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post #5761 of 7863
any newer versions of this in the near future? the remote and clear plastic case on this thing are very cheap looking for a $319 price tag.. You get a better remote with a $39 dvd player. The product seems interesting but i cant see plunking down $319 with these cheap materials.
post #5762 of 7863
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Originally Posted by dave1969 View Post

any newer versions of this in the near future? the remote and clear plastic case on this thing are very cheap looking for a $319 price tag.. You get a better remote with a $39 dvd player. The product seems interesting but i cant see plunking down $319 with these cheap materials.

That's the best reason I've ever heard for passing on a better picture.

Mine is thrown in the back behind the equipment. I never see it, so I can use it.
post #5763 of 7863
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Originally Posted by dave1969 View Post

any newer versions of this in the near future? the remote and clear plastic case on this thing are very cheap looking for a $319 price tag.. You get a better remote with a $39 dvd player. The product seems interesting but i cant see plunking down $319 with these cheap materials.

If the Darbee esthetics is a key concern for you, then the Darbee may not be for you, given your comments. The Darbee is not bought to openly display, like a large coffee table book, but for its video processing. After awhile, I just put it off to the side and don't bother looking at it because the levels have been set and I don't need to change them - viewer preference. Somehow or other, the idea that the remote looked cheap never came to mind.
post #5764 of 7863
I would much prefer to have an ugly piece of equipment that worked well,as opposed to a
Sleek,shiny ,cosmetically pleasing one that didn't.
post #5765 of 7863
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Originally Posted by fookoo_2010 View Post

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Somehow or other, the idea that the remote looked cheap never came to mind.

And if that bugs anyone they can just program their universal and be done with it. Hardly a deal breaker, especially considering what it offers.
post #5766 of 7863
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Originally Posted by hodges69 View Post

I would much prefer to have an ugly piece of equipment that worked well,as opposed to a
Sleek,shiny ,cosmetically pleasing one that didn't.

Well put!
post #5767 of 7863
Warning to everyone - show the Remote to the significant other, and ask nicely for her NOT to Throw It Out! It belongs to something in your setup!
Be prepared, no matter how nicely you say it, you'll be told to `Stop shouting at her!' Then she'll leave the room. (But she probably will Not throw it out now.)
post #5768 of 7863
i'm trying to talk my significat other into buying a darbee with me after reading some good things about it, however most of those were from guys using projectors. were on a tight budget after buying a sony 950 and she keeps saying why dont we turn on some of the processing options that i have off(which is everything except for local dimming). i told her they dont work the same as the darbee and those settings should stay off. anyway i'm still new to a lot of this tech. so how should i explain to her that the processing on the darbee is good but on the 3000 dollar tv set its bad..thanks for any info
post #5769 of 7863
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Originally Posted by hellotv View Post

i'm trying to talk my significat other into buying a darbee with me after reading some good things about it, however most of those were from guys using projectors. were on a tight budget after buying a sony 950 and she keeps saying why dont we turn on some of the processing options that i have off(which is everything except for local dimming). i told her they dont work the same as the darbee and those settings should stay off. anyway i'm still new to a lot of this tech. so how should i explain to her that the processing on the darbee is good but on the 3000 dollar tv set its bad..thanks for any info

Show her. Buy from a site with a good return policy and demonstrate the benefits. She will thank you.
post #5770 of 7863
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Originally Posted by kwok lau View Post

This is very true. It is difficult to see a difference because of the vision limitation. Just like watching video of 1080p vs 480p on small tv screen (say under 50 inches), we can see little difference too.

The difference between 480P and 1080P is easy to see on my little 27 inch monitor just as the Darbee was easy to see it's benefits when I used a 40" LCD and 67" DLP. Now with a 47" LCD and 82" DLP it's still just as easy to see the benefits of the Darbee in the video chain. And also with 3D on those sets the Darbee makes a nice improvement as well.
post #5771 of 7863
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Originally Posted by hellotv View Post

i'm trying to talk my significat other into buying a darbee with me after reading some good things about it, however most of those were from guys using projectors. were on a tight budget after buying a sony 950 and she keeps saying why dont we turn on some of the processing options that i have off(which is everything except for local dimming). i told her they dont work the same as the darbee and those settings should stay off. anyway i'm still new to a lot of this tech. so how should i explain to her that the processing on the darbee is good but on the 3000 dollar tv set its bad..thanks for any info

