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post #7621 of 7863
Okay, i played around some more, 55% is the mark not 75 for me. Highly suggest the Darblet. Nevermind 2D, the 3D quality on my Panny 8000 is honestly like nothing ive ever seen in a home theater to date other than the new 4k displays . Darbee does for my picture what my subs and buttkickers did and do to my sound. Im going to lend this to some friends after ive watched more content. Also going to try it with my PS4... Awesome product ... In my opinion the perfect match is the Oppo BDP-103 with the Marvel Processor vs the 103D. I know its more money but i think there is absolutely a quality difference between the two models since ive tested both, I know everyone is saying there is no difference with darbee turned off but i beg to differ . There is a difference..the marvel. The 103 with the Darblet is just jaw dropping.
post #7622 of 7863
What happens if you connect the Darbee to a 4K set.
post #7623 of 7863
just got mine last night. watched only one blu ray and played with settings. so far I like game at 65%. really great product.

using with: Epson 5020ub, 100" ES, Denon X4000, ps3
post #7624 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Wellywell View Post

Just got mine...im liking it so far. I do prefer the Darblet vs the Oppo 103D. I had the 103, sold it, upgrading to the 103D, didn't like it especially in 3D, returned it to oppo and bought a 103 again to get my Marvel processor back. One weird thing and I already talked to Darbee but my Onkyo TX-NR3008 has no problem working with the Darblet as long as its between the oppo and the rx'er. As soon as i connect the darblet via the onkyo 's main hdmi out it will allow 2d no problem but not 3D?? Im get audio only . I was using a. 4' hdmi cable originally and per Darbee's suggestion i changed the cable out with a. 6' and still got the same result. Also each time i power down all
Sources each time to do a full test. As soon as i put the darby back in line with the oppo and onkyo it started working again . I really wanted all of my sources to benefit from this . 75 % seems to be my sweetspot . Im not buying a 2nd one for the same room

This is weird to me. I have a Sony HW30ES pushing 11.5' to a 100" screen. I have my projector sharpness settings now at 11 with Motion Enhancer engaged at Low. I have the Darbee at 38% in HD mode and anything above that looks cartoonish.
post #7625 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Wellywell View Post

I do prefer the Darblet vs the Oppo 103D. I had the 103, sold it, upgrading to the 103D, didn't like it especially in 3D, returned it to oppo and bought a 103 again to get my Marvel processor back.

The Marvell processor in the OPPO 103 applies non-defeatable DNR to all video sources to reduce grain, which also has the side effect of reducing detail. Because of problems with this, OPPO dropped Marvell from the 103D, which uses a VRS processor instead and does not have this issue. Most users prefer the 103D, but if you're a grain-hater, you may prefer the DNR.
post #7626 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

The Marvell processor in the OPPO 103 applies non-defeatable DNR to all video sources to reduce grain, which also has the side effect of reducing detail. Because of problems with this, OPPO dropped Marvell from the 103D, which uses a VRS processor instead and does not have this issue. Most users prefer the 103D, but if you're a grain-hater, you may prefer the DNR.

I have the BDP93 which also has the Marvel processor. You can basically bypass it if you use HDMI2 out of the OPPO instead of HDMI1, or if you can find an older BDP-83.
post #7627 of 7863
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Originally Posted by wxman View Post

I have the BDP93 which also has the Marvel processor. You can basically bypass it if you use HDMI2 out of the OPPO instead of HDMI1, or if you can find an older BDP-83.

The -93 did not have the issue reported on the -103.

It's true: all these OPPO players (93/95, 103/105, 103D/105D) bypass video processing on HDMI2. Mediatek only in that case (which is still rather good).

-Bill
post #7628 of 7863
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Originally Posted by mattg3 View Post

What happens if you connect the Darbee to a 4K set.

 

The Darblet does not pass a 4K signal.  So the answer is in two parts:

 

- First, you cannot up-convert the signal to 4K before the Darblet.

- Second, if you apply Darbee processing to the signal before it gets to the display, and allow the display to up-convert, the PQ improvements from the Darblet are as beneficial and visible as if it were a 1080p display.  IOW, it works fine.

