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post #7591 of 7856
I have the Oppo 103 Darbee BlyRay. Real nice box, Darbee works fine. And you get inputs to plug in your DSS, Chromecast or whatever. Audio Decoding is excellent, You almost don't need a pre-pro in this setup. I'd opt for this before the standalone enhancer. It's only another 200 bucks or so and you get a bunch of features
post #7592 of 7856
Tested darbee settings for the black crush that many state here is caused using darbee settings Game and Full POP.I fully agree that Full POP crushes blacks but saw no sign of it in Game setting which i feel adds more depth than HD setting.Wonder if it has something to do with my Samsung 8500 LED being professionally calibrated by D-Nice.My sweet spot is Game at 53.
post #7593 of 7856
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Originally Posted by milacqua View Post

I have several smaller tvs and the Darbee does help - some. However, not enough to justify its cost. If you have a projector shooting on a large screen (mine is an Epson 1080P shooting on a 106" Carada screen), then yes, you will notice a difference that justifies a $300 expenditure. I would not buy a Darbee for a tv.

A little late to the party? its like you were invited to a 40 year birthday and showed up for the 41st. smile.gif
post #7594 of 7856
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Originally Posted by mattg3 View Post

Tested darbee settings for the black crush that many state here is caused using darbee settings Game and Full POP.I fully agree that Full POP crushes blacks but saw no sign of it in Game setting which i feel adds more depth than HD setting.Wonder if it has something to do with my Samsung 8500 LED being professionally calibrated by D-Nice.My sweet spot is Game at 53.

It will depend on the content you're watching. In my experience, Game crushes shadow detail a little bit, and Full Pop crushes it a lot. Hi-Def does not crush shadow detail at all.
post #7595 of 7856
tried Darby and I am returning. I get the 3D nature people love but it comes at the expense of an artificial look. Faces seem blotchy. I use a Samsung SP-A900 on a 8' screen. Tried settings (HD mode) all the way to 40. At 40 barely an effect but no artifacts. At 45 I could see the artifacts.
post #7596 of 7856
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Originally Posted by alv View Post

tried Darby and I am returning. I get the 3D nature people love but it comes at the expense of an artificial look. Faces seem blotchy. I use a Samsung SP-A900 on a 8' screen. Tried settings (HD mode) all the way to 40. At 40 barely an effect but no artifacts. At 45 I could see the artifacts.

If the faces look blotchy then something is wrong. I have two Darblets and I have never seen that with them
post #7597 of 7856
Agreed. Blotchiness has nothing to do with Darbee.
post #7598 of 7856
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Originally Posted by alv View Post

tried Darby and I am returning. I get the 3D nature people love but it comes at the expense of an artificial look. Faces seem blotchy. I use a Samsung SP-A900 on a 8' screen. Tried settings (HD mode) all the way to 40. At 40 barely an effect but no artifacts. At 45 I could see the artifacts.

Never saw anything like this on my samsung 8500 LED and mine is set to Game 53
post #7599 of 7856
Just got mine today. I played around with HDTV, Amazon Instant Video, and Blu Ray (Alien). I found that Hi-Res somewhere between 40% and 50% seems best. Much higher than 50% everything starts to look a bit odd (cartoony or artificial -- and faces look off). When mine powered up it was set to 100% -- and it looked pretty bad. I am running it as follows -- Sources (PS3, DirecTV, etc) --> DVDO Edge (with no image enhancements enabled -- other than a bit of contrast or brightness adjustment) --- > Darbee ---> Panny 65ST50. When I move to my new house with its dedicated HT room -- I will be using a Sony 55ES.

Couple of questions.

