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post #6511 of 7863
It would be interesting to take an AVS poll of Darbee users and see what people use as a default setting...
My guess is that the peak of the bell curve will be clustered at about 50%.
I've been leaving ours at 55% just because I was too lazy to get up out of my chair and find a good angle on the remote. Now that I'm bouncing the IR signal off of the screen, I'll play around with it more.
post #6512 of 7863
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

A couple of questions.....

The Darblet doesn't do 4K, however, on their website it is stated the unit is "upgradable."
Anyone know if there are plans for a 4K upgrade in the future?

Another thing statement on their website indicates their goal is to put the tech in 3rd party display devices.
Has this been done yet?

Thanx.

Why would you need it for 4K? 4k itself is outstanding. I know it improves all other resolutions even 1080p and I love the improvement, but 4K?
post #6513 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Why would you need it for 4K? 4k itself is outstanding. I know it improves all other resolutions even 1080p and I love the improvement, but 4K?

Well, it will be interesting to see what it would do with 4k. The Darblet is not a resolution enhancer, so theoretically it could have just large effect on 4k too. It's a contrast and detail enhancer which is more than just resolution. But maybe the effects will be too small to see?
post #6514 of 7863
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Thanx for the info.
Just get it, you'll love it.

I suppose one way of describing it would be that it's subtle, but provides an incredibly impressive result. I was skeptical at first, seems too good to be true, but after about 4-5 days playing with it I can say it's some of the best money I ever spent on HT gear.
Edited by keenan - 7/13/13 at 11:07pm
post #6515 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Why would you need it for 4K? 4k itself is outstanding. I know it improves all other resolutions even 1080p and I love the improvement, but 4K?
I like to future-proof my HT equipment.

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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Just get it, you'll love it.

I suppose one way of describing it would be that it's subtle, but provides an incredibly impressive result. I was skeptical at first, seems too good to be true, but after about 4-5 days playing with it I can say it's some of the best money I ever spent on HT gear.
Thanx for chiming in.....
From what I can tell by the screenshots comparisons I have seen, it looks little different than the using the Detail Enhancer on my Oppo 83.
Edited by oink - 7/13/13 at 11:59pm
post #6516 of 7863
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

I like to future-proof my HT equipment.
Thanx for chiming in.....
From what I can tell by the screenshots comparisons I have seen, it looks little different than the using the Detail Enhancer on my Oppo 83.

You can't future proof everything. Your Oppo isn't 4k ready either, but it is a little more necessary than the Darbee... just a little. smile.gif

And that's the thing about the Darbee... there's nothing like it, not even your Oppo's Detail Enhancer. And I think most agree, nothing does what it does as well as it does it.
post #6517 of 7863
"4:4:4 sampling or less (internal processing is 4:4:4)" . From technical info.

Just a quick follow up on a question I had about whether it is better to send the Darblet a 4:4:4 signal or a 4:2:2 signal. My tv accepts either one.

My understanding is that the less processing a signal goes through the better. Does the above quoted tech info mean that the Darblet would take a 4:2:2 signal in and output it as a 4:4:4 signal? If that is the case, would it not be better to send it the 4:4:4 signal so there is one less processing step?

Thank you for helping me understand what is actually taking place in this outstanding device.

Best regards to all.

Steve
post #6518 of 7863
I was really bummed about the ARC limitation as I would prefer to watch and listen to pandora, amazon instant and cloud via the TV, but I just use the bluray apps to get the receiver connected speakers to play.
post #6519 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Thunderduck View Post

"4:4:4 sampling or less (internal processing is 4:4:4)" . From technical info.

Just a quick follow up on a question I had about whether it is better to send the Darblet a 4:4:4 signal or a 4:2:2 signal. My tv accepts either one.

My understanding is that the less processing a signal goes through the better. Does the above quoted tech info mean that the Darblet would take a 4:2:2 signal in and output it as a 4:4:4 signal? If that is the case, would it not be better to send it the 4:4:4 signal so there is one less processing step?

