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post #6181 of 7863
So I just got a 65zt60 rewired everything and the darbee has freaked out 3 times in one sitting of avengers with about 20 min left. It is very warm to the touch and if I power cycle the darbee the picture comes back. Any suggestions? Had my darbee since last August with no issues like this


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post #6182 of 7863
Now I can't even get it to power on. When I plug it in the red light just links over and over again


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post #6183 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

This is addicting. What - - every five years - - A/V & Projector/TV upgrade? At least my speakers (Paradigm including the beastly CC-690) will stay the same!

I tell you, great minds think alike. I put most of my coin into Paradigm towers, just below the reference range at the time and to date they are the only components that I haven't swapped out, and
very likely won't unless I get tired of the color. So far I've gone from a data projector to 720p to 1080p 3D and in a few years 4K. By not buying at the top of the rung like the $25K Sonys I can
justify periodic upgrades and feel good about it.

For the record -- PS3 3D glasses work on the Sony HW30, and work very well. I can buy 5-6 pairs for the cost of the 'approved' Sony projector glasses.

And the Darbee continues to amaze. In some ways very close to as much from going from 720p to 1080p -- really. Subjective of course, but dang that is a good picture. I keep toggling between 40 and 60% and stay in HD mode.

Life is good.
post #6184 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

This is addicting. What - - every five years - - A/V & Projector/TV upgrade? At least my speakers (Paradigm including the beastly CC-690) will stay the same!

I tell you, great minds think alike. I put most of my coin into Paradigm towers, just below the reference range at the time and to date they are the only components that I haven't swapped out, and
very likely won't unless I get tired of the color. So far I've gone from a data projector to 720p to 1080p 3D and in a few years 4K. By not buying at the top of the rung like the $25K Sonys I can
justify periodic upgrades and feel good about it.

For the record -- PS3 3D glasses work on the Sony HW30, and work very well. I can buy 5-6 pairs for the cost of the 'approved' Sony projector glasses.

And the Darbee continues to amaze. In some ways very close to as much from going from 720p to 1080p -- really. Subjective of course, but dang that is a good picture. I keep toggling between 40 and 60% and stay in HD mode.

Life is good.
post #6185 of 7863
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

The other direction to look at this from is to ask what sources will you have to play that have colors beyond REC 709?

The new range of 4K Remastered Blu-Ray movies from Sony are using the new wide colour spaces.


An excerpt from an online retailer...

Special Features...

The Blu-ray “Mastered in 4K” collection will set a new standard for Blu-ray HD picture and sound, creating the ultimate 1080p home entertainment experience. Created from the highest quality 4K source materials with new expanded color*, consumers can enjoy a brilliant picture with exquisite detail using their existing Blu-ray player or PlayStation®3. The Blu-ray “Mastered in 4K” collection is optimized so that 4K Ultra HD TV owners can take full advantage of the new 4K upscaling technology, delivering an outstanding near-4K experience. “Mastered in 4K” Blu-rays also work with all 1080p HDTVs for spectacular high definition picture and sound.

*Expanded color requires xvYCC-compatible TV and Blu-ray player
post #6186 of 7863
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Originally Posted by stimpy88 View Post

The new range of 4K Remastered Blu-Ray movies from Sony are using the new wide colour spaces.


An excerpt from an online retailer...

Special Features...

The Blu-ray “Mastered in 4K” collection will set a new standard for Blu-ray HD picture and sound, creating the ultimate 1080p home entertainment experience. Created from the highest quality 4K source materials with new expanded color*, consumers can enjoy a brilliant picture with exquisite detail using their existing Blu-ray player or PlayStation®3. The Blu-ray “Mastered in 4K” collection is optimized so that 4K Ultra HD TV owners can take full advantage of the new 4K upscaling technology, delivering an outstanding near-4K experience. “Mastered in 4K” Blu-rays also work with all 1080p HDTVs for spectacular high definition picture and sound.

*Expanded color requires xvYCC-compatible TV and Blu-ray player

The Sony discs are not encoded with actual "deep color". Sony is doing proprietary trickery to use some negative values (unused bits or something) in the encoded RGB numbers to cram in more color info. Only certain Sony blu-ray players coupled with Sony Triluminos displays can take advantage of the xyvcc color they're encoding on these discs.
post #6187 of 7863
Well, my PS3 is what I watch Blu-Ray's with, and that supports it.

