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post #6901 of 7870
For what it's worth, the photos mp06011999 posted look too harsh to me, like he's using it at a setting much higher than I would. The before/after difference on my screen (at Hi-Def 45%) is much more subtle than that.
post #6902 of 7870
Its for that the darbee use a setting from 0 to 120%, like this evryones can set the picture like they want see it, so if u feel ur tv enough sharp for you dont buy it and if you feel you need lil more sharpness effect, buy it. Some buy a car do 0-100 kmh in 8 second and thats ok for them and other need to buy one do 0-100 kmh in 6 second and others dont mind about that, finally its a product give some effect and if u want it you buy it, if you dont need it you dont buy it, thats verry simple .smile.gif
post #6903 of 7870
You don't have to go through AVS to get our support.
If your unit is not working properly and we will be glad to bring it in for diagnosing and replacement if needed.
Please fill out this online form and send an email to tom@darbeevision.com to start the collection process.
http://darbeevision.com/technical-support
We'll have you seeing popped pixels very soon.

-DD
Edited by DarbeeDr - 9/20/13 at 12:37pm
post #6904 of 7870
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

Did you see the image I posted?  That wasn't done with some complicated 11x11 convolution in photoshop.  It was done with a garden variety "contrast".  Not from a TV: I'd have to have some kind of screen capture post-darby to manage that one, and then display it on my TV, snap a photo before and after I @#$% with the settings, and then past it together.

BTW: *IS* there a bit for bit post-processing image available for download?  I don't mean a theoretical bunch of hooey, but resulting output that's truly 1:1 with source image and side by side?

you can find some post of pic there; http://www.avsforum.com/t/1474480/official-zt60-owners-thread/2970


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post #6905 of 7870
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

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BTW: *IS* there a bit for bit post-processing image available for download?  I don't mean a theoretical bunch of hooey, but resulting output that's truly 1:1 with source image and side by side?

With this attitude, why would you even consider buying it? Are you just trying to challenge those of us who like it? I, for one, am not interested in rising to that challenge. I watch movies in my theater and am very pleased with the Darblet. What you do doesn't matter to me.
post #6906 of 7870
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Originally Posted by tgm1024 View Post

Did you see the image I posted?  That wasn't done with some complicated 11x11 convolution in photoshop.  It was done with a garden variety "contrast".  Not from a TV: I'd have to have some kind of screen capture post-darby to manage that one, and then display it on my TV, snap a photo before and after I @#$% with the settings, and then past it together.

BTW: *IS* there a bit for bit post-processing image available for download?  I don't mean a theoretical bunch of hooey, but resulting output that's truly 1:1 with source image and side by side?

No offense, but this thread is over 230 pages long, and all the "I can do the same thing by cranking up my Sharpness and Contrast" arguments were debunked (very heatedly) about 4,000 posts ago.

The effect of the Darblet cannot be replicated just by fiddling with the controls in your TV. Those controls apply blanket changes to the entire image. The Darblet makes targeted adjustments to the luminance only in specific parts of each frame, and the algorithm analyzes the image and changes frame by frame. The end result (when applied at moderate settings, generally at or less than 50%) looks nothing like a simple contrast or electronic sharpness boost. It looks like the image has popped into slightly better focus without altering any of the inherent qualities of that image, and it does this without any discernable artifacts on screen.

Your skepticism is noted. Many of us here have approached the Darblet with skepticism, myself included. Nevertheless, the device has garnered almost unanimously positive feedback from those who've used it, which should clue you in that maybe it's something worth giving a fair shake before you write it off without ever actually seeing it for yourself.

For only a $300 investment (and with a fair return policy should you not like it), that's honestly not much of a risk.

