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post #5071 of 7863
hey jim,
is yours the un55es8000? if so did the darbee yeld good results? i own the un55es8000 and been following the thread for awhile hoping to get someones imput on the pair.
Ricoflashback has the same set but didnt get any results, probably from a defective unit im thinking.
Edited by Derek Gosselin - 12/14/12 at 5:02am
post #5072 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Derek Gosselin View Post

hey jim,
is yours the un55es8000? if so did the darbee yeld good results? i own the un55es8000 and been following the thread for awhile hoping to get someones imput on the pair.
Ricoflashback has the same set but didnt get any results, probably from a defective unit im thinking.

Well i own the Samsung 55 8500 and its calibrated professionally.Using oppo83 and darbee is amazing.No issues and would never watch another dvd without.Im in the minority here and think darbee has more of an effect on regular dvd.
post #5073 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Derek Gosselin View Post

hey jim,
is yours the un55es8000? if so did the darbee yeld good results? i own the un55es8000 and been following the thread for awhile hoping to get someones imput on the pair.
Ricoflashback has the same set but didnt get any results, probably from a defective unit im thinking.

Mine was the first LED the B8000. I have only had time to test a few minutes and I do see a difference. I'll know better when I can get some movie time with it
post #5074 of 7863
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

Well, like I said, my Sharp LCD/LED was the top of the line and very well reviewed. In fact, with the exception of only a few, not many newer models have done better (assuming you run it native, w/o any dynamic contrast---which I hate).
As for processing? If you play a Blu ray, through hdmi to the set (native 1080p), there isn't really any video processing going on, it's pixel mapped. There's no interlacing going on, no scaling, etc.
What specifically about the 'processing' of your Sammy set (when playing a blu ray) makes it superior to my Sharp set? Or my DLP projector?? You seem to be convinced of it's superiority. It's an honest question, 'cos I'm at a loss as to what it is and what it does specifically confused.gif
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Fleaman - pics look fantastic!
Makes me wish I had a large projector but my space is smaller in the man cave to accommodate that theater..
As I said before - - I think the Darblet is a "no brainer" for anyone who has a projector system. Plus, if you have another TV you'd like to use it on AND it's possible (location wise), you can use HDMI switching to really get the bang for your buck.
Nice setup! Quick question - what's the basic cost of a projector system - - and I mean getting enough of a quality picture that you see the teeny hairs on Wolf Blitzer's face? (CNN) Any mounting issues?
P.S. - Just saw the Dark Knight Rises last night. Long film (2:44) but incredibly worth it! Sound effects are a gas. (O.K. - that gives it away. I'm just an older hippie smile.gif)
Ricoflashback, you never really answered Fleamans question.
I’m just curious. wink.gif
Thanks in advance.
post #5075 of 7863
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Originally Posted by lees23 View Post

A couple logistics questions. My DTV receiver and Receiver are in a different room, I assume the remote is IR and I wont be able to adjust it while watching the TV, correct?
I run all my video sources(DTV, PS3, Apple TV) through my Onkyo and the Onkyo HDMI to my TV, will this be an issue? I guess the optimal place to put the Darblet would be between the Onkyo and TV?
I appreciate any insight you guys give me here. Also where did most people purchase theirs? Where did the infamous "black friday" sale take place? I will ask them to honor their BF price, never hurts to ask!
Thanks again, look forward to getting answers on this.

You'll have to experiment with the placement. Mine wouldn't work when put into the last part of the chain--receiver (Rocketfish 3D receiver--Onkyo knockoff) to TV (HD3300 Optoma projector). I think it depends on the sensitivity of your TV to receive and adapt to signals.Therefore you might need an hdmi switcher between your sources and the Darbee, which would then feed the rest of the video/audio chain.

As for black friday deals, AVScience and Darbee had a deal, and showed up on Amazon with free shipping--where I bought mine. I see they are somewhat discounted now from their $349 retail. I don't think you'll get the BF deal as I think Darbee actually lowered their wholesale price to the dealers for that period of time. As you say, it never hurts to ask, though.
post #5076 of 7863
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Originally Posted by threed123 View Post

You'll have to experiment with the placement. Mine wouldn't work when put into the last part of the chain--receiver (Rocketfish 3D receiver--Onkyo knockoff) to TV (HD3300 Optoma projector). I think it depends on the sensitivity of your TV to receive and adapt to signals.Therefore you might need an hdmi switcher between your sources and the Darbee, which would then feed the rest of the video/audio chain.
As for black friday deals, AVScience and Darbee had a deal, and showed up on Amazon with free shipping--where I bought mine. I see they are somewhat discounted now from their $349 retail. I don't think you'll get the BF deal as I think Darbee actually lowered their wholesale price to the dealers for that period of time. As you say, it never hurts to ask, though.