Thank you for helping me understand what is actually taking place in this outstanding device.

Best regards to all.

Steve

In general the comment about less processing is correct. However, it's possible that your BD player does a better job with 422 or RGB video or your monitor may do better with a particular color space than others. You will never know without testing them. Most of the time you won't be able to tell a difference but in some cases there are significant differences. For example, Pioneer plasma's reportedly like RGB input better than anything else. In my case, my Sharp Elite doesn't. The S&M test disc shows severe banding with RGB and it increases the red tint of peoples skins. Regarding the Darbee, if you send it 422, the Darbee will process it as 444 and send it out as 422.
post #6520 of 7863
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

Well, it will be interesting to see what it would do with 4k. The Darblet is not a resolution enhancer, so theoretically it could have just large effect on 4k too. It's a contrast and detail enhancer which is more than just resolution. But maybe the effects will be too small to see?

Does anyone know if the Darbee will pass a 4K signal?
Some 4K capable displays are out there now, and the Oppo 103 (for example) will upscale 1080p to 4K, so any issues with that?
Someone maybe has tried this already(?). confused.gif
post #6521 of 7863
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

I like to future-proof my HT equipment.
Thanx for chiming in.....
From what I can tell by the screenshots comparisons I have seen, it looks little different than the using the Detail Enhancer on my Oppo 83.
What it does is like getting your eye glass prescription updated, things all of a sudden look just a bit clearer, sharper and more detailed. At first it seems as if it's just turning up the brightness, but that's not really what's happening, the detail in the image just becomes more clear, without any of the edge enhancements artifacts that many detailers will do.

When you first get it try it with some documentary material, something that has a lot of talking heads. I watched We Are Legion: The Story of the Hacktivists via Vudu which is loaded with varying image quality interviews and when I turned the effect off/on while viewing this material I was really impressed at how it improved the overall image. Pay close attention to facial features and hair, you'll be able to tell right away what the device is doing.
post #6522 of 7863
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

What it does is like getting your eye glass prescription updated, things all of a sudden look just a bit clearer, sharper and more detailed. At first it seems as if it's just turning up the brightness, but that's not really what's happening, the detail in the image just becomes more clear, without any of the edge enhancements artifacts that many detailers will do.

When you first get it try it with some documentary material, something that has a lot of talking heads. I watched We Are Legion: The Story of the Hacktivists via Vudu which is loaded with varying image quality interviews and when I turned the effect off/on while viewing this material I was really impressed at how it improved the overall image. Pay close attention to facial features and hair, you'll be able to tell right away what the device is doing.

Or anything with mowed grass... or gravel paths... or whiskers... or skin... or fabric... or stucco walls... or dirt...
post #6523 of 7863
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

You can't future proof everything. Your Oppo isn't 4k ready either, but it is a little more necessary than the Darbee... just a little. smile.gif

And that's the thing about the Darbee... there's nothing like it, not even your Oppo's Detail Enhancer. And I think most agree, nothing does what it does as well as it does it.
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

What it does is like getting your eye glass prescription updated, things all of a sudden look just a bit clearer, sharper and more detailed. At first it seems as if it's just turning up the brightness, but that's not really what's happening, the detail in the image just becomes more clear, without any of the edge enhancements artifacts that many detailers will do.

When you first get it try it with some documentary material, something that has a lot of talking heads. I watched We Are Legion: The Story of the Hacktivists via Vudu which is loaded with varying image quality interviews and when I turned the effect off/on while viewing this material I was really impressed at how it improved the overall image. Pay close attention to facial features and hair, you'll be able to tell right away what the device is doing.
OK, you guys have convinced me.smile.gif

Now to shop around for the best price....
post #6524 of 7863
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

In general the comment about less processing is correct. However, it's possible that your BD player does a better job with 422 or RGB video or your monitor may do better with a particular color space than others. You will never know without testing them. Most of the time you won't be able to tell a difference but in some cases there are significant differences. For example, Pioneer plasma's reportedly like RGB input better than anything else. In my case, my Sharp Elite doesn't. The S&M test disc shows severe banding with RGB and it increases the red tint of peoples skins. Regarding the Darbee, if you send it 422, the Darbee will process it as 444 and send it out as 422.

