Darbee vision darblet - Page 177

It's to do with the EQing of the HDMI signal to allow for the longer cables which can attenuate the signal. Shorter cables can therefore allow the signal into the next device to be a little 'hot'.

In your case you got lucky. The real recommendation is if you are having problems with the HDMI protocol and you are using a less than 6 ft cable in the chain, then the first thing you should try is a longer cable.

Exciting!! Now what do I do with my XD and Darbee ??
Man, got to save up for the new device! I am thinking maybe 4K upscale

I am guessing 4K scaling in the Radiance successor and hoping for at least 10x10x10 LUT calibration.

10x10x10 would be awesome..However, I think it is still years out to get some traction on 4K content. I think my XD+Darbee could at least still serve me well for another 2-3 years before I hop on the 4K bandwagon!

Exactly.

Grats Doc

There is a new Darbee being released reportedly early this year. The Darbee Cobalt. It will not do 3D enhancement, but I think will do most everything else the same. Price will probably be less? Information was at Solid Signal.

Here's the link for the Cobalt> http://forums.solidsignal.com/content.php/1337-CES-2013-DARBEE-Cobalt-announced!

Yes, it appears to be a cheaper version of the darblet, in that it doesn't support 3D.

I woulda bought this version instead, though perhaps it won't be much cheaper than my darblet's intro price.

Not interested in a cheaper version. I think they could put the functionality of Radiance Mini-3D in a $500 product. That I would buy.

That's sounds good. It will be a good device for a display that will not be used with 3D. I wonder what the price difference will be? I could have used this on my secondary display.

Thanks for the answer. We use to do that with antenna cable in the old days. Radio Shack had a 6 db attenuator for that purpose.

I wonder if this will be quirky like the Darblet and require an AVS Forums thread with more than 5200 posts, or will normal people be able to plug it in and use it without many problems? ..

If by quirky you mean works great for all but a small percentage - then yes I hope it is like the orginal one.....

Normal people can really only handle about two steps in a process before becoming confused. The Darbee requires 3 plugs - signal in, signal out, and power.

This alone will keep this in the expert category of components.

Targetting the low-cost high-volume market would be a mistake. I agree that based on problems seen in this thread it would be a support nightmare. Oppo have it right by sticking with $500+ products. It's easily possible to take a large chunk of Lumagen's market with a $500 product.

Yes, plus the subtle, yet noticeable (to the avid image enthusiast), improvement may not be something a larger market would be willing to pay for at any price.

But lumagen support is really 2nd to none, compared to Oppo, if you ask me. Lumagen had so many FW update that does not only fix issues, but features added (like the 21pt CMS and then 125pt CMS) that they could easily charge people more $$, but they don't. If you request a feature, they usually listen and find time to implement. So, even though they are expensive, i feel like I am just amortizing this over a few great years of support and new features when they come out. Sorry for OT

Hello,
 
I just unboxed my Darblet yesterday and hooked it up to my system. After around 15 minutes of perfect viewing the image started to show a thin horizontal green line in the first top quarter of the screen, then the picture flickered and soon enough the HDMI handshake was lost altogether and intermittently. The picture kept appearing and disappearing at a rate of around 20 seconds for each state.
Disconnecting the Darbee for a while (I checked after 30 minutes each time) and hooking it up again solved the problem for 10~15 minutes then the problem started again in the same manner.
 
A few words about the devices of my system that were in use for this test:
 
-          Source: Dune HD Base, playing DVD’s or BlueRay’s
-          Processor: Anthem Statement D2v 3D with 3.09f firmware
-          Display: Epson EH-TW9000 (6010) projector
 
The HDMI cables between the devices have all been checked for High-Speed HDMI 1.4 compliance using my QuantumData QD-780 pattern generator/cable checker.
Between the source and the processor the cable is 2m length and between the processor and the projector it is 10m length.
I used a 2m length HDMI cable between the processor and the Darbee.
 
The problems that occurred were quicker to appear with SD material such as DVDs.
 
Awaiting for your help.
 
Thank you
 

Try turning off the deep color setting if you have this on your BD player, and/or change the 4:4:4 setting to 4:2:2. This work for me.