I am not mocking at all, but I find it fascinating your significant other is involved at this level of conversation: "she keeps saying why dont we turn on some of the processing options that i have off"

The level of particiaption I generally get from my wife is a) "not tonight" (which in this context refers to me asking if she'd like to watch a movie, though it may be applicable to other queries later..." and b) (yelling from another room) "the TV is not going on again..."
post #5772 of 7863
Regarding the cheap looking plastic design - - yes, the Darblet will not win any design awards.

And they could have made the connections (location for HDMI input/outpt) a little easier so you could have more options on how to place it within your HT system.

But really - - I'm most interested in what it can do and how it helps my PQ. Besides - - you can turn off all the lights to the unit display (I have them faintly lit) and it will easily sit beside or on top of a piece of equipment that doesn't get hot, per se. I have mine on the right back portion of my OPPO 103 Bluray player - - open rack, so you really can't see it.

RE: Use of Darbee Darblet for the Sony 950. Check with "da Rizz" on the Sony website. I believe he has a new Darbee Darblet and really likes it. This is the second time around with the Darblet for me. I returned the first one - - it really didn't do as much for my Samsung 65" LCD/LED - - which is already uber sharp. Maybe it is a personal preference - - but I could not see very much difference with it on or off with my LED TV.

RE: Use of Darbee Darblet for a Projector - in my case, the BenQ W1080ST. Absolute "no brainer!" Instant and immediate improvement in clarity, sharpness and detail. Wonderful addition to anyone's Home Theater setup. To me, the fact that folks with much more expensive projectors than mine use the Darblet tells me a lot. Plus - - it's starting to be integrated into high end processors - - which makes real business sense, company wise.

I couldn't be happier - - the Darblet really increases my "Cinemascope" and big theater experience!
post #5773 of 7863

Wow, there must be a dearth of female audio/videophiles to defend themselves!  Where is Theresa when you need her?

post #5774 of 7863
After finally getting around to watching some 3D, I'm having problems with my Darbee losing HDMI sync (only with 3D) with my Sony VW95ES projector, and was wondering if others see this and have found a solution?

My system is an Oppo 103 feeding a Radiance XD into the Darbee and then a 25' HDMI cable to the projector. 1080p60 plays flawlessly, but somewhere between every 20s and every 2 minutes, with 3D (1080p24, so effectively 1080p48 in terms of HDMI bandwidth) it loses sync with the projector. Removing the Darbee plays 3D flawlessly.

I'm going to try locating the Darbee at the projector, so it's on the receiving end of the 25' and then just needs to drive a 1' cable to the projector, but was wondering if others have found this to work for similar problems.

Cheers,
David.
post #5775 of 7863
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Originally Posted by dlinsley View Post

After finally getting around to watching some 3D, I'm having problems with my Darbee losing HDMI sync (only with 3D) with my Sony VW95ES projector, and was wondering if others see this and have found a solution?

My system is an Oppo 103 feeding a Radiance XD into the Darbee and then a 25' HDMI cable to the projector. 1080p60 plays flawlessly, but somewhere between every 20s and every 2 minutes, with 3D (1080p24, so effectively 1080p48 in terms of HDMI bandwidth) it loses sync with the projector. Removing the Darbee plays 3D flawlessly.

I'm going to try locating the Darbee at the projector, so it's on the receiving end of the 25' and then just needs to drive a 1' cable to the projector, but was wondering if others have found this to work for similar problems.

Cheers,
David.
Many many users (including myself) have experienced this problem and has been discussed in this thread many times. Oppo users have observed that turning off 'Deep Color' would fix this. In my case, some firmware update on my media player fixed it. Some suggest usage of longer (5') HDMI cables.
post #5776 of 7863
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Originally Posted by xplorar View Post

Many many users (including myself) have experienced this problem and has been discussed in this thread many times. Oppo users have observed that turning off 'Deep Color' would fix this. In my case, some firmware update on my media player fixed it. Some suggest usage of longer (5') HDMI cables.