 

I have the Sony XBR65-X900a and am passing a 1080P signal from my AVR through a Darblet to the display.  The PQ is stunning.

post #7629 of 7863
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Originally Posted by wxman View Post

I have the BDP93 which also has the Marvel processor. You can basically bypass it if you use HDMI2 out of the OPPO instead of HDMI1, or if you can find an older BDP-83.

Right, but he specifically mentioned trading the 103D back to get another 103 because he liked the Marvell. What he's really saying is that he likes the DNR.

That's fine if that's his personal preference, but it seems counter-productive to me to DNR an image before Darbee processing. When you take away detail, you give the Darblet less info to work with.
Edited by Josh Z - 2/5/14 at 11:52am
post #7630 of 7863
I ordered a Darblet just before the 105D was announced (I have a 105). I've only had the Darbee for a while, and have yet to experiment with the Oppo's HDMI-2 output, but I love the picture I'm getting even with the internal processing. (I keep everything in the Oppo at "0" except for the enhanced color and contrast settings.) I've got a 60" screen that I sit a bit too far away from, but I'm very happy. (So far in the 50-55% HD range for the Darblet. Still experimenting.)
post #7631 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Josh Z View Post

Right, but he specifically mentioned trading the 103D back to get another 103 because he liked the Marvell. What he's really saying is that he likes the DNR.

That's fine if that's his personal preference, but it seems counter-intuitive to me to DNR an image before Darbee processing. When you take away detail, you give the Darblet less info to work with.

I agree. It seems that it would make more sense to use HDMI 2 to bypass the Marvel chip and let the Darbee do it's thing, thus only processing the image once instead of twice.
post #7632 of 7863
Hello all -
Did as much searching as possible but did not find answer to my question.
When Darbee is hooked up in my signal chain (Frontier cable box QIP6416-2, Yamaha Receiver RX-A2010, Darbee, Mitsubishi Projector or Panasonic TV) the video flashes on and off sometimes with purplish screen and once and a while blue screen with HD content warning from cable box. No issues with same path prior to Darbee. I can get it to work if ran straight to TV or projector or when using Bluray player, receiver, Darbee, TV or Projector. I have tried other combinations of having Darbee before or after the receiver and still get same issue. Powering on in any order also does not seem to matter.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.
post #7633 of 7863

I believe the FAQ mentions video flashing when a device has deep color enabled.  Check that setting to make sure it is off.

post #7634 of 7863
As far as I can tell there is not an option on the cable box, receiver or TV to turn deep color off.
post #7635 of 7863
I only use Deep color with my Darblets and they have always worked fine for me.
post #7636 of 7863
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I only use Deep color with my Darblets and they have always worked fine for me.

 

I don't think I was stating an absolute, just relaying what was in the FAQ

 

post #7637 of 7863
Thanks for the help guys.
post #7638 of 7863
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Originally Posted by brent_b_23 View Post

Hello all -
Did as much searching as possible but did not find answer to my question.
When Darbee is hooked up in my signal chain (Frontier cable box QIP6416-2, Yamaha Receiver RX-A2010, Darbee, Mitsubishi Projector or Panasonic TV) the video flashes on and off sometimes with purplish screen and once and a while blue screen with HD content warning from cable box. No issues with same path prior to Darbee. I can get it to work if ran straight to TV or projector or when using Bluray player, receiver, Darbee, TV or Projector. I have tried other combinations of having Darbee before or after the receiver and still get same issue. Powering on in any order also does not seem to matter.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Your handshake problems are probably better addressed in the HDMI Q&A - The One Connector World Forum.

http://www.avsforum.com/f/168/hdmi-q-a-the-one-connector-world
post #7639 of 7863
I can only tell you what i see. My system was professionally calibrated to the point im getting volumetric lighting when in 3D mode and ghe darbee has only made it better . I will try and post a pic of a 2D image to see what you think
post #7640 of 7863
Please let me know what you think. This is using my pt-ae8000 projector, oppo bdp-103, darbee darblet, onkyo tx-nr3008, 92" Electric 2.35:1 ceiling mounted screen 1.1 gain

post #7641 of 7863
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Originally Posted by Wellywell View Post

