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post #781 of 6140
6/25/12 at 3:32pm
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post

After reading this again I will try turning of audio to the HDMI ports and see what happens. I don't need audio because they are going to my projectors.
Thanks...I will let you know if it clears up any of my problems.
Wish you luck. Would be strange indeed if the audio settings fix you color space issue.
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post #782 of 6140
6/25/12 at 4:26pm
DD - Any thoughts on when a firmware update might be available for the color space and EDID pass-through issues?
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post #783 of 6140
6/25/12 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by praz View Post

Wish you luck. Would be strange indeed if the audio settings fix you color space issue.

No change! I was already using spdif output and didn't realize it was in the same setup area.
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post #784 of 6140
6/25/12 at 5:56pm
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My Darbee unit is connected inline between a Sony STR-DA5600ES A/V receiver and a Planar PD470 video LCD monitor.
I recently upgraded my DirecTV service to a new top-of-the-line Home Media Center, swapping out the two-year-old HD DVR. The new unit has a handshaking issue with all my tested and swapped out HDMI cables.
- All other Sony inputs (e.g. my Oppo 95, Roku) work OK.
- The prior DirectTV HD DVR worked OK.
- Switching the input on the Sony A/V and switching it back to DirectTV restores the handshake.
- Unplugging an HDMI cable and plugging it back in anywhere it the current chain restores the handshake.
- Turning the Darbee signal off and turning it back on from the remote does not solve the problem.
- Removing the Darbee from the signal path solves the problem.
Any ideas would be appreciated.

Something you might consider is this unit http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=8005. This little box cured all my sync issues between my HTPC (ATI 7770, HMDI) and my Denon receiver. My system was mostly stable but waking from sleep mode at times caused problems where my audio device would drop. Also I never had much luck with the Denon Quick Select options. I would lose audio and least 50% of the time. There were also other little annoying handshake drops playing movie clips back to back very quickly. Since I put in the HDMI Detective Plus, all issues are history and my system actually works much smoother than ever. For those with EDID problems with Darbee, this may help.
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post #785 of 6140
6/25/12 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by henrich3 View Post

DD - Any thoughts on when a firmware update might be available for the color space and EDID pass-through issues?

The many corner conditions and mixed responses to the lash ups has resulted in a pretty gnarly matrix of data. We are working on it diligently, and will get it complete because we are in this for the long haul.

-DD
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post #786 of 6140
6/25/12 at 6:42pm
^^^
Thank you sir.
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post #787 of 6140
6/25/12 at 7:56pm
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Originally Posted by Boltfoe View Post

Something you might consider is this unit http://www.gefen.com/kvm/dproduct.jsp?prod_id=8005. This little box cured all my sync issues between my HTPC (ATI 7770, HMDI) and my Denon receiver. My system was mostly stable but waking from sleep mode at times caused problems where my audio device would drop. Also I never had much luck with the Denon Quick Select options. I would lose audio and least 50% of the time. There were also other little annoying handshake drops playing movie clips back to back very quickly. Since I put in the HDMI Detective Plus, all issues are history and my system actually works much smoother than ever. For those with EDID problems with Darbee, this may help.

Wow funny you mention this unit as I have one as well. You are right its awesome. You know what you may be on to something here. I programmed this unit to output 444 before the Darblet was even out on the market and all I did was introduce the Darblet in the chain. Once you program it you no longer need the power supply and it just sits in the chain and keeps the signal stable. Maybe that's why my setup works perfectly
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post #788 of 6140
6/26/12 at 4:44am
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it just sits in the chain and keeps the signal stable

TDiMura,

Please describe your chain. Is unit before or after Darblet.

I have sync issues with Comcast box, but everything else works fine. My chain is Sources >>>AVR>>>>Darblet>>>>Projector. I'm curious how you are using it.

Thanks!
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post #789 of 6140
6/26/12 at 9:52am
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it just sits in the chain and keeps the signal stable
TDiMura,
Please describe your chain. Is unit before or after Darblet.
I have sync issues with Comcast box, but everything else works fine. My chain is Sources >>>AVR>>>>Darblet>>>>Projector. I'm curious how you are using it.
Thanks!

Hi there :

First is the video/source then 6ft high speed hdmi to the HDMI Detective Plus then 6ft high speed hdmi to the Darbeevision Darblet then 6ft high speed hdmi to my Mitsubishi L75-A91 Laser TV I have no handshake issues no color-space issues actually no issues of any kind ever. Just perfect stable image. The Darblet is the only video processor in the chain. Hope that helps
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post #790 of 6140
6/26/12 at 10:15am
Great, thanks!
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post #791 of 6140
6/26/12 at 6:48pm
Thanks. I'll give it a try.