From Adam Darbee last week when I had a question on cable length -

"As for the Cables, we recommend at least a 6 ft cable as we have run into problems with 3 ft cables. Although I have a few customers who have told me they use one and it works fine."

I ended up using a six foot cable from my receiver to the Darblet and then 20 foot cable to the projector. No problems.
post #5777 of 7863
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Originally Posted by hellotv View Post

i'm trying to talk my significat other into buying a darbee with me after reading some good things about it, however most of those were from guys using projectors. were on a tight budget after buying a sony 950 and she keeps saying why dont we turn on some of the processing options that i have off(which is everything except for local dimming). i told her they dont work the same as the darbee and those settings should stay off. anyway i'm still new to a lot of this tech. so how should i explain to her that the processing on the darbee is good but on the 3000 dollar tv set its bad..thanks for any info

You said it correctly. The Darbee does what it does differently than a TV would, it's a new process. In fact what sold me early on was exactly those with experience who may frown on manipulating the picture much, who yet were happy with the Darbee. You may not see the effect in every moment of watching TV, but in many cases you will and it will enhance, more than I would say manipulate.
post #5778 of 7863
Is the only difference between the colbalt and the darblet is 3D processing? Everything else the same (except for the color of the unit)? I have a 2D projector so I don't need 3D processing. Figure I save a few bucks smile.gif
post #5779 of 7863
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Originally Posted by den110 View Post

Is the only difference between the colbalt and the darblet is 3D processing? Everything else the same (except for the color of the unit)? I have a 2D projector so I don't need 3D processing. Figure I save a few bucks smile.gif

You got it right. Save the few bucks & go for it!!!
post #5780 of 7863
Sorry for the ignorance, but I have a connection question on the Darblet. I have a Epson 5020, running HDMI into my Denon 3312 receiver, I also use a PS3 for BD/3D and Direct TV satelite cable box, both running HDMI into my Denon 3312. Where should I plug the Darblet then? Does the Darblet get plugged in between my Epson projector and my Denon receiver? ie come out of my projector into the Darblet and then out of the Darblet with an additional HDMI cord into my Denon reveiver?
post #5781 of 7863
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Originally Posted by prospersigman View Post

Sorry for the ignorance, but I have a connection question on the Darblet. I have a Epson 5020, running HDMI into my Denon 3312 receiver, I also use a PS3 for BD/3D and Direct TV satelite cable box, both running HDMI into my Denon 3312. Where should I plug the Darblet then? Does the Darblet get plugged in between my Epson projector and my Denon receiver? ie come out of my projector into the Darblet and then out of the Darblet with an additional HDMI cord into my Denon reveiver?

To use with the Pj, yes.
post #5782 of 7863
My Darbee will no longer output the video signal. Just stopped working like I lost the handshake. I have tried turning off and back on, etc. I went to the website, but can't seem to find any contact info for technical support? Anyone know how I can contact Darbee support or perhaps have any suggestions to correct this.
post #5783 of 7863
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Originally Posted by HTPCat View Post

My Darbee will no longer output the video signal. Just stopped working like I lost the handshake. I have tried turning off and back on, etc. I went to the website, but can't seem to find any contact info for technical support? Anyone know how I can contact Darbee support or perhaps have any suggestions to correct this.

From the Darbee website.
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How to Return

Contact your Authorized Dealer to request an RMA# (Return Merchandise Authorization Number).

Your Dealer will contact us and we will send you complete instructions on how to return your product.

Please ship your product to our DarbeeVision Shipment Receiving Address:

DarbeeVision
401 N. Cotswolds Lane #C
Orange CA 92869

When shipping your unit to us we recommend using the original packaging.

Once we receive the item(s) (please include a document that clearly shows the return authorization code), we will issue a Refund Memo to your Authorized Dealer and send you a confirmation email.

Technical problems with your new product

If you're having trouble with your new DarbeeVision product, please send an email to info@darbeevision.com before attempting a return. If DarbeeVision Technical Support cannot resolve your issue, contact your Authorized Dealer, to initiate a return process.