Or you can decide that something like this is not for you, and you have no intention of using it.
Edited by Josh Z - 9/21/13 at 10:41am
post #6907 of 7870
It was the multitude of positive reviews that got me to try the Darbee. I mean, it did seem like they were selling snake oil, but how could there be so many positive reviews then, I thought. So I decided to give it a try. And glad I did. A picture, or seeing it for yourself, truly is worth a thousand words wink.gif
post #6908 of 7870
I hooked up a Darblet 5000 last night to my home theater. I have a Denon X4000 receiver and an Epson 5020UB projector. I used a 6.6 blurigger HDMI cable going out of the receiver into the Darblet. Then a 25 ft. blurigger HDMI cable going out of the Darblet to the projector. I messed around with all the settings last night. I watched OTA antenna TV. I put a Netflix film on. And tried the bluray "Olympus Has Fallen." My projector is 12' from a 106" screen. I've always had a phenomenal picture. This thing hardly does any justice at all. I'm seeing some sharpening but it is very minimal. I am not impressed with this product at all....
post #6909 of 7870
Jnst a note, though. Olympus Has Fallen have one of the worst BD artefacts compared to many new releases of late. i find the Darbee is actually making the picture worse by using this movie as a source material. Try a different material on Blu-ray such as Now You See Me, colour me amazed with what the Darblet can do with a pristine material.
post #6910 of 7870
Is it because it is not the last link in the chain? It would be very difficult to have it near the projector and it having it as the last link the way my system is set up. I do see sharpening but it's not "breathtaking" like it seems many others say. Tonight we are going to watch "War Horse." I'll try it on that. As well as a few more times with other sources. But if it still doesn't do much for me I'm shipping it back to Amazon....
post #6911 of 7870
Try using it for a week with it set to ON. Then try watching with it OFF (after watching various things in ON position for a week), you'd be surprised with what you're missing. smile.gif
post #6912 of 7870
After 232 pages (almost 7,000 posts), what can we add to the Darbee reviews?
I feel something that needs to be emphasized is that when I had problems getting the device to work consistently, the actual company CS was very responsive and helpful. I emailed them and they immediately responded with solutions. To me, this is a significant point. smile.gif
From all the feedback, it should be obvious by now that the processing effect is not for everyone. INMO, it's most dramatic on front projector applications with large (100"+) screens. Also, the "bang for the buck" factor is accentuated when you have thousands of dollars in a big screen HT. What's another $300? If you are watching on a 32" LCD TV, then the Darbee is half the cost of the display...
Not much has been said about HD video. Try watching live HD sports with it on. The Masters Golf was beautiful with the vibrant spring foliage.
For people balking at the $300 price, Solid Signal has them on sale or used for significantly less. Just email them. They are also good at CS (ask for "Moose").
+1 on David's suggestion to watch for a week with it on. Try as much varied content and as many settings as possible. Then remove it from the chain ans "see" what you think. (a little AVS humor).wink.gif
My $.02.
Edited by humbland - 9/21/13 at 6:49am
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post #6914 of 7870
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Originally Posted by Seawater View Post

But if it still doesn't do much for me I'm shipping it back to Amazon....

From Amazon's returns department I am sure that it will find a good home. I have got some great deals on Amazon returns. I buy Intel SSDs and during manufacturing they write QC info on the back of the drive's aluminum case with a black marker. Before packaging they wipe the info with a solvent soaked rag that leaves smears on the case. Many people return these to Amazon thinking they have been used. I get a new Intel SSD in perfect condition for a great price. I love it!!!

P.S.
Something I should have mentioned about Intel SSD drives that make Amazon returns department no risk. I tested my oldest Intel SSD that I did not buy from Amazon before installing Windows 8. The diagnostics would not complete, it just hung without errors. Called Intel support and they sent me a new one in a retail box. From what I was told by the Intel support rep, Intel only provides new replacements SSDs and never sends repaired or recertified replacements. I have run the Intel full diagnostic program on every Intel SSD as soon as I receive it. Have never found a single error on any of the seven of my Intel SSDs (five from Amazon returns) and only that one drive that I had used for several years did not complete the tests.
Edited by JRWalker - 9/21/13 at 11:05pm
post #6915 of 7870
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Originally Posted by Seawater View Post

But if it still doesn't do much for me I'm shipping it back to Amazon....

From Amazon's returns department I am sure that it will find a good home. I have got some great deals on Amazon returns. I buy Intel SSDs and during manufacturing they write QC info on the back of the drive's aluminum case with a black marker. Before packaging they wipe the info with a solvent soaked rag that leaves smears on the case. Many people return these to Amazon thinking they have been used. I get a new Intel SSD in perfect condition for a great price. I love it!!!

That's the truth. Every used item I've bought from them has been literally like new, and I've saved a TON. It's not something I would've ever done before I found out about Amazon's returns.
post #6916 of 7870
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Originally Posted by Seawater View Post

I hooked up a Darblet 5000 last night to my home theater. I have a Denon X4000 receiver and an Epson 5020UB projector. I used a 6.6 blurigger HDMI cable going out of the receiver into the Darblet. Then a 25 ft. blurigger HDMI cable going out of the Darblet to the projector. I messed around with all the settings last night. I watched OTA antenna TV. I put a Netflix film on. And tried the bluray "Olympus Has Fallen." My projector is 12' from a 106" screen. I've always had a phenomenal picture. This thing hardly does any justice at all. I'm seeing some sharpening but it is very minimal. I am not impressed with this product at all....