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post #792 of 6140
6/26/12 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by michael knights View Post

Sorry. I'm living in Spain and voltage European is (220v 50 Hz) and United States (110v 60 Hz). Does it work the Darbee in Europe?
It seems a very interesting and several friends of Spain would like to buy it.

Yes. The included power supply will work fine though you will need an adaptor plug to allow it to physically plug into the sockets used in Spain. Please email any of the AV Science sales team amd we can ship as many as you need to Spain.
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post #793 of 6140
6/26/12 at 8:45pm
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Originally Posted by TDiMura View Post

Hi there :
First is the video/source then 6ft high speed hdmi to the HDMI Detective Plus then 6ft high speed hdmi to the Darbeevision Darblet then 6ft high speed hdmi to my Mitsubishi L75-A91 Laser TV I have no handshake issues no color-space issues actually no issues of any kind ever. Just perfect stable image. The Darblet is the only video processor in the chain. Hope that helps

Other than the forced RGB output the Darblet works fine with my JVC. Handshaking is fine when I change sources on my Duo. The biggest problem is my second output on my Duo and 3D Acer projector. When I play a 3D bluray it flips the eye polarity but it will also force my 3D projector to output 60hz 3D. Thats right...my glasses will flicker at 30 frames per eye. Tonight I had to remove the darblet before I could get 3D bluray to work right on my projector. What a mess. The Darblet isn't even connected to the 2nd output on my Duo yet it affects the handshaking on the second output.
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post #794 of 6140
6/26/12 at 9:17pm
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post

Other than the forced RGB output the Darblet works fine with my JVC. Handshaking is fine when I change sources on my Duo. The biggest problem is my second output on my Duo and 3D Acer projector. When I play a 3D bluray it flips the eye polarity but it will also force my 3D projector to output 60hz 3D. Thats right...my glasses will flicker at 30 frames per eye. Tonight I had to remove the darblet before I could get 3D bluray to work right on my projector. What a mess. The Darblet isn't even connected to the 2nd output on my Duo yet it affects the handshaking on the second output.


Wow that sounds like the EDID information is completely wrong. I bought that "hdmi detective' a while back and it really works. You program it once with the proper output you want from your source and then it give your projector or monitor perfect EDID match every-time. Absolutely no lag or errors at all. As I said I get 444 output out of the Darblet every time without fail. My darblet has never outputted RGB in my setup and I believe that the HDMI Detective is making sure that the proper color-space and EDID data is sent to the TV. Take a look at the unit online maybe it is your fix. Just so you know it is fully 3d compliant I have personally tested it many times including today with Wrath of The Titans 3d Blu Ray and it was flawless.

Here is some info on it

The Gefen HDMI Detective Plus
Computers and HDTV video source devices can sometimes lose the EDID --
(which is basically the electronic identification of a display) which lists its possible
resolutions and frequencies. When displays are switched away or disconnected
and then reconnected, the EDID can be lost and the computer or HD video
source device can lose the ability to display the image properly. The HDMI
Detective Plus product allows you to switch or relocate HDTV or Computer video
displays while “tricking” the source devices into thinking that the display is still
present -- maintaining smooth video operations throughout the process.
How It Works
The Gefen HDMI Detective Plus attaches to the HDTV display’s HDMI input
connector for initial programming. Power is applied and the HDMI Detective Plus
reads and stores the attached displays EDID to the internal memory. Then the
HDMI Detective Plus is attached to your source HDMI output and it will never
lose EDID again.
The HDMI Detective Plus includes 4 built-in selectable generic EDIDs that can be
used for meeting standard home theater setups. They can be selected by moving
the dip switches between the different settings


and here is where I think you may benefit:

Writing an EDID using a source device
The HDMI Detective Plus allows a signal generator (or other source device)
to write an EDID to the Detective. This provides additional flexibility when
programming custom timings and refresh rates.
1. Make sure that the WR (write) switch on the HDMI Detective Plus is in the
“E” (enable write) position and make sure all DIP switches are in the OFF
position.
2. Use an HDMI cable to connect the source (generator) device to the HDMI In
port on the HDMI Detective Plus.
3. Connect the included 5V DC power supply to the HDMI Detective Plus.
4. Use the source (generator) device to send the EDID data to the HDMI
Detective Plus.

As you can see, you can use your first video processor and send the proper EDID info and program it into this hdmi detective and then place it after the darbee. This unit will send the proper EDID info to your display no matter what along with the enhancements that the darblet makes That is its purpose. I don't know it may be the answer. All I know is I have one and it works well. Hope this helps cause it seems like this is a major pain in the ass for you.
Edited by TDiMura - 6/26/12 at 9:35pm
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post #795 of 6140
6/26/12 at 9:31pm
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post

Other than the forced RGB output the Darblet works fine with my JVC. Handshaking is fine when I change sources on my Duo. The biggest problem is my second output on my Duo and 3D Acer projector. When I play a 3D bluray it flips the eye polarity but it will also force my 3D projector to output 60hz 3D. Thats right...my glasses will flicker at 30 frames per eye. Tonight I had to remove the darblet before I could get 3D bluray to work right on my projector. What a mess. The Darblet isn't even connected to the 2nd output on my Duo yet it affects the handshaking on the second output.