Thank you. My TV has about 250 hrs on it and I do feel the pic is getting better with time. It's just weird how some shows look so bad on it.
post #5077 of 7863
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Originally Posted by mskreis View Post

Xbox 360 issues.
Just got a darblet and installed it between a lumagen mini and jvc rs50 fp. All of my sources (oppo 95, directv hddvr) worked well without issues except my Xbox 360 which I believe experienced handshake issues. No trouble initially but while playing for only 30 minutes had 3 episodes of black screen, each lasting a couple of seconds. Any suggestions?
Thanks

could be an issue with the hdmi cable from the xbox. how long is it?

I'm not sure but I think I have more significant handshake issues. Last night (night 2 with darblet) I lost my Directv pictures at least 3 times.
post #5078 of 7863
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Originally Posted by lees23 View Post

Thank you. My TV has about 250 hrs on it and I do feel the pic is getting better with time. It's just weird how some shows look so bad on it.

It's important for hobbiests like us to understand that when you watch cable or satellite, compression issues become more pronounced and it certainly varies from channel to channel. Realize that not all channels are 720p or 1080i. These companies can get away with calling some channels HD even if they only have 500p or 600p. As long as they're greater than 480, they're considered 'HD'. That's one reason you see a descrepancy from channel to channel. I really noticed it on the movie channels I had recently as a DISH promotion. HBO, Starz, Cinemax picture quality was waaaay better than the others. And because of that, the Darbee will be more effective on those premium channels vs. the Food Network or Spike HD (as an example only).

BTW, for those shopping for a DARBEE, Solid Signal has a nice discount on the Darbee with the promo code GIVEDARBEE. My second one is on the way. wink.gif
post #5079 of 7863
Just received my Darbee from Solid Signal using their coupon code. Best price at $279.00 for a new unit I could find on the internet. Hooked it up to my Pioneer F110 plasma and Sony BDP-ES5000 blu ray player. Didn't change the Sony settings currently at 1080P/24 and Deep Color. HDMI direct to my Kuro and analog audio to a Krell HTS Processor.

I have to say I'm happy so far with results experienced by adding the Darbee. My Kuro was professionally calibrated by Chad B. Chad does a great job, but adding the Darbee gave me that added "lifting of the veil" expereince reported by other users. It was really evident when I played my Iron Man blu ray and went to the first time he put on his armor. There were a lot of shots where you could use the split screen to see the difference the Darbee made to the picture. Using the HD 45 setting the difference in his armor on the split was like looking at the difference between unpolished and polished armor. I had no problems with dropouts, tearing or flashes with this configuration.

The one qualifier is I'm assuming the zero setting on the Darbee is giving me the same picture I would see if the Darbee was not in the chain. That may not be true, since the Darby is really not a true pass through and is still processing the signal even at a zero setting.

I'm going to play with it more this weekend, but so far I would recommend the Darbee to friends.
Edited by dealer6871 - 12/14/12 at 12:48pm
post #5080 of 7863
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Originally Posted by 5150zx View Post

It's important for hobbiests like us to understand that when you watch cable or satellite, compression issues become more pronounced and it certainly varies from channel to channel. Realize that not all channels are 720p or 1080i. These companies can get away with calling some channels HD even if they only have 500p or 600p. As long as they're greater than 480, they're considered 'HD'. That's one reason you see a descrepancy from channel to channel. I really noticed it on the movie channels I had recently as a DISH promotion. HBO, Starz, Cinemax picture quality was waaaay better than the others. And because of that, the Darbee will be more effective on those premium channels vs. the Food Network or Spike HD (as an example only).
BTW, for those shopping for a DARBEE, Solid Signal has a nice discount on the Darbee with the promo code GIVEDARBEE. My second one is on the way. wink.gif

5150, thanks for taking the time to reply and the info on the discounted Darbee! I truly appreciate it.