I would give it a try with the IMAX scenes form the the Dark Knight or Dark Knight Rises to really appreciate the Darbee. Olympus has Fallen is a terrible movie with some bad graphics and bad color timing. Use a better source before you give up hope man!
post #6917 of 7870
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Originally Posted by Bukley View Post

I would give it a try with the IMAX scenes form the the Dark Knight or Dark Knight Rises to really appreciate the Darbee. Olympus has Fallen is a terrible movie with some bad graphics and bad color timing. Use a better source before you give up hope man!

I'm going to be honest, those scenes didn't enhance much with the Darblet like other content does. I mean it does, but I thought it would do more than most things do. I think I remember one shot where I was shocked I hardly even noticed a change.

* Avid Darbee Activist
post #6918 of 7870
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Originally Posted by muffinmcfluffin View Post

I'm going to be honest, those scenes didn't enhance much with the Darblet like other content does. I mean it does, but I thought it would do more than most things do. I think I remember one shot where I was shocked I hardly even noticed a change.

* Avid Darbee Activist

The chase scene from the Dark Knight is my demo scene for the Darbee, it's how I convinced my wife the cost of the Darbee was worth it. The reflections on the police van and the clarity and dimension of the city take a huge jump on my Panasonic plasma.
post #6919 of 7870
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DarbeeVision will also be putting the next generation of its popular Darblet video processor, the DVP 5100, through its paces at CEDIA.
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post #6920 of 7870
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Figured this would happen right after I bought a Darbee lol tongue.gif The Oppo player with Darbee built in is pretty awesome too!
post #6921 of 7870
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Figured this would happen right after I bought a Darbee lol tongue.gif The Oppo player with Darbee built in is pretty awesome too!

Oppo player w/ Darbee?
post #6922 of 7870
Does the Darbee improve black level/shadow detail?

I'm guessing it doesn't actually improve black level per say, but I have read that it improves shadow detail ... which could theoretically allow one to lower black level accordingly, thus creating "darker" blacks without black crush ...

Is that true? Anyone have any experience along these lines?
post #6923 of 7870
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Oppo player w/ Darbee?

Personally I wouldn't be interested. Why limit yourself to BD source? I want to run my HD-DVDs through it too as well as other things.
post #6924 of 7870
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Figured this would happen right after I bought a Darbee lol tongue.gif The Oppo player with Darbee built in is pretty awesome too!

Oppo player w/ Darbee?

http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/darbeevision-licenses-visual-presence-to-world-class-blu-ray-maker-1831029.htm
post #6925 of 7870
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Figured this would happen right after I bought a Darbee lol tongue.gif

Got our Darblet 5000 in mid April and we have been enjoying what it does to our Samsung PN60F8500 viewing experience.

Last week I said to my wife "Why don't we get a second Darblet for the kitchen HDTV?"

Her reply was "Why don't you wait for the 2014 model and put that on the F8500?"

Glad that I learned to listen to her. smile.gif
post #6926 of 7870
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Originally Posted by Tangled Cable View Post

Does the Darbee improve black level/shadow detail?

I'm guessing it doesn't actually improve black level per say, but I have read that it improves shadow detail ... which could theoretically allow one to lower black level accordingly, thus creating "darker" blacks without black crush ...

Is that true? Anyone have any experience along these lines?

It does not improve shadow detail per se. Like, anything in the shadows might be more detailed, but it doesn't bring out more from within there if that makes sense.
post #6927 of 7870
So it doesn't improve contrast at all? Just detail?
post #6928 of 7870
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Originally Posted by Tangled Cable View Post

So it doesn't improve contrast at all? Just detail?

IMO what the Darblet does and how it does it are just not important. If you install a Darblet it improves your 2D and 3D viewing experience on an HDTV.

If you have not already, visit the DarbeeVision dot com website and look at the four images on the home page. Then go to the Gallery and look at the Images and Videos there. There are also before and after Darblet images in reviews in Press Room | News and Reviews. All of the images above demonstrate the improved viewing experience we see on our Samsung PN60F8500 plasma.

The white paper http://darbeevision.com/assets/documents/DarbeeVision%20Whitepaper%20with%20Tech%20Details%2020120415.pdf and
Darbee Patent document 7,995,835 Method and apparatus for altering two-dimensional images using three-dimensional information http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&p=1&S1=darbeevision&OS=darbeevision&RS=darbeevision explain the image processing details.
Edited by JRWalker - 9/26/13 at 12:17pm
post #6929 of 7870

Is the current Darblet going to work with UHD sets?

post #6930 of 7870
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Is the current Darblet going to work with UHD sets?

As long as your source is 1080 or less. New model needed for actual 4k input processing.
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