Would you be better off connecting the Darblet between your Blu-ray player & the Duo? You wouldn't have the benefit of processing other sources but Blu-rays might have fewer problems. You would also gain the benefit of enhancing your 3D movies.
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post #796 of 6140
6/26/12 at 11:36pm
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Originally Posted by TDiMura View Post

Wow funny you mention this unit as I have one as well. ... I programmed this unit to output 444... it just sits in the chain and keeps the signal stable. Maybe that's why my setup works perfectly

Maybe it is. Have you tried removing the HDMI Detective from the chain, and seeing how well things function then? It's an easy enough test to do, and would eliminate a lot of speculation.
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post #797 of 6140
6/27/12 at 1:58am
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post #798 of 6140
6/27/12 at 2:51am
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

Yes. The included power supply will work fine though you will need an adaptor plug to allow it to physically plug into the sockets used in Spain. Please email any of the AV Science sales team amd we can ship as many as you need to Spain.

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post #799 of 6140
6/27/12 at 4:32am
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Wow that sounds like the EDID information is completely wrong. I bought that "hdmi detective' a while back and it really works. You program it once with the proper output you want from your source and then it give your projector or monitor perfect EDID match every-time. Absolutely no lag or errors at all. As I said I get 444 output out of the Darblet every time without fail. My darblet has never outputted RGB in my setup and I believe that the HDMI Detective is making sure that the proper color-space and EDID data is sent to the TV. Take a look at the unit online maybe it is your fix. Just so you know it is fully 3d compliant I have personally tested it many times including today with Wrath of The Titans 3d Blu Ray and it was flawless.
Here is some info on it
The Gefen HDMI Detective Plus
Computers and HDTV video source devices can sometimes lose the EDID --
(which is basically the electronic identification of a display) which lists its possible
resolutions and frequencies. When displays are switched away or disconnected
and then reconnected, the EDID can be lost and the computer or HD video
source device can lose the ability to display the image properly. The HDMI
Detective Plus product allows you to switch or relocate HDTV or Computer video
displays while “tricking” the source devices into thinking that the display is still
present -- maintaining smooth video operations throughout the process.
How It Works
The Gefen HDMI Detective Plus attaches to the HDTV display’s HDMI input
connector for initial programming. Power is applied and the HDMI Detective Plus
reads and stores the attached displays EDID to the internal memory. Then the
HDMI Detective Plus is attached to your source HDMI output and it will never
lose EDID again.
The HDMI Detective Plus includes 4 built-in selectable generic EDIDs that can be
used for meeting standard home theater setups. They can be selected by moving
the dip switches between the different settings
and here is where I think you may benefit:
Writing an EDID using a source device
The HDMI Detective Plus allows a signal generator (or other source device)
to write an EDID to the Detective. This provides additional flexibility when
programming custom timings and refresh rates.
1. Make sure that the WR (write) switch on the HDMI Detective Plus is in the
“E” (enable write) position and make sure all DIP switches are in the OFF
position.
2. Use an HDMI cable to connect the source (generator) device to the HDMI In
port on the HDMI Detective Plus.
3. Connect the included 5V DC power supply to the HDMI Detective Plus.
4. Use the source (generator) device to send the EDID data to the HDMI
Detective Plus.
As you can see, you can use your first video processor and send the proper EDID info and program it into this hdmi detective and then place it after the darbee. This unit will send the proper EDID info to your display no matter what along with the enhancements that the darblet makes That is its purpose. I don't know it may be the answer. All I know is I have one and it works well. Hope this helps cause it seems like this is a major pain in the ass for you.

This device may solve the problem with my Mits TV. I want to pass and maintain proper EDID info from my Lumagen VP to my TV with the darblet in the chain - but I'm a little confused about the initial programming. Do I feed the EDID info from the VP into Geffen device or the TV?

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post #800 of 6140
6/27/12 at 7:37am
I think part of the problem is that the Duo never sees that my JVC is turned off when the Darblet is connected. So the detective would probably not help me.