I understand that there is going to be variances in the signal quality and compression from channel to channel and show to show. It just didn't seem to be nearly as noticeable on my old Samsung. That's why I'm trying to see if signal processing will help clean up sloppy signals sharpness and color.

Thanks again.
post #5081 of 7863
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Originally Posted by lees23 View Post

5150, thanks for taking the time to reply and the info on the discounted Darbee! I truly appreciate it.

You're welcome.
post #5082 of 7863
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Originally Posted by dealer6871 View Post

Just received my Darbee from Solid Signal using their coupon code. Best price at $279.00 for a new unit I could find on the internet. Hooked it up to my Pioneer F110 plasma and Sony BDP-ES5000 blu ray player. Didn't change the Sony settings currently at 1080P/24 and Deep Color. HDMI direct to my Kuro and analog audio to a Krell HTS Processor.
I have to say I'm happy so far with results experienced by adding the Darbee. My Kuro was professionally calibrated by Chad B. Chad does a great job, but adding the Darbee gave me that added "lifting of the veil" expereince reported by other users. It was really evident when I played my Iron Man blu ray and went to the first time he put on his armor. There were a lot of shots where you could use the split screen to see the difference the Darbee made to the picture. Using the HD 45 setting the difference in his armor on the split was like looking at the difference between unpolished and polished armor. I had no problems with dropouts, tearing or flashes with this configuration.
The one qualifier is I'm assuming the zero setting on the Darbee is giving me the same picture I would see if the Darbee was not in the chain. That may not be true, since the Darby is really not a true pass through and is still processing the signal even at a zero setting.
I'm going to play with it more this weekend, but so far I would recommend the Darbee to friends.

Well, it is sort of $279. But after they add sales tax, mine was ringing up at $295.74.
I can get one from Amazon anytime for $319 with no tax or shipping added. Yes, the Solid Signal price is still a bit cheaper, but not really all that much to get excited about. Had it been $279 out the door, I would have pulled the trigger.Since it is only $15 cheaper, I'll wait.
post #5083 of 7863
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Originally Posted by dealer6871 View Post

The one qualifier is I'm assuming the zero setting on the Darbee is giving me the same picture I would see if the Darbee was not in the chain. That may not be true, since the Darby is really not a true pass through and is still processing the signal even at a zero setting.
I'm going to play with it more this weekend, but so far I would recommend the Darbee to friends.

I posed this question a while back and others had tested the '0' setting against a hard bypass (darbee wired not in circuit ) and essentially there appeared to be no difference. I believe one of the posters happened to have 2 identical displays and the other used a hdmi switcher with the darbee only on one of the inputs.

Though feel free to do your own tests smile.gif
post #5084 of 7863
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Originally Posted by dealer6871 View Post

I have to say I'm happy so far with results experienced by adding the Darbee. My Kuro was professionally calibrated by Chad B. Chad does a great job, but adding the Darbee gave me that added "lifting of the veil" experience reported by other users. It was really evident when I played my Iron Man blu ray and went to the first time he put on his armor. There were a lot of shots where you could use the split screen to see the difference the Darbee made to the picture. Using the HD 45 setting the difference in his armor on the split was like looking at the difference between unpolished and polished armor. I had no problems with dropouts, tearing or flashes with this configuration.
The one qualifier is I'm assuming the zero setting on the Darbee is giving me the same picture I would see if the Darbee was not in the chain. That may not be true, since the Darby is really not a true pass through and is still processing the signal even at a zero setting.
I'm going to play with it more this weekend, but so far I would recommend the Darbee to friends.

Mmm, Kuro by Chad, must be nice. Chad did my current and last plasmas, he's a pleasure to have in your home, and does great work.

I've been wondering why someone hasn't done a bypass test of the Darbee - you can't help wondering if there's any visible difference between "0" and none.
post #5085 of 7863
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Originally Posted by suffolk112000 View Post

Well, it is sort of $279. But after they add sales tax, mine was ringing up at $295.74.
I can get one from Amazon anytime for $319 with no tax or shipping added. Yes, the Solid Signal price is still a bit cheaper, but not really all that much to get excited about. Had it been $279 out the door, I would have pulled the trigger.Since it is only $15 cheaper, I'll wait.

