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post #6541 of 7870
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Oppo does not upscale to 4K, its irrelevant. Just a gimmick to sell units. The Darbee works with any 4k tv's out now with 1080p but not sure if it would work with a true 4K signal/resolution.
No real argument on its relevancy but the Oppo will upscale to 4K and output it. I'm 99.9% sure the Darbee can not handle a 4K signal.
post #6542 of 7870
1. The Oppo does upscale to 4K
2. The Darblet can not pass thru the 4K signal
post #6543 of 7870
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Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

No real argument on its relevancy but the Oppo will upscale to 4K and output it. I'm 99.9% sure the Darbee can not handle a 4K signal.

Can you give me an example when you would use it, or how? It's pretty much useless for 1080p tv's. If you have a 4k tv and have the oppo and watch a bluray movie in 1080p, are you saying it would upscale it to 4K? If thats true, than that would be just like up scaling a DVD to 1080p. Wouldn't the TV already do that, upscale it to it's native resolution? If you have a 4K tv wouldn't you want to watch real 4K material? I don't see any real benefit using this 4k upscaling when the tv already does it, maybe you can show me how it would. I see it for receivers because it will allow pass through a 4K signal like my Onkyo though.
post #6544 of 7870
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Can you give me an example when you would use it, or how? It's pretty much useless for 1080p tv's. If you have a 4k tv and have the oppo and watch a bluray movie in 1080p, are you saying it would upscale it to 4K? If thats true, than that would be just like up scaling a DVD to 1080p. Wouldn't the TV already do that, upscale it to it's native resolution? If you have a 4K tv wouldn't you want to watch real 4K material? I don't see any real benefit using this 4k upscaling when the tv already does it, maybe you can show me how it would. I see it for receivers because it will allow pass through a 4K signal like my Onkyo though.

I have the Oppo 103, and I agree that 4K upscaling is a pretty worthless feature. The only way it would be useful is if you had a 4K TV, and the scaler in the Oppo was better than the one built into the TV. At this point, Id say it's mostly just a marketing gimmick.
post #6545 of 7870
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Originally Posted by Latinoheat View Post

Can you give me an example when you would use it, or how? It's pretty much useless for 1080p tv's. If you have a 4k tv and have the oppo and watch a bluray movie in 1080p, are you saying it would upscale it to 4K? If thats true, than that would be just like up scaling a DVD to 1080p. Wouldn't the TV already do that, upscale it to it's native resolution? If you have a 4K tv wouldn't you want to watch real 4K material? I don't see any real benefit using this 4k upscaling when the tv already does it, maybe you can show me how it would. I see it for receivers because it will allow pass through a 4K signal like my Onkyo though.
hmmm... I was agreeing with you for the most part. I'm just saying it has the capability. In theory the Oppo could do a better job upscaling to 4K then your display, but I agree it is mostly a marketing checkoff feature. It does have the feature though, perhaps you should research it on Oppo's site.

ETA: You may also not know that the current Oppos have video inputs so you can avail yourself of the built in scaler up to 4K.
Edited by obie_fl - 7/16/13 at 1:10pm
post #6546 of 7870
Depends on the TV. Currently the Sony 4K TV upscaler do a better job than the Oppo. However if you use Seiki, then the Oppo upscales better than the TV.
post #6547 of 7870
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Depends on the TV. Currently the Sony 4K TV upscaler do a better job than the Oppo. However if you use Seiki, then the Oppo upscales better than the TV.

That's why I thought, I don't see anybody owning an Oppo buying a Seiki either , they would likely buy a high end display. I guess when the time comes , I will move my Darbee downstairs to my Media room 1080p plasma since it will not work with 4K.
post #6548 of 7870
On a completely separate note, I just ordered my 6th Darblet. This time as a gift for my brother. Maybe after my 10th Darblet I get a free one biggrin.gif
post #6549 of 7870

I'm sure they'd be happy to have a distributor in Canada.