1. As I said -- right now I am running Hi-Res (with fine control on) and I have landed about 47%. Any other modes, combos, suggested by more seasoned users?
2. What does game mode do? On most systems it turns everything off to allow for less lag. I do game on my system (X360, PS3 and PS4) -- so is this the setting to use for gaming? Can I just turn off the Darbee if I am gaming?
post #7600 of 7856
by blotchy I meant ache shows up very strong, bad makeup is emphasized etc. You probably need a large screen to see some of them. My setup is near perfect. Joe Kane screen, projector and calibrated by the best. I really wanted to like it and my wife was very surprised that I am sending it back. She saw the same things. It is the Darbee.
post #7601 of 7856
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Originally Posted by alv View Post

by blotchy I meant ache shows up very strong, bad makeup is emphasized etc. You probably need a large screen to see some of them. My setup is near perfect. Joe Kane screen, projector and calibrated by the best. I really wanted to like it and my wife was very surprised that I am sending it back. She saw the same things. It is the Darbee.

 

You seemed to be on the right track when you said in your previous post that you had adjusted the Darblet processing to 40 and stopped.  So at a setting of 40, you saw no beneficial enhancement of picture details?  And to be clear, Darblet processing can be somewhat unflattering because enhanced details allow you to see skin wrinkles, aging, and other imperfections in the human face.  But these are not necessarily "artifacts", i.e. displaying something that isn't there.  When HD displays first came out, a common comment was that we could now see all the details, warts and all.  Darbee processing is further enhancing the clarity of the image.  I have a 4K display.  If you don't like to see unpleasant, yet realistic, details in the picture, don't upgrade to 4K!

post #7602 of 7856
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Originally Posted by Skrill View Post

Just got mine today. I played around with HDTV, Amazon Instant Video, and Blu Ray (Alien). I found that Hi-Res somewhere between 40% and 50% seems best. Much higher than 50% everything starts to look a bit odd (cartoony or artificial -- and faces look off). When mine powered up it was set to 100% -- and it looked pretty bad. I am running it as follows -- Sources (PS3, DirecTV, etc) --> DVDO Edge (with no image enhancements enabled -- other than a bit of contrast or brightness adjustment) --- > Darbee ---> Panny 65ST50. When I move to my new house with its dedicated HT room -- I will be using a Sony 55ES.

Couple of questions.

1. As I said -- right now I am running Hi-Res (with fine control on) and I have landed about 47%. Any other modes, combos, suggested by more seasoned users?
2. What does game mode do? On most systems it turns everything off to allow for less lag. I do game on my system (X360, PS3 and PS4) -- so is this the setting to use for gaming? Can I just turn off the Darbee if I am gaming?

With a projector the darbee is really good enhancement. The sweet spot (for most people) is green35-50 (high def) depending on content.

Even better, get the oppo 103d, it has a darbee in it.
post #7603 of 7856
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Originally Posted by alv View Post

by blotchy I meant ache shows up very strong, bad makeup is emphasized etc. You probably need a large screen to see some of them. My setup is near perfect. Joe Kane screen, projector and calibrated by the best. I really wanted to like it and my wife was very surprised that I am sending it back. She saw the same things. It is the Darbee.

Indeed. As with screenshots I posted earlier in this thread they show pushing the Darbee too far yields unnatural results.

post #7604 of 7856
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

Indeed. As with screenshots I posted earlier in this thread they show pushing the Darbee too far yields unnatural results.


Well of course, that is the extreme. If you crank it up to 120% it's going to look like crap. But at 40% or 45% that is not the case.
post #7605 of 7856
I could see that effect in the low 40's. Maybe not as extreme. That outweighed other benefits.
post #7606 of 7856
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Well of course, that is the extreme. If you crank it up to 120% it's going to look like crap. But at 40% or 45% that is not the case.