Just to be clear it is $279 out the door for many others, mine was. And Solid Signal actually responds to emails quickly. I too bought a second Darbee from them.
post #5086 of 7863
My Darbee arrived today. I eagerly connected it up adjusted the percentage to 55% on Game. Saw the opening scenes of Outlander and was literally blown away. I use this as my reference.
This was on my Panasonic 65VT20A. I have yet to fire up the Projector as it is situated in a media room and is not light controlled. Will try that later tonight.
I finally can see what all the fuss is about. I must say I was very sceptical at first. I felt reassured after reading Kris Deering's review but there is nothing like experiencing it yourself.
And also please to confirm that HDMI (out) AVR> Darbee> 1x2 HDMI 1.4a splitter > Projector and TV works. Saves purchasing another Darbee biggrin.gif
post #5087 of 7863
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

Just to be clear it is $279 out the door for many others, mine was. And Solid Signal actually responds to emails quickly. I too bought a second Darbee from them.

Pity they don't post to Australia:eek:
post #5088 of 7863
I have been reading about the Darblet for sometime and just took the plunge. Excited to see what it can do with my projector. This thing seems to good to be true, but many AVS forum members that I trust seem to like it and it works as advertised.
post #5089 of 7863
Just bought my first one from Solid Signal with the promo code, will have by Monday. Question is I have a Yamaha RXV-671 and a Sony XBR4. All of my components are hooked to the Yammy with its output going to the tv. I assumed I could put the Darbee between my AVR and my TV. Will I have issues with this? Components are XBOX 360, Panasonic BDP-210, and a digital cable box. Any suggestions in preparation are appreciated!
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You'll need another cable. And you're done. Stop worrying and enjoy it!

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Originally Posted by muffinmcfluffin View Post

I guess I'll ask the question I had before but much, much briefer...
Is there anything against putting the Darblet before my HD-PVR in the chain? Will it simply not work, or can I do it without a problem?

Yes you could, as with anything some systems might work that way, some may not. Those with a PVR receiver from the provider such as Dish or Comcast etc... can't do this since it records directly from the stream, and there is no way to get the Darbee before the stream. But if you use a separate HD DVR with an HDMI input and output you could do that, then the recording could show with the Darbee effect later (I am assuming) without the Darbee.
post #5092 of 7863
Hello all! I'm looking to sell my darbee darblet I bought it in September. I just bought some speaker and need the cash to help pay for them. I selling it for 250 or best offer. I figured I offer here first before I put it on ebay or the classified section of avsforums. Just pm me if interested smile.gif
post #5093 of 7863
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Originally Posted by glantern30 View Post

Hello all! I'm looking to sell my darbee darblet I bought it in September. I just bought some speaker and need the cash to help pay for them. I selling it for 250 or best offer. I figured I offer here first before I put it on ebay or the classified section of avsforums. Just pm me if interested smile.gif

FYI, they are selling on Ebay for much less than that. I picked mine up for considerably less than that. The one I bought had only been used 1 month and is in like new condition.
post #5094 of 7863
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Originally Posted by ack_bk View Post

FYI, they are selling on Ebay for much less than that. I picked mine up for considerably less than that. The one I bought had only been used 1 month and is in like new condition.

I guess some people just can't see how good it is! - well, it's good for your savings.
post #5095 of 7863
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

Yes you could, as with anything some systems might work that way, some may not. Those with a PVR receiver from the provider such as Dish or Comcast etc... can't do this since it records directly from the stream, and there is no way to get the Darbee before the stream. But if you use a separate HD DVR with an HDMI input and output you could do that, then the recording could show with the Darbee effect later (I am assuming) without the Darbee.

Thanks! I have all of the essentials, but it would be a cable switching nightmare if it doesn't work (that is, it might take me over an hour just to test it out for myself, and I didn't want to waste that time if it wouldn't work).

I suppose my next question is... how come no one here has done that yet? We're trying to show people how well this thing works, and I don't think anyone has tried this. Sure, when uploaded to YouTube the file will be compressed, but I think that's much more controlled than a camcorder or something like that.

I'll try it and let you know how it works!
post #5096 of 7863
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Originally Posted by tampa8 View Post

Yes you could, as with anything some systems might work that way, some may not. Those with a PVR receiver from the provider such as Dish or Comcast etc... can't do this since it records directly from the stream, and there is no way to get the Darbee before the stream. But if you use a separate HD DVR with an HDMI input and output you could do that, then the recording could show with the Darbee effect later (I am assuming) without the Darbee.