Understand. Will get out my v2 S&M disk tonight and test.

Thank you for the help.
post #6525 of 7863
The best price (new) I can find is $319 including 2-day Shipping from Amazon.

One last question: is the Darbee last in the HDMI chain BEFORE the display?
post #6526 of 7863
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

The best price (new) I can find is $319 including 2-day Shipping from Amazon.

One last question: is the Darbee last in the HDMI chain BEFORE the display?

If it'll work there and in most system they do. That is the ideal place.
post #6527 of 7863
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

If it'll work there and in most system they do. That is the ideal place.
I would have thought so, but just wanted to check.

Does it make any difference if the display has a DVI input only (other than having to use a HDMI/DVI cable)?
post #6528 of 7863
If your DVI input is DVI-D and HDCP compliant, then you will not have any problem.
post #6529 of 7863
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

If your DVI input is DVI-D and HDCP compliant, then you will not have any problem.
It is.
Thanx, David.smile.gif
post #6530 of 7863
No prob. In fact I bought a used Darblet for my parents' Sony HD RPTV that is only 960i with DVI-D w/HDCP. It gives the TV a new lease of life. The TV never looked so good!

PS: It's my 5th Darblet
post #6531 of 7863
I think the way the Darblet works is that once you put it in your system, if you turn it off, the image looks blurrier than you remember it ever looking before you put the thing in in the first place. At least that's how it seemed to me.biggrin.gif
post #6532 of 7863
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

No prob. In fact I bought a used Darblet for my parents' Sony HD RPTV that is only 960i with DVI-D w/HDCP. It gives the TV a new lease of life. The TV never looked so good!

PS: It's my 5th Darblet
I just ordered one from Amazon.

I was hoping the tech had found its way into more products and I could just upgrade to a new display or whatever have you.
As much as I would love to, with my current displays it wouldn't make sense to shell out 3K for a new Lumagen....maybe next year though.wink.gif
post #6533 of 7863
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

Or anything with mowed grass... or gravel paths... or whiskers... or skin... or fabric... or stucco walls... or dirt...

Or watch like 10 seconds of Game of Thrones. Even the opening credits will look more detailed than you've ever seen them before.
post #6534 of 7863
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

It gives the TV a new lease of life. The TV never looked so good! PS: It's my 5th Darblet
It's always hard when people you respect are about to enter rehab. 😝
post #6535 of 7863
Yeah, I know... i'm David and I'm addicted to Darblets. biggrin.gif
post #6536 of 7863
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Yeah, I know... i'm David and I'm addicted to Darblets. biggrin.gif
NOOOOOOoooooo........ biggrin.gif
post #6537 of 7863
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

PS: It's my 5th Darblet

Do you have any daisy-chained?

Or am I opening up a whole new can of worms? biggrin.gif

post #6538 of 7863
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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

Do you have any daisy-chained?
Or am I opening up a whole new can of worms? biggrin.gif

I have two daisy-chained. smile.gif

Mark
post #6539 of 7863
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Originally Posted by GypsyDRB View Post

I was really bummed about the ARC limitation as I would prefer to watch and listen to pandora, amazon instant and cloud via the TV ...

You still can. Just send the audio from your TV out to your receiver via an optical cable. There is no downside to doing this, as I don't believe any of the streaming services utilize the lossless codecs yet.
post #6540 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Mad Norseman View Post

Does anyone know if the Darbee will pass a 4K signal?
Some 4K capable displays are out there now, and the Oppo 103 (for example) will upscale 1080p to 4K, so any issues with that?
Someone maybe has tried this already(?). confused.gif

Oppo does not upscale to 4K, its irrelevant. Just a gimmick to sell units. The Darbee works with any 4k tv's out now with 1080p but not sure if it would work with a true 4K signal/resolution.
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