Please let me know what you think. This is using my pt-ae8000 projector, oppo bdp-103, darbee darblet, onkyo tx-nr3008, 92" Electric 2.35:1 ceiling mounted screen 1.1 gain

It's pretty much impossible to tell anything from a pic. The quality of your display is orders of magnitude better than your low-res pic, especially when displayed on a computer screen.
post #7642 of 7863
I do realize that but also feel you can get an appreciation for what the quality looks like in person when the pic looks that good coming from an iphone. Its is i feel cinema quality in 2d and definitelt in 3D...im just saying i had both the 103 and the 103D and forwhatever reason i couldn't duplicate the picture quality on the 103D that i was so use to getting with my 103. To each his own i guess. Im extremely please with my set up
post #7643 of 7863
One more!

post #7644 of 7863
Erkq, The photo i posted was not from a computer screen?? it was taken from my projector that i have projecting onto a 92" 2.35:1 screen using the lens memory function on my Panny PT-AE8000
post #7645 of 7863
He means that he is viewing your photo on a computer screen.

Capturing your screen image with a camera, and then viewing that image on a computer screen is a drastically different experience than viewing your display directly. So much so, that it doesn't really convey the effects of the Darbee in a very meaningful way.
post #7646 of 7863
Those pics are jpegs 500k or less in size. There's not enough meaningful detail left to form any type of conclusion regarding the Darblet.
post #7647 of 7863
About to buy a yamaha receiver and start running HDMI from oppo 83 to receiver then out to Darbee and then to screen.Is that too much processing going on?I have been going directly from oppo to darbee to screen.
post #7648 of 7863
Im
Having issues doing that. It works when its in line between my 103 and my onkyo as soon as i put the darbee on hdmi out main from my receiver it will allow a 2D signal but not 3D. I only get audio but if i put it back in line between the blu ray and my rx'er it works great. I even tried swapping out a four foot hdmi to a six foot and still got the same result. So much for all of my devices, i guess only my oppo will benefit
post #7649 of 7863
Just received the Darblet and am experiencing an interesting variation on the flashing problem. Using an Oppo 80 (deep color disabled) --> Yamaha AVR --> 6' HDMI --> Darblet --> 25' HDMI --> Panny 720p pj. Anyways, the flashing (w/the screen also going black momentarily every few seconds) occurs only on a bd movie's main menu screen, and disappears once the main feature starts. Will try to see if the same thing happens on my Seiki bd player (using as my region-free player), which is also connected to the AVR. Am finding that the 'HD' 60 - 70 setting works well on my 720p pj (won't upgrade until 'affordable' 4K pj's are readily avail) and 140" scope screen. Also keeping an eye on the upcoming DVP5100's TBA pricing, being released in April, which is within the 90-day Costco return period for the Darblet, should I chose to upgrade, depending on pricing.
Edited by ambientcafe - 2/6/14 at 10:22am
post #7650 of 7863
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Originally Posted by ambientcafe View Post

Just received the Darblet and am experiencing an interesting variation on the flashing problem. Using an Oppo 80 (deep color disabled) --> Yamaha AVR --> 6' HDMI --> Darblet --> 25' HDMI --> Panny 720p pj. Anyways, the flashing (w/the screen also going black momentarily every few seconds) occurs only on a bd movie's main menu screen, and disappears once the main feature starts. Will try to see if the same thing happens on my Seiki bd player (using as my region-free player), which is also connected to the AVR. Am finding that the 'HD' 60 - 70 setting works well on my 720p pj (won't upgrade until 'affordable' 4K pj's are readily avail) and 140" scope screen. Also keeping an eye on the upcoming DVP5100's TBA pricing, being released in April, which is within the 90-day Costco return period for the Darblet, should I chose to upgrade, depending on pricing.

That could be a bandwidth problem over the longer HDMI cable. The menu might be 1080@60 while the main feature would be 1080@24. Or do you have the player's output set to something other than 1080p and 1080p24 turned on?

-Bill
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