There is an HD PVR with HDMI input? Which one? i'd like to transfer all of my home video to it.
post #5097 of 7863
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

Last night my wife and I watched Snow White and the Huntsman Blu-ray, rented from Netflix. I notice a lot of noise artifacts on several close-up scenes, but was unable to play with the settings of the two Darblet's I have in series to see if I could mitigate the artifacts. I checked on the Blu-ray review at High-Def Digest, and they said the video quality was fantastic. Did anyone see this movie and notice any artifacts with the Darblet in the mix?
I wish I could have played around, but it is just not easy. I am unable to control one unit at a time remotely, so I have to get up and go make the changes manually. With my wife in the room, that was not possible. When the movie was finished, it was late. Today, I have to babysit our toddler, so I don't have time to pop the disc in, wait 20 minutes to get to the menu, find a scene, and play with settings.
Anyway, if anyone has any input, I would appreciate it. I realize this is just part of the Darbee Vision technology, as explained by DarbeeDr, but was wondering if this disc is especially adept at "tricking" the Darblet.
Thanks.
Mark

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Last night I watched Men In Black 3, and noticed a lot of noise artifacts (or is it film grain) in many of the scenes. Again, I was watching with my wife, and could not experiment with the Darblet settings. However, I own the disc, and can look again in the future. First, I would like to know if anyone noticed it; black snow on a blue sky, for instance. Since it was pretty common throughout the film, I did not take note of any time stamps. I think it may just be film grain. Hopefully it is not my setup.
Thanks.
Mark

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Originally Posted by mattg3 View Post

I have a Darbee and watched the sd dvd version of Men In black 3 and saw no film grain and felt the pq was amazing and as good a reference disc for the darbee as i have seen.I have a samsung 55 8500 that is professionally calibrated and i used the Oppo 83 dvd player connected to darbee and then directly to the display.My darbee is set at gaming 46.

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I have MIB3, but didn't take it for a spin with the Darblet. Will do soon.
However, I did try it with your other problem disc - Snow White and the Hunstmen - and can confirm the image was definitely grainy, with the Darblet on or off. It's been a while since I watched it (without the Darblet); I assumed it was one of those films that was naturally noisy/grainy to begin with. There's a great scene where Snow White is confronted by the Troll in the woods... I did a lot of Darblet demo'ing here. The scales/detail on the Troll's face and body were really enhanced!

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I didn't notice anything when I watched it Friday night.

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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

I watched my Blu-ray copy last night, picture and sound were outstanding. Did not notice any artifacts.

I finished watching The Dark Knight, and then popped in Men In Black 3 to check on this "issue" again. I found an easy to locate scene to notice the film grain or whatever it is I am seeing; the beginning of Chapter 5. Agent J is sitting on the couch in his apartment; if you look at the wall behind him, in the large expanse of grey areas, there is some very fine black snow. I notice this with the Darblets (I have two in series) on or off.

Does anyone else see this, or is it my system?

Thanks.

Mark
post #5098 of 7863

I just watched MIB3 and film grain is much more prominent in that movie than most.

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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

There is an HD PVR with HDMI input? Which one? i'd like to transfer all of my home video to it.

Not one that I know of, but the OP is aware you need HDMI, in and out. He said he has all the essentials.....
post #5100 of 7863
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Originally Posted by giomania View Post

I finished watching The Dark Knight, and then popped in Men In Black 3 to check on this "issue" again. I found an easy to locate scene to notice the film grain or whatever it is I am seeing; the beginning of Chapter 5. Agent J is sitting on the couch in his apartment; if you look at the wall behind him, in the large expanse of grey areas, there is some very fine black snow. I notice this with the Darblets (I have two in series) on or off.
Does anyone else see this, or is it my system?
Thanks.
Mark

I watched MIB3 BD rental recently and remembered your earlier post. Yes, it was definitely grainy, more so than most modern BDs to my eye. Darbee didn't really matter.

But I've seen at least two glowing reviews, one of which specifically mentioned a lack graininess, the other said best of the year or something like that.

So something of a mystery, but luckily I don't really care since I thought the cinematography was boring and sitcomish, and in my little world, great BDs of movies with poor photography hold no interest for me visually. I thought the whole thing looked like it was done on the cheap really.
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