If you're having trouble with a DarbeeVision product outside of DarbeeVision's 30 day return policy, please contact us.

http://darbeevision.com/shipping_returns_policy
post #5784 of 7863
After pluging in my new unit of Darblet, I notice a slight green tint projected from my Sony HW30ES
Anyway to solve this other than to re-calibrate my Sony?
post #5785 of 7863
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Originally Posted by mpyw View Post

After pluging in my new unit of Darblet, I notice a slight green tint projected from my Sony HW30ES
Anyway to solve this other than to re-calibrate my Sony?

You should not have to recalibrate your Sony! Something is wrong if you are getting a green tint with the Darbee installed... What happens when you try different modes or levels on the Darbee? Any change? Seems to me something else is wrong... bad HDMI cable? If the green tint is gone with the Darbee removed then maybe you have a defective unit...
post #5786 of 7863
Totally agree, something is wrong.
post #5787 of 7863
Can't think why, but maybe it's somehow effecting which colour space the Sony chooses if it's set to 'automatic'. Try forcing RGB, YCrBr 4:2:2 or YCrBr 4:4:4 in the projector in turn to see if one of these settings gives the correct result. Otherwise then yes it does sound like it's faulty.
post #5788 of 7863
will try to take out the Darbee and re-check the image.
Thanks for the input.
post #5789 of 7863
Got a Cobalt for my birthday (thanks, bro!). Easy to install (thankfully, Oppo provides an HDMI cable, so I had an extra. Too bad Darbee doesn't, especially with the apparent importance of the length), and so far it's working flawlessly. No handshake issues or dropouts, despite switching frequently among Blu-ray, CATV, and AppleTV. It just comes on when it's supposed to and works. The menus are easy to navigate, including turning down the LEDs, removing the persistent logo, etc. The remote works well, and I actually think it's kinda cute.

How's it look? Hmm, too soon to tell. I've always been partial to high-contrast images (less important now with HD), and that seems its major effect. There might be a slight color-shift (towards brighter, or even bluer), but I'm not sure.

I might make a comment similar to the guy's wife upthread: can't you just use some of the settings on your fancy, expensive HDTV to provide similar effects? You'd think, but we're told by the experts, "no," because it introduces too much artificiality, from "ringing" to you name it. Likewise, "soap opera effect." I've become pretty much inured to that by virtue of leaving my Samsung's Motion Plus on all the time. I don't even notice it anymore.

Not with the Darbee. My SOE is way more apparent now. Is there any chance it's doing some kind of frame interpolation? I don't see how, but thought I'd ask anyway. My suspicion is that it's a depth-of-field issue. That's really the problem with SOE--live and video-based sources always have so much more in focus than does film, and it bothers people. With the Darbee, there's a lot more detail, especially in the background, which mimics this.

So, is it really better? It does look sharper--turning it off seems to shift the picture slightly out of focus, and that's annoying. (Maybe that's what the Darbee really does: degrades your picture while making the processed image look normal. Clever!) And, it is absolutely true that the best results come from the best sources: Blu-ray definitely shows the greatest improvement with the least amount of adverse effects. Streaming and cable HD sources fair worse, with macro-blocking and compression artifacts being even more noticeable with the Darbee. I don't see how it could improve SD or YouTube videos, even though that's supposedly what the Pop setting is for.

Oh, and I should point out that my now-five-year-old Samsung 52-inch LCD is really the perfect platform for this. I've had a recent boost in picture quality thanks to the VP chips in my new Onkyo AVR. I was hoping this would really put me over the top.

I'll keep watching and let you know.
post #5790 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Otto Hemi View Post

How's it look? Hmm, too soon to tell. I've always been partial to high-contrast images (less important now with HD), and that seems its major effect. There might be a slight color-shift (towards brighter, or even bluer), but I'm not sure.

The Darbee does not change the image's color values at all.
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Not with the Darbee. My SOE is way more apparent now. Is there any chance it's doing some kind of frame interpolation?

No, not frame interpolation. The number of frames that go in are the number that go out. Interpolation would require that the Darbee output at 120 Hz, which it doesn't.
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So, is it really better? It does look sharper--turning it off seems to shift the picture slightly out of focus, and that's annoying. (Maybe that's what the Darbee really does: degrades your picture while making the processed image look normal. Clever!)

Enough people have tested this to prove that's not the case.
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