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post #6871 of 7870
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Originally Posted by migraine24-7 View Post

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But I again am not looking for a argument so I'll drop it. Have a good day. And I'm being sincere not sarcastic. I say this because tone is hard to discern in written form and people have taken this wrong in the past.

No argument from me. I'm a big fan! Best $260 I ever spent on my HT. The only thing that made more of an improvement was my CalMAN/C6/Mini3D combo, but that cost considerably more.
post #6872 of 7870
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Originally Posted by sbr100 View Post

Hello...I have a 60 inch Sony KDS 60A3000 RPTV 1080x24 ...Its getting a little long in the tooth but still looks good....Viewing angle is straight on (sitting directly in front of the TV).....I messed with it for about an hour last night...Again I did see a difference but based on reviews and even the darblet website was expecting more "pop"

Here's my 1cent. When it comes to ANY av gear go with what YOU like. If you dont like the performance then send it back. Doesn't matter if its a tv, speakers or Darbee. People don't always like the same stuff. It's really no big deal. I remind people all the time that 1) we are all entitled to our opinion and should be respected for it and 2) the stuff we talk about in AVS forums are luxury items, so no need to take it so seriously if you disagree with someone.

Sorry it didn't work for you. Put your hard earned $$$ toward something else that does work for you. If your tv is "long in the tooth" you might want to start research and testing tvs. Good luck and have a great day. biggrin.gif
post #6873 of 7870
right on...I will mess with it some more tonight...perhaps I just need to give it some time...i think i have 7 days to return so I will mess with it over the next few days and see if it grows on me.....I still do think $300 plus is asking just a bit much.....ok a whole lot much
post #6874 of 7870
Considering getting a Darblet.

Interested to hear from owners, current or former, who have a Mitsubishi DLP RPTV.

No Laservues please, their look is different than lamp driven units.

Thanks much.
post #6875 of 7870
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

I have a Tivo Premiere and Oppo 103 feeding into separate Darbee's that then feed a Lumagen Radiance which outputs to a 70X5. Previously had only one Darbee with same sources but located after Radiance then to 70X5. Never had a problem like you describe. Don't think the 70X5 is the problem. Try STB direct to Darbee and see if AVR is problem. Also make sure all HDMI cables are 6 ft. or longer. Good Luck.

Thanks dsinger for your reply.
Why would having all hdmi cables have a minim length of 6ft be required?
One would think that shorter is usually prefered.
Looking forward to your reply.
cheers,
bekindrewind
post #6876 of 7870
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Originally Posted by bekindrewind View Post

Thanks dsinger for your reply.
Why would having all hdmi cables have a minim length of 6ft be required?
One would think that shorter is usually prefered.
Looking forward to your reply.
cheers,
bekindrewind

Some HDMI transceivers have trouble with signal reflections on cables shorter than 6'. It seems to be a good length. You can try shorter and it may well work.
post #6877 of 7870
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Originally Posted by sbr100 View Post

right on...I will mess with it some more tonight...perhaps I just need to give it some time...i think i have 7 days to return so I will mess with it over the next few days and see if it grows on me.....I still do think $300 plus is asking just a bit much.....ok a whole lot much
Just keep in mind the the Darblet will not have a tremendous WOW factor...it is subtle in what it does....but does it well enough so that most users see an upgraded picture,while the Darblet does it ever so slightly...
post #6878 of 7870
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Originally Posted by sbr100 View Post

right on...I will mess with it some more tonight...perhaps I just need to give it some time...i think i have 7 days to return so I will mess with it over the next few days and see if it grows on me.....I still do think $300 plus is asking just a bit much.....ok a whole lot much

Then I assume that you won't be buying the Salt Labs Ocule http://saltlabs.net/ocule.aspx with its case milled from a single block of aluminum for $349.95 either? http://sewelldirect.com/Ocule-by-Salt-Labs.asp
post #6879 of 7870
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Originally Posted by Repdetect View Post

Considering getting a Darblet.

Interested to hear from owners, current or former, who have a Mitsubishi DLP RPTV.

No Laservues please, their look is different than lamp driven units.

Thanks much.