Why would the player have to support deep colour, if Sony are simply using "trickery"?
post #6188 of 7863
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Originally Posted by stimpy88 View Post

Well, my PS3 is what I watch Blu-Ray's with, and that supports it.

Why would the player have to support deep colour, if Sony are simply using "trickery"?

The Mastered in 4K blu-rays don't say they support "deep color", they say they support expanded color. They also say you need an xyvcc compatible display, but highdefidgest has confirmed that what they really mean is compatible Sony equipment (triluminos). No blu-ray is encoded with actual "deep color", not even these.

Check out the comments at the bottom of this article:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/blog/bluray-highlights-may-12-2013/

and this:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1473134/sony-master-in-4k-blu-rays-on-our-projectors-enhanced-colors#post_23327049
Edited by fatherom - 5/31/13 at 8:36am
post #6189 of 7863
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Originally Posted by stimpy88 View Post

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Created from the highest quality 4K source materials with new expanded color*
...

If they have adhered to some defined color spec I can calibrate my new expanded color TV to, then I'd be interested. But I've had enough of taming marketing-driven single-ended expanded gamut nonsense to last me a lifetime. I was an early adopter of the JVC RS line. I finally had to get a Lumagen to pull that puppy back in line and this sounds like a setup for a similar experience.
post #6190 of 7863
Darblet finally reset last night after nearly a year of it being on all the time. Whatever, but i hope it doesn't become a permanent issue for me....
post #6191 of 7863
This article just came out regarding the Spiderman 4K blu-ray with "expanded color":

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2013/05/29/blu-ray-review-spider-man-mastered-4k-version?page=0,1
post #6192 of 7863
will The Fifth Element be remastered in 4K and with expanded color??? I think I've bought this movie 4 or 5 times already eek.gif
post #6193 of 7863
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Originally Posted by KBMAN View Post

will The Fifth Element be remastered in 4K and with expanded color??? I think I've bought this movie 4 or 5 times already eek.gif

Of course you know it will.. wink.gif
post #6194 of 7863
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Originally Posted by KBMAN View Post

Darblet finally reset last night after nearly a year of it being on all the time. Whatever, but i hope it doesn't become a permanent issue for me....

I had a reset last night also, this is only the first or second time this happens - RED 100% w permanent Darbee logo mad.gif
post #6195 of 7863
Hello. I just signed om to this thread. I am lucky enough to own a 65 inch Panasonic VT50, an OPPO BDP-103 and an onkyo TX-NR809. I bought the OPPO. To be my primary blu ray player and to up convert my DIRECT TV and home theater signals. I will spare you the list of problems that the oppo has been having. Suffice it to say that the lip synching issue when I channel my satellite thru it is not acceptable. The latest firmware fixes it but, in return, it takes away my sacd-r playback capability and i am not willing to give it up. That leaves me with three options, what the signal as is, use the HQV VIDAL processor in my 809 or add a darblet. I have tried the AVRs video processor but it feels to me that it lacks a certain sharpness that I am looking for. Any advice? Does somebody have a similar combination to mine? If so, what do you do?

Purists always tell me that my equipment is so good it does not need anything else. Yet, even after professionally calibrating the TV I am looking for something more

Thanks in advance for all your help.

Jack
post #6196 of 7863
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Originally Posted by jconde View Post

Purists always tell me that my equipment is so good it does not need anything else ...

I don't believe purists would ever endorse something like the Darbee.
post #6197 of 7863
I don't know why "purist" won't endorse Darbee. There is no such thing as "pure" in home video. Everything is already compressed to death etc etc etc.

Besides, Darbee does not add detail, it's akin to de-blur algorithm.

If de-blurring is a no-no then upscaling, i/p conversion are also a no-no.
post #6198 of 7863
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Originally Posted by KBMAN View Post

will The Fifth Element be remastered in 4K and with expanded color??? I think I've bought this movie 4 or 5 times already eek.gif

Ha Ha Ha. Me too. Milla is worth it every time. biggrin.gif
post #6199 of 7863
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Originally Posted by mogrub View Post

Ha Ha Ha. Me too. Milla is worth it every time. biggrin.gif

Oops. To stay on thread, I should say, Milla is worth it every time ... because of the Darblet. cool.gif
post #6200 of 7863
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Originally Posted by jconde View Post

... That leaves me with three options, what the signal as is, use the HQV VIDAL processor in my 809 or add a darblet ... Any advice? Jack

I wouldn't use the Darblet to try and mask something you can work through independently. Fix things. Then add the Darblet. When you say the latest firmware fixed the lip sync but denies you sacd-r playback capability, that sounds odd. Tell us more about that.
post #6201 of 7863
I'm a little confused. If Darbee is not a sharpening tool, then why is there a Darbee scale of 0-120? Obviously set too high and it looks way too sharp and harsh looking, so it must be sharpening, right? If it were a "de-blurring" tool, then I would think there'd be no such thing as too much focus. Or can the picture actually be too much in focus (which doesn't make sense to me)?