Yes, of course. They were only intended to show the blotchiness that can occur when the setting is too high. For HD 50% see my older post in the projector forum.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1428735/the-official-panasonic-pt-ar100u-owners-thread#post_22457634

Personally mine is set to HD 40% which is plenty.
post #7607 of 7856
I agree that HD 120% setting is too much. Public opinion, the Setting range of 40% - 70% is be chosen. Buyer shall also not expect extreme video improvement (contrast enhancement). The bigger the screen size the easier to notice the picture quality improvement. In my opinion, it is a waste for TV less than 60 inches diagonal.
post #7608 of 7856
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Originally Posted by kwok lau View Post

I agree that HD 120% setting is too much. Public opinion, the Setting range of 40% - 70% is be chosen. Buyer shall also not expect extreme video improvement (contrast enhancement). The bigger the screen size the easier to notice the picture quality improvement. In my opinion, it is a waste for TV less than 60 inches diagonal.

The difference is still easily noticebale with my second Darblet on a 47" Tv. Its just as easy for me to see the difference as it is on my 82" TV. I sit nine feet from my 82" set and I sit six feet from my 47" set. One day I'll need to try it on my tertiary TV which is a 67" set. But I view that from 15 feet away so I would expect the difference to Be less noticeable.
post #7609 of 7856
I think I've finally settled in on 55% game mode after messing around with it a lot last night.
post #7610 of 7856
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Originally Posted by CheYC View Post

I think I've finally settled in on 55% game mode after messing around with it a lot last night.

Ive been watching for over a year with 53 Game and love it.Every time i read about the black crush i drop back to HD(green) 53 but it just doesnt make it for me.i see zero black crush at 53 game but as i said before I feel it has something to do with my set being professionally calibrated years ago by D-Nice
post #7611 of 7856
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

The difference is still easily noticebale with my second Darblet on a 47" Tv. Its just as easy for me to see the difference as it is on my 82" TV. I sit nine feet from my 82" set and I sit six feet from my 47" set. One day I'll need to try it on my tertiary TV which is a 67" set. But I view that from 15 feet away so I would expect the difference to Be less noticeable.

Arronwt, good to know you see the improvement on your 47"TV set from 6 feet away. Yeah, viewing distance from TV set is another issue to consider when using the Darbee on TV set. I agree.
post #7612 of 7856
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Originally Posted by SamF View Post

Anyone in Canada looking to pick up a Darblet, they're available on costco.ca for CAD $299, shipping included. With Costco's return policy (amazing) you can't really go wrong if you want to test drive one of these little guys.

Yes, just pulled the trigger as well after finding out that Costco.ca carried the Darblet. Hoping to see some appreciable benefits on my Panny 720p pj (won't upgrade until 'affordable' 4K pj's are readily avail) and 140" CIH screen cool.gif ... and just might get a splitter to see how the Darblet works with my 10-yr old Hitachi 65" 720p CRT RPTV rolleyes.gif
Edited by ambientcafe - 1/30/14 at 3:44am
post #7613 of 7856
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Well of course, that is the extreme. If you crank it up to 120% it's going to look like crap. But at 40% or 45% that is not the case.

Exactly right. Nice example pics BTW that illustrate an over-darbeeize picture. Of course if you overdo any settings on your TV you will end up with issues.

I am running on a new 60" LG 1080P plasma (60PN6500) that I have tweaked to the nth degree over the last 5 weeks to get a really great picture that already is color saturated and pops nicely. I've used the picture wizard (how sweet is that blue screen mode?) and my critical eye to squeeze every last drop of quality out of it (for my room and liking). People say the blacks are poor on this TV, but in my basement setting after tweaking everything including gamma, saturation and expert color controls, I love it and know the black levels are near great. I can see how in bright room if I had to turn up the brightness the PQ would suffer, but that's not where or how I'm using the TV. back to the darbee . . .

Starting with a great picture, I then hooked up the Darbee and have found the same results as most others here- that is, it works! On my set up, 75% darbee on HD setting adds sharpness/depth to the details in the picture without taking anything away from an already optimised set up. I feed raw source output from oppo DVD player (at 540P) or Dish Network (1080i) both directly through (without scaling) into a DVR via HDMI cables, then into the plasma TV where it is upconverted to 1080P. Not that it's important, but all the power and cables have ferrit cores attached. I noticed it works best on high quality HD material via Dish (I did not test yet on BluRay) and DVDs, but not as much on standard definition TV programming. I assume what I'm seeing is that with material lacking a certain amount of detail, there is not enough information for the darbee to process effectively to add sharpness and depth resulting in a picture that is different, but no better or worse than the original. high compression may have something to do with it too.