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post #6550 of 7870
Hahahaha! Not much distribution when the first four are in my house, one at my Dad's and another at my brother's. biggrin.gif

But I did help sold more than a couple dozen Darblets by recommending Darblet to my clients (although they choose their own dealer and buy them direct).
post #6551 of 7870
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

On a completely separate note, I just ordered my 6th Darblet. This time as a gift for my brother. Maybe after my 10th Darblet I get a free one biggrin.gif

I can't remember where it was, but I saw there was a deal like "buy 4 get the 5th free" on the Darblet. Given that there are only a few places selling these that shouldn't be too hard to find. Of course could be to late.
post #6552 of 7870
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

On a completely separate note, I just ordered my 6th Darblet. This time as a gift for my brother. Maybe after my 10th Darblet I get a free one biggrin.gif

Nice David. That is a fantastic gift. Your brother and Paul Darbee both need to take good care of you at Christmas this year.

BTW, anybody that hasn't already checked on the links to David's theater and BRD collection ought to take a look. It's impressive stuff. Especially liked the tributes to those that inspired and helped you along the way. Nice touch.

And since you still have over 100 times more BluRays than Darblets, you probably don't need to enter Darblet rehab quite yet.

BuRay rehab, on the other hand, suddenly seems very much in play. biggrin.gif

Like I should talk ...
post #6553 of 7870
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

Oh... yeah... that. I though you were talking about people who had actually seen it. Thanks. I don't pay attention to those who haven't even tried it.

The naysayers of Darbee are in the same-club of naysayers of 4K displays. Never seen them but actively badmouthing the technologies.
post #6554 of 7870
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Originally Posted by mogrub View Post

BTW, anybody that hasn't already checked on the links to David's theater and BRD collection ought to take a look ...

Wow! That's a serious collection of Blu-rays, David. I noticed you have "A Perfect Getaway". Coincidentally, I watched it for the first time last night. I just happened to stumble across it on cable right as it was starting. I have to say, it was a pretty darn good film. It seems like it's one of those gems that slipped through the cracks. You never hear people talking about it. smile.gif
post #6555 of 7870
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

On a completely separate note, I just ordered my 6th Darblet. This time as a gift for my brother. Maybe after my 10th Darblet I get a free one biggrin.gif

You'd think you'd have a serious return customer discount by now that's for sure wink.gif

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Originally Posted by LastButNotLeast View Post

I'm sure they'd be happy to have a distributor in Canada.
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They do have an official Canadian distributor for their two products
post #6556 of 7870
The other day, my Darbee's demo mode stopped working. What a Bummer. Then I thought re boot.

By Golly that worked and everything is super again.smile.gif
post #6557 of 7870
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

The naysayers of Darbee are in the same-club of naysayers of 4K displays. Never seen them but actively badmouthing the technologies.

Remember back when 1080p was new and people were arguing about 1080p versus 720p and how the difference was so minimal and irrelevant? Back in the early days of the HD-DVD Blu-ray format war, I'd even heard people say that the difference between high definition and DVD was hardly noticeable. One of these people was a Blockbuster manager, and we all know what happened to them.
post #6558 of 7870
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Originally Posted by Kilgore View Post

...Back in the early days of the HD-DVD Blu-ray format war, I'd even heard people say that the difference between high definition and DVD was hardly noticeable.
Well it does depend on the angle of view.
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Originally Posted by Kilgore View Post

One of these people was a Blockbuster manager, and we all know what happened to them.

Har!!
post #6559 of 7870
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

The naysayers of Darbee are in the same-club of naysayers of 4K displays. Never seen them but actively badmouthing the technologies.

Yeah, you're absolutely right about that!
In fact, the biggest benefit with 4K UHDTVs right now is their ability to display up-scaled 1080p signals - which EVERYONE who's ACTUALLY SEEN it done agrees that the results are very worthwhile.
So until we get actual 4K content, up-scaling quality will be the deciding factor.
Someone else posted that which component does a better job of that (the Oppo, or the display, or in my case the surround processor) will determine which unit's up-scaling is used, no?

I expect that Darbee will come out with a '4K capable Darblet within a year or so(?).
post #6560 of 7870
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

The naysayers of Darbee are in the same-club of naysayers of 4K displays. Never seen them but actively badmouthing the technologies.
And the naysayers of DVD, of surround sound, of HD, of lossless, of.......wink.gif
post #6561 of 7870
Not much, but there is a $20 coupon code at solid signal for the darbee cobalt, DARBLET20 brings it down to $250. It expires 8/1
post #6562 of 7870
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

And the naysayers of DVD, of surround sound, of HD, of lossless, of.......wink.gif

It's a club with lots of members, I assume biggrin.gif
post #6563 of 7870
Hooked mine up today and played with it a little.
It impresses, but I'm not sure I am ready to consider it as the best detail I have seen just yet.

