on LCD/LED.

3D ?? I can only judge with my own eyes but the Plasma Panasonic VT50 I looked at (Paul's TV here in Denver, CO) wasn't anywhere near the quality or viewing experience compared to the LCD/LED's and especially the Samsung UN65ES8000. And the sales rep. showed me the "burn in" that you have never experienced. What does he know - - he just sells TV's for a living.

Again, this is personal preference and the Darblet did nothing for me - - so it's on its way back to the manufacturer (thanks Amazon Prime!)

The plasma market itself is experiencing serious business issues. Panasonic is retooling to make smaller LCD screens for handheld consumer products (electronic tablets and other portable media players) from Apple and others. But again - - if you have a plasma TV and you like it, that's all that counts.

As far as the future of the Darbee Darblet - - I believe it's best use is (1) projectors or (2) DLP's. I do not believe there is an appreciable difference on higher end LCD/LED's. And excuse me if I don't have as deep of pockets as you, but $3,600 for a TV is high end to me!

Lastly - and if you're interested in the business aspect of the Darbee Darblet - - their goal should be widespread adoption. To achieve this - - to be integrated with as many TV's & AVR's as possible (OEM) - - the technology or business case will have to be made with the same fervor that you have demonstrated with your advocacy of the product, technology and results.
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post #5037 of 6143
12/12/12 at 9:17pm
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post
Dull? lifeless? Have you ever even been in an actual theatre? Plasma is the closer one to that, not LCD. Screen burn in, power consumption, they are all BS excuses. Samsung 55" 8000 power consumption post calibration is 141 watts and Panasonic 55" VT50 is 158 watts. If that's considered as too much power consumption, then you are in the wrong hobby. Burn in? I've been using plasma since a 40-inchers cost $10K and never had a single burn-in!!!
Funny you should say that LCD is better for 3D because even Samsung claim that 3D is better on plasma. rolleyes.gif
PS, I have both plasma and LeD backlit LCD and my projector is also an LCD.
And if you need to be wowed to spend $300 then you must not own a mobilephone, then. Because ot a single mobile phone wowed me at any price.
Marvell QDEO and Darbee are mutually exclusive processors, just because you have a Marvell QDEO (which I also have) doesn't negate the capability of the Darbee.
I have yet to find a single client who doesn't like their Darbee ( and I don't even sell them, I only recommend them)... As of today, all 30+ of them and some of them are using 46" 8000 series Samsung with SC-68.
All I can say is that unless you have a defective Darbee, it is impossible to not see any improvement from the DvP-5000
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You're drinking the Darbee Kool Aid. I'm glad yours works for you and all the other thirty people you know who have Darbee's. There are many comments from folks who have not had the same experience with their Darbee Darblets. I suppose they all have defective units or do not have your keen eyes.
Plasma is a religion amongst its faithful. Great -- I'm happy that you're in love with Plasma technology. I just like the picture better on LCD/LED.
3D ?? I can only judge with my own eyes but the Plasma Panasonic VT50 I looked at (Paul's TV here in Denver, CO) wasn't anywhere near the quality or viewing experience compared to the LCD/LED's and especially the Samsung UN65ES8000. And the sales rep. showed me the "burn in" that you have never experienced. What does he know - - he just sells TV's for a living.
Again, this is personal preference and the Darblet did nothing for me - - so it's on its way back to the manufacturer (thanks Amazon Prime!)
The plasma market itself is experiencing serious business issues. Panasonic is retooling to make smaller LCD screens for handheld consumer products (electronic tablets and other portable media players) from Apple and others. But again - - if you have a plasma TV and you like it, that's all that counts.
As far as the future of the Darbee Darblet - - I believe it's best use is (1) projectors or (2) DLP's. I do not believe there is an appreciable difference on higher end LCD/LED's. And excuse me if I don't have as deep of pockets as you, but $3,600 for a TV is high end to me!
Lastly - and if you're interested in the business aspect of the Darbee Darblet - - their goal should be widespread adoption. To achieve this - - to be integrated with as many TV's & AVR's as possible (OEM) - - the technology or business case will have to be made with the same fervor that you have demonstrated with your advocacy of the product, technology and results.

