Darbee vision darblet - Page 30

Try swapping HDMI cables. I had some black screen issues using a 1 m. cable that were resolved when a 2 m. cable was swapped in.

I want one! when are they going to be available for shipping again international?

Looks like mid July.

Smarthome is 7/20/12. So think stock is more likely 3rd or 4th week July.

Order now to reserve yours.

Oh, real nice! You know we have a policy about 'spoilers' here don't ya? Now the anticipation of reading the review is ruined, since we already know how it ends.

Hi Ron. As a video nerd, I agree with you. While I don't feel that any display device should be adjusted to not meet a particular applicable standard such as Rec 709, I have no problem with display device changes whether internal or external that make the picture better subjectively. By subjectively, I mean say sharper even though some might prefer less sharp, for example. The problem with adjustment is that the vast majority of customers want to be told exactly what is correct when there is no correct. Please tell me, please what setting I should use they will ask me. Every time a new projector comes out we get post your settings please. Most customers just don't think they can discriminate correctly. Better to trust the self proclaimed experts.

Regarding correct settings for the Darblet, there simply is no correct one. The setting depends on the source, the display device, and the sensitivity to artifacts that the Darbee causes. As a sales person, I cringe when I publically state that something causes an artifact. No. No. If it causes an artifact I don't want it even some might say I can see it make the picture subjectively and even measurably better. No matter if they can not even see the artifacting. Many times we give the artifacting a name, say here noise. No noise for me. I can't myself see it but other say its there so although I don't see it myself I will set my Darbee to what they are setting so I won't have noticeable noise evern though I don't notice it on my display, source, chosen setting yada yada.

Personally, I set mine in a high quality FP system to between 50 and 65 depending. When talking yesterday to a highly respected and well known industry professional, that person acknowledged that the Darblet really improved the picture but that it had to be set for him very very low say at around 20, he said the 50 I was using was too high. What he meant that it was too high for him. Its just right for me and I am not aware when watching of any added adverse artifact.

I highly recommend the Darblet. Its price is a steal. But if one is insecure about making their own judgements re subjective setting adjustments such as motion smoothing to give a non Darbee example, it won't help your insecurity. There is just no right setting say related to setting it at 50 vs 55.
Edited by AV Science Sales 4 - 7/6/12 at 4:30pm

Well it basically makes the image look more real. Like your watching it live rather than on a screen. Like being there!

Watching the esplanade 4th of July show in Boston the other night blew me away. The stage scenes were so vivid it really felt like I was standing in the crowed watching it in person. Although with binos for the close ups...LOL. The Darblet lifts that last bit of haze from a video image and alows it to look real. It was the best image I ever saw for fireworks on TV.

Having attended the Boston fireworks display many times, i can assure you that the haze and smoke are real !

LOL. Good one!

Received my Darblet today (UK) courtesy of AVS. Too early to give impressions yet, but it was really easy to get it up and running and after turning down the scary 100% starting point on Full Pop, I am starting to like what I see. The power supply was multi-voltage which saved some pain trying to find a 5V PSU from somewhere.

With my JVC X70 (RS55) there are no problems with the HDMI handshaking.

The constant talk about firmware upgrades though has me slightly worried. If those upgrades are just to fix compatibility issues...then okay, I can sit back. If the upgrades are going to improve the actual processing and picture, then I am more worried. Do we know if the forthcoming upgrades are just compatibility fixes or enhancements?

Are you sure your getting 444 color space? If using deep color (36 bit) it may be truncating to 24 bit RGB. You may not know because the projector is set to auto color space.
Edited by Ronomy - 7/6/12 at 2:35pm

Glad you got it. It was a pleasure handling the transaction. I am in rather close contact with the Darbee folks and the fixes are not enhancements of the process but rather compatibility and switching color space format issues. That's it. So don't worry. These fixes will appear as running changes and will show up in new shipments. If one is having problems, email Darbee and they will handle things. I would stress that if one is not having a verifiable problem, there is no need to get the software updates which would require a unit return to Darbee. The vast majority of users have no issues. If one is coming to Cedia in September, if you bring your unit, Darbee will load the fixes on the spot.

I would note that the price quoted in the WSR review by Gary Reber is wrong. The correct price is $269 which at the dealer's discretion includes free continental US ground shipping. AV Science includes free shipping in the price. The units are still back ordered until the week of the 23rd, probably late that week, and can not be ordered on on our click and buy site being in back ordered status. But if you call one of our sales team, we can take your order and see that you get shipped one within one day of their arrival on or shipping dock. i am in the same boat, Tom Huffman grabbing mine as soon as as he saw it in operation. Customers aways come first in my book.
Edited by AV Science Sales 4 - 7/6/12 at 4:31pm

No, it is outputting RGB. So I set my DVDO Duo to output RGB as well. The JVC does indicate it is getting a 12-bit colourspace though in the menus. How can I be sure it really is 12-bit though and not just saying it?