SInce I purchased my darblet last August, have had numerous hdmi handshaking problems with my displays. Heard about the Geffen HDMI Detective Plus, bought one and it has solved all my hdmi problems. I think one could be had from Amazon for less than $100. Yeah another expense but to me it is worth it, whether you are dealing with darblet hdmi problems or other handshaking issues.

The Lumagen/Darbee marriage will be a big plus for both...and us. I trust Lumagen to work out the kinks and give us a (more) reliable product.

I hope, but more to the Darbee $ and less the Lumagen $$$

Darbee is in a very nice place. They are soon to have their product in three $ levels. Non-3D, 3D, and Lumagen.

The deep color setting helps a lot of people, and even moving the Darblet to the tv/pj end of the chain, but it's worse in SD material, weird. There has been some mention of issues with Dune and some reporting no issues. There seemed to be a firmware change that addressed one of 'em.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet/2400#post_22322660
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet/1620#post_22278237

I have owned my JVC projector a couple of years now and was looking for an upgrade. I auditioned 3D a few times and found although the results were spectacular the practicality of this upgrade was not.
Then I read the now famous review about this product and thought," 3D without the glasses," nice! The Darbee web site displayed striking differences between plain and darbee'd images. I took the plunge.

What I am seeing;

I see blown out whites at any setting.( I am currently using the HD setting @ 40%)
I see noise on HD cable images not present when Darbee is off.
I see a perceptible increase in the quality of black images.
Still images look very different with darbee on or off but I do not find the same striking differences with moving images.


I am not seeing 3D without the glasses.
I am unsure whether the treated images look better to my eyes than the untreated image.
The cost of this product was the same as a 3D repeater and a couple pairs of 3D glasses.
I can confidently state that 3D upgrade offers more bang for the buck, at least for a couple of people as the costs are the same.

I will play with Darbee a bit more and maybe get some input from members on tips and tweaks, but as off now this upgrade is not worth the cost..

Hello kiwi2000, what review are you referring to, I'd like to read it. I'm surprised that some one would claim that the darblet would have the same effect as 3D.

In reply to Kiwi2000:

I see blown out whites at any setting.( I am currently using the HD setting @ 40%)
**The Darbee shouldn't be blowing out whites. If it was, believe me, we would have been reading about it for months now!
You may want to recalibrate your entire set-up.
I see noise on HD cable images not present when Darbee is off.
**Possible. I've found that on compressed satellite HD images that the Darbee can create some additional 'noise' in the picture. I've found that to be the case with Blu-rays that have a heavy grain structure. However, the Darbee, to me, still makes for a more pleasing image overall.
I see a perceptible increase in the quality of black images.
**That's great! The Darbee doesn't make black levels better. It creates better contrast between lighter and darker which can lead to a perception of increased black levels. Always a good thing.
Still images look very different with Darbee on or off but I do not find the same striking differences with moving images.
**That doesn't mean the difference disappears when the image is moving. It is still present. Keep testing still vs. moving images and your brain/eye coordination should eventually be able to see the Darbee processing on moving images as well. Close-ups especially.
I am not seeing 3D without the glasses.
**Nor should you. Please don't buy into the hype that the Darbee creates 3D imagery out of a 2D picture. It doesn't. What it does it gives better contrast between light and dark which creates an image that can possibly have a 3D-ish look. It WON'T be 3D.
I am unsure whether the treated images look better to my eyes than the untreated image.
**More testing will determine that for you.
The cost of this product was the same as a 3D repeater and a couple pairs of 3D glasses.
**Again, it does NOT create 3D imagery like wearing 3D glasses watching a 3D Blu-ray movie. Two completely different things. But, the current Darbee will enhance a 3D presentation.
I can confidently state that 3D upgrade offers more bang for the buck, at least for a couple of people as the costs are the same.
I will play with Darbee a bit more and maybe get some input from members on tips and tweaks, but as off now this upgrade is not worth the cost.
**Best wishes.

Hello kiwi2000, what review are you referring to, I'd like to read it. I'm surprised that some one would claim that the darblet would have the same effect as 3D.

i am referring to the (paid), gushing widescreen review by editor Gary Reber.
Edited by kiwi2000 - 1/8/13 at 6:40pm

Is there anyone using darbee with sony hw50es or epson5020/6020? Is it worth it? How is the performance? Thank you