So it works and I plan to keep it ! Bigger question is, however, is it worth it? Well I bought it and I'm keeping it, so if the price the market will bear for someone ni my income bracket is the measure for this, then yes. But at almost $300, this is a steep price for an add-on picture control (even one that does what no other can at this point in time). I notice (and like) the difference, but most people would think my plasma TV picture looks super with out it. Furthermore, I agree with those here that say that upscaling DVDs and Dish programming to a 4K TV picture would add more to PQ than 1080P + darbee. Of course, the cost for upgrading to 4K would be 10x the cost of a Darbee unit.

You will need to decide for yourself, but to me it's like when I paid 2x the price of a standard cassette player to get one with dolby noise reduction back in the 70's. Once they showed us there was a hiss present, we could hear it and as audio enthusiasts we needed Dolby on nearly everything bought after that. maybe Dolby will buy Darbee ?
Edited by Randomcreek - 2/1/14 at 7:37am
post #7614 of 7856
Randomcreek, you should try the blue ray disc for better PQ with the darbee.
post #7615 of 7856
I've just purchased a Samsung PN64F8500. Upgrading from a PN50A550. I'm thinking now is the time for a Darblet. Being from Canada, I've had reservations about the DVP5000, because the firmware cannot be updated by the end user, and I don't want the hassle of international shipping for a firmware update.

This seems to be a non-issue, however. There hadn't been a firmware update since August 2012, correct?

Also, I've been using my 50" plasma in a room that necessitates a 12' viewing distance (certainly not ideal) and I felt that this set up would impair any benefit that the Darblet would provide.

The new display changes things quite a bit, so now I'm thinking it might be time to give the Darblet a try.

The display will be fed a signal by a Denon AVR-X4000 (all sources connected to the AVR). Anyone using the Darblet with the Samsung PN64F8500 (or any other size of this model) and/or with the Denon AVR-X4000?

If so, can you please share your experience? Any compatibility issues?
post #7616 of 7856
Im in the market for a new receiver and for first time i will be running HDMI to receiver with oppo and Roku and then out to my Darbee and into my screen.Problem is I have to use a 12 ft HDMI cord to get from my receiver to my darbee and then a 6ft from darbee to screen.Could this cause me all those problems people have been stating with long HDMI runs?
post #7617 of 7856
^ Shouldn't be a problem as long as the cables themselves are working properly. Some people have problems if a cable is less than 6 ft.
post #7618 of 7856
Thanks,thats good news.Buy all my cables from monoprice
post #7619 of 7856
Just got mine...im liking it so far. I do prefer the Darblet vs the Oppo 103D. I had the 103, sold it, upgrading to the 103D, didn't like it especially in 3D, returned it to oppo and bought a 103 again to get my Marvel processor back. One weird thing and I already talked to Darbee but my Onkyo TX-NR3008 has no problem working with the Darblet as long as its between the oppo and the rx'er. As soon as i connect the darblet via the onkyo 's main hdmi out it will allow 2d no problem but not 3D?? Im get audio only . I was using a. 4' hdmi cable originally and per Darbee's suggestion i changed the cable out with a. 6' and still got the same result. Also each time i power down all
Sources each time to do a full test. As soon as i put the darby back in line with the oppo and onkyo it started working again . I really wanted all of my sources to benefit from this . 75 % seems to be my sweetspot . Im not buying a 2nd one for the same room
post #7620 of 7856
Forgot to mention equip. Specs
Panny PT-AE8000
Oppo BDP-103
Onkyo TX-NR3008
Emotiva XPA-5 Gen 2
Xbox 360
PS3
PS4
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