 

I don't think this is the right forum to debate whether plasma or LED technology is superior.  However, if you read this entire thread, you will see many positive comments from owners of both technologies with regards to the Darblet.  Some will describe the Darblet enhancements as significant, and some will describe the enhancements as subtle.  There is nothing wrong with someone deciding the Darblet doesn't add enough of a difference to make it worthwhile.

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post #5038 of 6143
12/12/12 at 9:22pm
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

I think you missed my whole point, that being: My guess is that the PQ of the Source> Darbee > Display (sans your AVR processor), would be better than how you have it now (source > AVR > Display). This is assuming your Darbee wasn't defective, and that your AVR's processing was interfering/negating the darbee's processing.
Uhmm, do you really think they're gonna be unbiased in their opinion?? Of course their gonna say their processing is superior, especially after you tell them you couldn't see any positive difference with the darbee, which they're probably unfamiliar with....

Maybe hooking the Darbee up directly to the TV and bypassing the AVR would have yielded a better picture. But it doesn't make sense to spend a grand plus on an AVR receiver and bypass it for the video, especially if it has its own video processing.

I also thought I'd ask Marvell to see what they say. Other folks on this forum are saying the technologies are "mutually exclusive." So, there shouldn't be any conflict, but since Marvell QDEO is OEM'd (incorporated) with many AVR's - - it's obvious that their technology has been accepted, mainstream, in the marketplace. It doesn't hurt to ask. If they don't answer my Email - - then so be it.

This is not an emotional decision for me - - maybe it was a defective unit since the remote was D.O.A. But I was able to work around that by pushing the buttons on the remote itself. And it hardly made any difference, whatsoever, in the PQ. That was my experience. Obviously yours is much better - - and great! I've also read other reviews from Plasma owners who did not believe the PQ was enhanced or improved to the point where they would keep the Darblet. And some of those owners did not have any video processing via their AVR's.

Is it o.k. for other folks to not have the same experience with their TV's vis a vis the Darbee Darblet as other folks on this forum?
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12/12/12 at 9:25pm
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I don't think this is the right forum to debate whether plasma or LED technology is superior.  However, if you read this entire thread, you will see many positive comments from owners of both technologies with regards to the Darblet.  Some will describe the Darblet enhancements as significant, and some will describe the enhancements as subtle.  There is nothing wrong with someone deciding the Darblet doesn't add enough of a difference to make it worthwhile.

Well said. Believe me, I really wanted the Darbee Darblet to work for me. I want to squeeze every single ounce of PQ enhancement out of my TV as much as possible - - within reason, dollar wise.
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12/12/12 at 9:51pm
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Maybe hooking the Darbee up directly to the TV and bypassing the AVR would have yielded a better picture. But it doesn't make sense to spend a grand plus on an AVR receiver and bypass it for the video, especially if it has its own video processing.

Well for me, the end result is what I look for, even if that means I have to bypass something to get a better result. If you need to go through your AVR's processing to justify the the purchase price, that is your prerogative I suppose. Since you never tested the scenario that I mentioned, you'll never know. But I suppose ignorance can be bliss in this case wink.gif

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Is it o.k. for other folks to not have the same experience with their TV's vis a vis the Darbee Darblet as other folks on this forum?

Of course, but in this case, from your description, it seemed like the unit might of possibly been either defective, or your AVR's processing was cancelling out some/most of the darbee processing. I've read hundreds of darbee posts and I kid you not, there seems to be a 97%+ (perhaps even approaching 99%) positive success rate. As you can see, I've been around AVS for a LONG time and I've never, ever, seen any product have such a huge positive member posting percentage. Nothing comes close. I was was a skeptic too, like most here before they got the darbee, but I was really blown away by the improvements. I have a sharp DLP projector, I have a top of the line LCD/LED, and I see the same amount of improvement on them both, there is absolutely no guessing or questioning about it here.

If you did the test as I mentioned, and it did reveal a better picture, all you probably would have to do is turn the processing off in your AVR, so that it's just pass-through. And if this set up gave you a noticeably better PQ than just the AVR's processing alone, you would have better PQ in the end. Wasn't that the goal confused.gif
Edited by fleaman - 12/12/12 at 9:56pm
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