I own a 82" DLP from Mits, and I have noticed an Incredible "crispness" to the image. Very happy. biggrin.gif
post #6880 of 7870
Just thinking...in reference to my earlier post re the Darblet and the WD TV Live, might this be a handshake issue and should I try something like the Monoprice HDMI extender that was suggested for another issue? I have also tried switching HDMI cables but no luck.
My Opp 95 and Xbox work fine, it's just the WD LTV Live that has this "black flash" issue.
I really don't want to have to sell the Darblet but I need a media player more....
post #6881 of 7870
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Originally Posted by erkq View Post

Some HDMI transceivers have trouble with signal reflections on cables shorter than 6'. It seems to be a good length. You can try shorter and it may well work.

Thats a better technical answer that I could have provided. Thanks
post #6882 of 7870
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Originally Posted by sbr100 View Post

right on...I will mess with it some more tonight...perhaps I just need to give it some time...i think i have 7 days to return so I will mess with it over the next few days and see if it grows on me.....I still do think $300 plus is asking just a bit much.....ok a whole lot much

When I first installed the Darblet, it took a couple weeks of settling in with it before I was fully sold. I had a hard time overcoming my inherent skepticism of any processing device of this nature.

Yes, the improvement is subtle, intentionally so. You want to avoid a drastic difference in picture quality. The movie you watch should still look like that movie is supposed to look, not like something different entirely. The effect of the Darblet is like better focusing the image on your screen. Toggling back and forth when you first play around with it may not seem like a huge difference, but once you get used to it, removing the Darblet will make you feel like the image has fallen out of focus.

If you roughly estimate that the Darblet makes the picture 10% better, consider how much you'd have to pay to upgrade to a new display to get that same amount of improvement. Most of us in the home theater hobby have spent far more than $300 for far less results. Installing the Darbet is like upgrading to the next model up for your display... for just $300. I'd call that a tremendous value, personally.
Edited by Josh Z - 9/19/13 at 11:10am
post #6883 of 7870
^ +! on all points made.
post #6884 of 7870
Here's a post I just did on another thread (Sony R550A TV) where we're currently discussing the Darbee>>>>>>






Obviously you know that screen shots suck, at best. But here are two. One is of Tropic Thunder at a regular viewing distance and the other is very up close to the tv of a small pile of dirt. I'm using the split screen feature of the Darbee. And before you ask, I've unplugged the HDMI and bypassed the Darbee when I first got it to make sure it wasn't somehow giving a bad picture for comparison.

The Darblet increases detail (sharpness and contrast) without introducing bad artifacts, unless you turn it up way too high. I don't know what daisy chaining will do either, but after being proven wrong about 3D, I'm hesitant to dismiss any video improvement claim these days, specially one that has such rave reviews as the Darbee, until I see it for myself.

Again, everyone will have their own value set. I put a Darbee on my 70 and my 144. I will turn it off and back on again during a program just to continue to be wowed. I put it right up there with the difference between 480 and 720. Not kidding. YMMV.
post #6885 of 7870
^ That's a great visual reference for anyone that wants to see what the Darbee does.

IMO, those pictures don't overstate or understate the Darbee effect. They simply show what I see in my HT.
post #6886 of 7870
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Originally Posted by JRWalker View Post



Then I assume that you won't be buying the Salt Labs Ocule http://saltlabs.net/ocule.aspx with its case milled from a single block of aluminum for $349.95 either? http://sewelldirect.com/Ocule-by-Salt-Labs.asp

So that is basically a Darblet DVP 5000 in a different case?
post #6887 of 7870
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Originally Posted by mp06011999 View Post

Here's a post I just did on another thread (Sony R550A TV) where we're currently discussing the Darbee>>>>>>

 

They look suspiciously like images with contrast turned up too high.  At least, from here.  Plus, I can't verify what happens to the edges as the image moves-----that's *EVERYTHING* on a TV.

 

Hmmmm.....Let me modify that original image.  The left half of the left half is *my* contrast turning it up using a standard contrast algorithm:

 

 

It's just a sharpening after that I'm guessing.

post #6888 of 7870
^ Yea, what it does that can't seem to be done with typical TV settings is turn up the sharpness and contrast without the bad artifacts. I, and many others, have tried.

As you know, nobody but you (and the maker/seller) really cares if you buy it or not. And I completely understand your skepticism. I do. And if I recall, you have the 60 inch Sony. I know others have it on a 60 and under. I don't think I would. Then again, I bought the first one for the 144 inch projector and immediately knew I wanted it on the 70 inch Sony so I got another one.

You're just gonna have to see it to believe it. Exactly how I accepted 3D.