I like the Darblet...how can you not? I like using it with DirectV, my PS3 and my 2D bluray player that is modified for 3xspdif for use with my Meridian processor. I get HD audio with the 2D player but only DTS and DD from my PS3 and 3D movies. So I have a lot of sources including an HTPC that I want to use the Darblet on. I can live without it on 3D movies...for now. If they can fix this problem I may buy another.
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post #801 of 6140
6/27/12 at 8:21am
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I think part of the problem is that the Duo never sees that my JVC is turned off when the Darblet is connected. So the detective would probably not help me.
If this is the cause of your issues the Detective Plus should help. The proper way to set the Detective up is to program it with the EDID info from the display. The display is connected to the output of the Detective and the last component in the source chain is connected to the input of the Detective. Even with power completely removed from the display the source components will see it as connected and on.
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post #802 of 6140
6/27/12 at 8:39am
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Originally Posted by DarbeeDr View Post

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Originally Posted by henrich3 View Post

DD - Any thoughts on when a firmware update might be available for the color space and EDID pass-through issues?

The many corner conditions and mixed responses to the lash ups has resulted in a pretty gnarly matrix of data. We are working on it diligently, and will get it complete because we are in this for the long haul.

-DD
Thus far I have shown A couple Friends & my father the Darblet on my bedroom setup (VT plasma/ Darblet/ Radiance VP) & now they All want one biggrin.gif + another for me tongue.gif

Cheers....
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post #803 of 6140
6/27/12 at 9:43am
Still waiting on mine from Smart Home, every day the in stock date keeps getting pushed back 2 days. Ordered it last week on the 21. I was going to get it from AVS but I didn't want to give my card number over the phone.
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post #804 of 6140
6/27/12 at 10:09am
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Originally Posted by praz View Post

If this is the cause of your issues the Detective Plus should help. The proper way to set the Detective up is to program it with the EDID info from the display. The display is connected to the output of the Detective and the last component in the source chain is connected to the input of the Detective. Even with power completely removed from the display the source components will see it as connected and on.

The problem is that the Duo needs to know my JVC is turned off so the Duo changes to the second outputs saved settings in the Duo. The Darblet makes it look like my JVC projector is still on and the detective would too. I wouldn't mind trying it but don't want to spend that much to find out if it would help.
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post #805 of 6140
6/27/12 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by Ronomy View Post

The problem is that the Duo needs to know my JVC is turned off so the Duo changes to the second outputs saved settings in the Duo. The Darblet makes it look like my JVC projector is still on and the detective would too. I wouldn't mind trying it but don't want to spend that much to find out if it would help.
In that case the Detective Plus will not work. I have it connected between the output of the HTPC and the input of the Duo so that the HTPC never sees the displayed disconnected.
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post #806 of 6140
6/27/12 at 10:53am
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Originally Posted by kenny2428 View Post

Still waiting on mine from Smart Home, every day the in stock date keeps getting pushed back 2 days. Ordered it last week on the 21. I was going to get it from AVS but I didn't want to give my card number over the phone.

Just because Alan has a vacation home in Florida is no reason not to buy from AVS!!!tongue.gif
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post #807 of 6140
6/27/12 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by wmassie View Post

This device may solve the problem with my Mits TV. I want to pass and maintain proper EDID info from my Lumagen VP to my TV with the darblet in the chain - but I'm a little confused about the initial programming. Do I feed the EDID info from the VP into Geffen device or the TV?


@wmassie


Hi How I programmed my HDMI detective was I used the 444 output of all of my high definition sources and programmed the detective to save the EDID of the output that I wanted. I placed the darblet into the chain before the detective and then the detective out to the TV and it worked exactly like I wanted it to. Output is 444 not RGB
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post #808 of 6140
6/27/12 at 1:36pm
Progress on the color space handling and EDID reporting issue is coming along quite well now, as we are seeing light at the end of the tunnel. Thanks for your patience and please don't ask for a specific availability date. I will have that information and another update soon. We will be updating our dealers on the availability of more Darblets quite soon as well.

You guys are wonderful and we thank you for helping to make our product better.

-DD
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post #809 of 6140
6/27/12 at 2:30pm
Have you given any further thoughts to an internet connection for updates? I would prefer a LAN connection but a USB stick would also work. In my opinion it is a serious omission not have an internet connection for the Darblet. You will undoubtedly think of further improvements down the road.

Returning the unit to you for updating with its attendant down time for the owner is not really a practical solution, especially as you sell more units, which I am certain you will do as word gets out. If you add an internet connection you could perhaps charge an upgrade fee for original buyers to exchange their units.

The Lumagen video processors, admittedly a much more complex units, have had well over a hundred updates. I think this is just the nature of HDMI and video processors.

Don't get me wrong, I do love my Darblet.
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post #810 of 6140
6/27/12 at 3:25pm
Good to see there may be light at the end of the tunnel.

Once there is a fix I will ship my Darblet where it needs to go for the update. I like it quite a bit, but...anything to stop experiencing these HDMI issues....
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