Sorry if this has been addressed too much already but 6000+ posts is a lot to sort through.
post #6202 of 7863
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

I don't know why "purist" won't endorse Darbee. There is no such thing as "pure" in home video. Everything is already compressed to death etc etc etc.

Besides, Darbee does not add detail, it's akin to de-blur algorithm.

If de-blurring is a no-no then upscaling, i/p conversion are also a no-no.

It's black magic, the dark arts.

Sshhhhh!!! not a word to anyone. *wink*
post #6203 of 7863
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

I don't believe purists would ever endorse something like the Darbee.

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Originally Posted by pieandchips View Post

It's black magic, the dark arts.

Sshhhhh!!! not a word to anyone. *wink*

Yup... I'm a "purist" and don't like "processing" of this type either. Heck, I don't even like scaling. I use processors to set gamma, grayscale and a 3D Color Cube LUT, but these are more for calibration rather than processing. The Darbee is the first "processor" I've liked. I use it religiously. I love it and I've never heard any "purist" say it ruins the picture... never. Has anyone who has seen it said they don't like it? Anyone??
post #6204 of 7863
Don't forget a lot of purists don't even know what pure is to begin with tongue.gif
post #6205 of 7863
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Originally Posted by mogrub View Post

I wouldn't use the Darblet to try and mask something you can work through independently. Fix things. Then add the Darblet. When you say the latest firmware fixed the lip sync but denies you sacd-r playback capability, that sounds odd. Tell us more about that.

Oppo, in its infinite wisdom has decided to disable sacd-r playback just like it disable ISO playback a few firmwares back. I guess they are under pressure from the record companies. The bottom line is that I am not willing to sacrifice that functionality so I will not be upgrading the firmware anymore. Therefore I am looking for another way to add video processing for my direct tv and my htpc. I can use the chip in the AVRs or I can buy the darblet. That is my dilemma.
post #6206 of 7863
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Originally Posted by jconde View Post

Oppo, in its infinite wisdom has decided to disable sacd-r playback just like it disable ISO playback a few firmwares back. I guess they are under pressure from the record companies. The bottom line is that I am not willing to sacrifice that functionality so I will not be upgrading the firmware anymore. Therefore I am looking for another way to add video processing for my direct tv and my htpc. I can use the chip in the AVRs or I can buy the darblet. That is my dilemma.

It sounds like you need processing that goes well beyond what the Darblet is capable of. I think your best option would be to go with one of the new new Lumagen Radiance 20XX models. They are the first high end processors on the market that incorporate Darbee's proprietary enhancement algorithms:

http://www.lumagen.com/testindex.php?module=radiance20XX_details
post #6207 of 7863
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

Has anyone who has seen it said they don't like it? Anyone??

Even my wife, who is as skeptical as anyone when it comes to frivolously spending money on A/V gear, admitted that it greatly improved the picture when I did an A-B comparison for her. smile.gif
post #6208 of 7863
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Originally Posted by gweempose View Post

Even my wife, who is as skeptical as anyone when it comes to frivolously spending money on A/V gear, admitted that it greatly improved the picture when I did an A-B comparison for her. smile.gif

I didn't even tell my wife, but all of a sudden she's really enjoying watching from the first row (1sw). "Wow... it's really beautiful down here!" She preferred the 2nd row before (1.6sw) smile.gif
post #6209 of 7863
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Originally Posted by jconde View Post

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Therefore I am looking for another way to add video processing for my direct tv and my htpc. I can use the chip in the AVRs or I can buy the darblet. That is my dilemma.

As a "purist" I'm always curious what "processing" you're after. Do you want sharpening? noise reduction? edge enhancement? scaling? There are so many processing things, including proprietary things like this Darbee, available it's kind of hard to know what your aim is.

Of course I'd tell you just go with the Darbee and forget all the rest.
post #6210 of 7863
Looking to save a little and not worried about 3d or deep color (its turned off on my OPPO). Is the Cobalt the same processing ability otherwise. I was figuring on putting it between my Denon and Vt50 and using HD around 50%

Thanks.
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