Also, I wouldn't use my pics for anything more than reference. I took those with my Blackberry. lol
post #6889 of 7870
For me, the effect of the Darblet is most pronounced (and not in a bad way) with fabrics and manicured grass. A tweed jacket looks marvelous as do wool sweaters and complex furniture coverings, etc. It really gives texture
post #6890 of 7870
^ Absolutely! I like it on grass, rocks, dirt, faces, heavily textured anything. Man the way hair, stubble, and pores come alive is nothing short of amazing as well. I like to crank it up now and again and make the actors look wrinkly. I don't watch Survivor, but those outdoor well lit scenes...WOW!

Also, I was playing the latest Uncharted and in the first few minutes of the story in one of the cut scenes I could not tell that it was raining until I added the Darbee. Sold Baby!
post #6891 of 7870
Not that $300 is chump change to me, but spending $300 to get this much improvement IS chump change in the HT hobby.
post #6892 of 7870
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Not that $300 is chump change to me, but spending $300 to get this much improvement IS chump change in the HT hobby.

+1
post #6893 of 7870
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Originally Posted by JRWalker View Post

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Originally Posted by sbr100 View Post

right on...I will mess with it some more tonight...perhaps I just need to give it some time...i think i have 7 days to return so I will mess with it over the next few days and see if it grows on me.....I still do think $300 plus is asking just a bit much.....ok a whole lot much

Then I assume that you won't be buying the Salt Labs Ocule http://saltlabs.net/ocule.aspx with its case milled from a single block of aluminum for $349.95 either? http://sewelldirect.com/Ocule-by-Salt-Labs.asp

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Originally Posted by Socio View Post


So that is basically a Darblet DVP 5000 in a different case?

Have not seen any reviews for the Ocule or comparisons to the Darblet.

From my reading of the Ocule marketing literature that seems to be the only difference that I find.

A metal case is an improvement, however. Replacing the Darblet's plastic case would eliminate the RF interference from the Darblet. My son has his equipment in a cabinet and uses an RF remote to control it. When my Darblet was near the RF receiver for his remote and the Darblet was powered on, the receiver's RF indicator showed full bright and his remote stopped working. Increasing the space between the two devices eliminated the RF interference and the remote worked again.

When using a plastic case on a product that contains a computer, like the Darblet, the inside of the case is usually sprayed with a paint containing silver particles to eliminate RF interference from the computer. Having a transparent case is probably considered a selling point for the Darblet and allows the LEDs on the circuit board to be visible through the case.
Edited by JRWalker - 9/19/13 at 3:19pm
post #6894 of 7870
Are there any markings on the case that show they went through FCC testing? It would have to be tested in the type of case that they actually shipped it in.
post #6895 of 7870
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Are there any markings on the case that show they went through FCC testing? It would have to be tested in the type of case that they actually shipped it in.

Picture of label on back below. Only other markings identify connections and buttons.

post #6896 of 7870
Thanks. I'm not quite sure what the rules are, but normally that sort of device is supposed to be tested for RF emissions.
post #6897 of 7870
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Originally Posted by David Susilo View Post

Not that $300 is chump change to me, but spending $300 to get this much improvement IS chump change in the HT hobby.
Wish I'd said that. 👍
post #6898 of 7870
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

That happens already when I have the Sony sharpening adjustment up too high.  Annoying to see every actor with terrible skin.  LOL....

Yup... too much of any processing is "too much" processing, including the Darblet.
post #6899 of 7870
Hmmmm some you dont understand guys, if you add sharpness a lot from ur display and you overpass the capability of ur display , that add white in picture not suppose to be there. So the darbee add sharpness without this bad effect in the picture. You cant add sharpness from ur tv like that and think you right, thats wrong and ur display have a set point for sharpening, so if you want a lil more then this u need the darbee, and its for that i bought the darbee and iam happy with this product.
post #6900 of 7870
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Originally Posted by changboy View Post

Hmmmm some you dont understand guys, if you add sharpness a lot from ur display and you overpass the capability of ur display , that add white in picture not suppose to be there. So the darbee add sharpness without this bad effect in the picture. You cant add sharpness from ur tv like that and think you right, thats wrong and ur display have a set point for sharpening, so if you want a lil more then this u need the darbee, and its for that i bought the darbee and iam happy with this product.

I think we understand... at least I understand. The Darbee's effect is not reproducible with other processing technology. It is unique. I think tgm's point was that too much of anything is annoying... including the Darbee.
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