I think I read the darblet has 10 bit processing so not sure what you are getting. What is your Duo set to output for color depth? You could try forcing it to different values and see what the projector does. It should change. If not then you found another HDMI problem.

The Darbeevision users guide says its internal processing is 10 bit 4:4:4 but it inputs 8, 10, or 12 bit at 4:4:4 (or anything less). My assumption is that the processor after processing is designed to output the number of bits inputted as well as the specific X:X:X inputted. Perhaps Larry will jump in and verify or correct my assumption.

I do find it amusing that a foreign Darbee dealer is quoted by Darbee as saying he replaced his show room processor which cost $3000 with the Darblet. The Darblet is an inline processor which does one processing function. Something that no other processor presently does and which offers a very significant contribution to the art of video processing. It has only one input and one output, which is indeed quite appropriate for an inline device. I use my Darbee in connection with my Lumagen soon to be daisy chained with a Teranex. The Darbee is not designed as a full fledged processor which has multiple inputs and outputs as well as performing a myriad of often needed functions such as deinterlacing, scaling, CMS, noise reduction, 3D format changing, aspect rato adjustments, signal pattern generation and on and on and on. I view the Darblet as adding an additional mode of video processing and one that I think everyone should employ.

Darbee on its web page has stated that it offering its process for use by other video processor and display manufacturers presumably for a per unit employed royalty. The problem is the amount of processing power any such device would need to have available to run the Darbee program in real time. The present processing chips used in say front projectors do not have such capacity. Going to a larger chip by display and processor manufacturers coupled with royalty payments would undoubtedly raise the cost of any processor or display significantly. Be glad Darbee is offering it to us in an inline processor at the present cost. Its a steal.
Edited by AV Science Sales 4 - 7/6/12 at 8:30pm

In the case of being handed something other than RGB, our engineer has successfully modified our processing so that we will process in the incoming color space and color resolution to avoid the HDMI communication pitfalls. The communication will be much easier for the HDMI code to handle and our processing should take on the perfect transparency that was originally intended.

-DD

This is excellent news DarbeeDr , So no extra colorspace convertions,
I take it the Darblet will now have the capability to perform its internal processing @ up to 12Bit ?

Cheers..

I am interested in trying one of these but would just as soon wait on any known fixes to be added before ordering, do we have a time frame for the next 'updated' units to be available?

Thank You,
Jason

My back finally healed enough where I can move things around & connect my darbee I know Ive asked this before is there anything i need to know about the darbee like the rgb & 444 442.My equiment is Onkyo 5507pre-pro Pioneer 51 blu-ray & Pany 4000 projector do I have to set my blu-ray player to rgb,444,442 ycyb? thanks

Thats something you have to figure out yourself. Unless somebody else has the same setup as you. Most are getting RGB out and to me its best feeding it RGB. I hope eventually I can send mine in for an update and use 444 in and out.

According to Dr. Darbee DVP needs a "freakishly small amount of resources."

Shawn

Thanks again Ronomy

Hope your back feels better! That is one pain that just sucks big time.

 

+1. I placed an order this week for a delivery in the 2nd half of July (currently on backorder). Now I am wondering if I need to cancel and wait for the updated batch. ____ Axel

If I have trouble with HDMI cables do any of you power down your equipment before you swap cables or do you change cables with everything on? I was always affraid to leave things on when connecting electronics & dont want to turn the power off on my projector,thanks

It does seem to change as I change the Duo. So I don't think its a problem, it is just reflecting what it gets as an input. If the Darblet only has 10 bit processing, then I assume it is losing the extra 2 bits but outputting 12 bits anyway. I think the solution of providing a menu option to force the output to 444, 422 or RGB is the right and simplest solution.

In the meantime I am very much enjoying the new toy. For blu-rays I am mainly running at around 45% in HD mode. And for satellite HD (Sky), I am using the same percentage in full pop. It is nice to have something where it SO easy to set-up and see a clear and visible difference, yet be able to switch it off so easily too.

I do think that "out of the box" the units should not ship at a default of 100%. It looks way too much and shocked me the first time. I also found it a bit odd that the default on-screen display leaves the Darblet mode setting displayed in the bottom right corner permanently. Of course , very easy to correct in the menus, but I think it should come at 50% default, and without the self-indulgent permanent on-screen display!

So, Jonathan, are you recommending this then? I'm still loving eshift in part because it seems to add dimensionality to the image but this takes it to another level I guess....

"Freakishly small" refers to the amount of silicon required when our processing logic is fully optimized in custom silicon, ie. logic in an existing SOC.

-DD

You don't need to wait to place your order. All future shipments will have the "fix," integrated.

-DD

for those with initial units, when would it be possible to send back for the update?