Will compare it to the "detail enhancers" in my displays, AVRs, and Oppos.
I have used these in various combinations to bring out more detail without creating artifacts.
Of course, this was considered sacrilegious among videophiles, who until this unit came out, would scream like little girls at the mere suggestion.rolleyes.gif

Will report back in a few days....
post #6564 of 7870
from what i read here,i see that most people put it on 30,40,50,60%.
why in the bleep so low?
i have mine now for over a week and i get the best results on 100%,for high and low quality sources.
i am watching on a 141 inch white painted wall with my Benq w1080st dlp beamer.
post #6565 of 7870
I have set mine at 55% and leave it. Sure on some very clean sources 70% or so looks very good, but on a noisey source anything above 55% looks terrible, so I leave it at 55% and don't mess with it. Now IF I was having folks over for a movie night and was showing something super clean (like Avatar) I would kick it up. I find about 70-75%, even on a clean source looks too artificial and kind of reminds me of someone with the sharpness cranked up to the max.
post #6566 of 7870
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Originally Posted by baux View Post

from what i read here,i see that most people put it on 30,40,50,60%.
why in the bleep so low?
i have mine now for over a week and i get the best results on 100%,for high and low quality sources.
i am watching on a 141 inch white painted wall with my Benq w1080st dlp beamer.

It truly depends on your viewing distance, the resolution of the screen, sharpness of the projector lens etc.

Using painted wall and BenQ, my clients usually end up using the 80% after a couple of weeks to a month of usage.

On my fixed screen and Panasonic I started with around 70% but after a couple of months it goes down to 40% for bad source and 55% for most sources.
post #6567 of 7870
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Originally Posted by baux View Post

from what i read here,i see that most people put it on 30,40,50,60%.
why in the bleep so low?
i have mine now for over a week and i get the best results on 100%,for high and low quality sources.
i am watching on a 141 inch white painted wall with my Benq w1080st dlp beamer.

I run mine anywhere from 50 to 100 depending on the source material. Typically 75 to 85 percent. I'm watching on a 70 inch LED LCD Sony and mostly Netflix or PS3 video games with the occasional BD.
post #6568 of 7870
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Originally Posted by BroncoSport View Post

I have set mine at 55% and leave it. Sure on some very clean sources 70% or so looks very good, but on a noisey source anything above 55% looks terrible, so I leave it at 55% and don't mess with it. Now IF I was having folks over for a movie night and was showing something super clean (like Avatar) I would kick it up. I find about 70-75%, even on a clean source looks too artificial and kind of reminds me of someone with the sharpness cranked up to the max.

This is what I do also 55% HD. I'm using it on a 55" plasma so it may differ from a 100" projector I guess.
post #6569 of 7870
Hello everyone.

I have the Darbee and I love it when it works. Sadly, it doesn't appear to work with my receiver.

This works beautifully: Sony BDP-S590 > Darbee > Sharp XV-Z30000 Projector
This works beautifully too: Xbox 360 > Darbee > Sharp XV-Z30000 Projector
And this works great: AppleTV > Darbee > Sharp XV-Z30000 Projector
So does this: Comcast X1 > Darbee > Sharp XV-Z30000 Projector

Sadly, this doesn't work at all: ANY DEVICE ABOVE VIA HDMI > Pioneer VSX-822 Receiver > Darbee > Sharp XV-Z30000 Projector

I have used combinations of HDMI cables ranging from 50ft to 3ft. I have tried using all long cables, all short cables, and mixed varieties. I have also power cycled the Darbee at various times, and nothing works.

Can anybody help me here? If forced to, I'll just keep it connected to the blu ray player and forget about the other devices, but it would be nice to see the Darbee effect on everything.

Thanks for any information you might have that could help.
post #6570 of 7870

Just to be sure are you up to date on your firmware for the Pioneer? I'm not saying it would fix the problem but it might. It looks like the last firmware was released in Dec 2012. What are the symptoms when you say it does not work? 

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