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post #211 of 1117
8/8/12 at 3:47pm
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Originally Posted by rjhseven View Post

I updated very quickly this morning; have not watched anything since. I like the sharp tv Netflix interface because it show captions for hearing impaired (as does my Panny 220 Blu ray player which I keep in another room).

I haven't noticed any difference since applying the update earlier today. I did try the motion enhancement in both low and high... still get the same "ghost balls" (not just one but two) when the camera is following a full golf shot.

As for Netflix, it was the skimpy search function, compared to the XBox 360, that turned me away. I didn't notice the caption feature on either device's interface so I can't comment on how it works.
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post #212 of 1117
8/8/12 at 4:33pm
219U1207181 now available on Sharp website:

This firmware improves the performance of the set when receiving a 1080p @30Hz DTV signal.

This firmware also contains all previous fixes and enhancements.
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post #213 of 1117
8/10/12 at 5:07pm
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Originally Posted by ascully View Post

25 is on the loud side for me when watching the built in Netflix or Youtube app. Might be your Direct TV that needs turning up?

Thats not the problem. Got a new Sony HX 750 and opened it and set up close to my Sharp. Connected HDMI and sound was great at 25 on Sony. have to be in 40's now on all sources on Sharp.
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post #214 of 1117
8/13/12 at 7:07pm
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Originally Posted by gordon7 View Post

219U1207181 now available on Sharp website:
This firmware improves the performance of the set when receiving a 1080p @30Hz DTV signal.
This firmware also contains all previous fixes and enhancements.

I haven't tried my set with a DTV signal... I'm now a bit curious as to how it performs after reading this.
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post #215 of 1117
8/14/12 at 2:07pm
Just purchased the 60" 6400. Having a couple problems someone may know about or have experienced.

1. My OTA antenna is in my attic and is split once and runs to two TVs. My previous HD TV in this location had adequate reception. This new TV does not identify a single channel (using EZ Setup). I have connected a cheapo antenna next to the TV and it is picking up all the local OTA channels. Is this TV that much less sensitive?

2. Similar to #1, I have basic analog cable from Comcast. I hook that up using the RF connector and EZSetup and it does not identify any channels.

Is there another tool besides EZSetup that shows better diagnostics? Any suggestions on where I should go for assistance? Can Sharp help with this?
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post #216 of 1117
8/14/12 at 4:11pm
When you did the EZ Setup did you select ‘Antenna & Cable – Air’ or ‘Antenna & Cable – cable’ each time you ran it with the different sources? If you did and it shows nothing I’d say you have a bad RF input. And if thats the case, yes you need to call Sharp or take it back to Costco.
Edit: I just realized you said you got OTA from one Antenna but not the other, which indicates the RF input is working. Maybe your RG-59/6 cables have either a bad connecter or center conductor is not long enough to make a connection with the RF connector on the TV.
Edited by SCHLENKER - 8/14/12 at 4:24pm
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post #217 of 1117
8/15/12 at 4:29am
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Originally Posted by OnlookerDelay View Post

Wish I could help you with this, but I've got a standard flat wall mount. I got mine from Monoprice.com and it's an ultra-slim type. I think I paid about $30 for it and it works great with my Sharp LC-60-640U. My TV hugs the wall and it helps a lot with improving the side viewing angles from the corners of our seating arrangement.

I was thinking of doing the same due to the price, but unsure of the quality. There are a number of low profile wall mounts available, some cheaper than $30, would you mind me asking which one you used? 60"?
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post #218 of 1117
8/15/12 at 5:54pm
got my LC-70C6400U setup today - still need to tweak with the visuals but setup took about 5 minutes - I'm impressed so far! Streaming YouTube and DLNA from the home server without issues using the newest 81 firmware smile.gif
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post #219 of 1117
8/15/12 at 9:12pm
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Originally Posted by twilabywoodford View Post

Those changes helped but the motion still has a fake/scan look to it.

I've found tat te only way to get of that ugliness is to use Game mode.
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post #220 of 1117
8/17/12 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by teckademic View Post

I was thinking of doing the same due to the price, but unsure of the quality. There are a number of low profile wall mounts available, some cheaper than $30, would you mind me asking which one you used? 60"?

Sure, I got this one http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10828&cs_id=1082807&p_id=4114&seq=1&format=2. It's now only $18. I actually paid $19.72 for mine in January,2010. I used it originally for my Toshiba Regza that this set replaced.
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post #221 of 1117
8/17/12 at 6:46pm
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Originally Posted by twilabywoodford View Post

The picture looks great but for some reason the HD content has that "fake" movement look to it.

chancegG's solution to use the "Game" display mode is probably the best solution, but you're still going to see "judder" during rapid movement there. I've just finally had to accept the fact that this series is going to have less than stellar performance in dynamic displays. It's not fatal, but it's a real toe-stubber, IMO.
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post #222 of 1117
8/18/12 at 9:58pm
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Originally Posted by Overscan View Post

Picked up a 60" model from costco a couple of weeks ago... been using the CNET settings for about the past week. It's my first LCD TV, finally moving up from a 32" HD CRT. I'm very happy with the color and picture quality. Not so thrilled about the quality of HD content available, most of what I've watched so far has had distracting macroblocking... OTA, blu-ray, Netflix streams.


My TV has noticeable clouding in the lower left hand part of the picture. It doesn't show up often while watching most content but I keep looking for it when the screen gets dark, so right now I'm finding it very distracting. It appears to be a problem where the minimum brightness for that part of the screen is a little brighter than the rest of the screen. It's only noticeable when that part of the screen is intended to be less than say 5% bright.


I'm attaching a picture taken during the day when the screen was picking up a lot of reflections. You can see the clouding in the lower left part of that picture, it's the blue-ish spot. That's about how bright it looks during viewing. The clouding looks worse as I move to the right.





I've also attached a picture taken in the dark that shows up a lot more flaws that are nearly invisible to the naked eye.





So I'm thinking of exchanging the TV, but that a PITA because I'll have to borrow a friend's truck and I'll need to figure out how to safely secure the old box back together once I drop the top back on. But before I go through all that... how much clouding should I expect? If I exchange the TV am I likely to get one with less clouding? I've never run into this on my LCD monitors, so I have no frame of reference.
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I was looking at the 640U and 735U a couple weeks ago but ended up getting a Sharp LC-70LE632U a week ago (non-3D fully backlit 2011 model without local dimming) and it has been a very disappointing experience for me. The display has major clouding that hasn't improved even the slightest bit after leaving it on for a week straight without turning it off. The DSE is terrible on some programs it looks like a thick layer of dust is on the screen. Uniformity is terrible and there is something that almost looks like banding on really light color programming like white or light blue.

Sharp has given me a case number and asked for photos showing the problems. The funny thing is they think that they can actually send someone out to fix it. After reading all the positive reviews on here I had high expectations for it, but even calibrated reasonably close to right the picture on this tv pales in comparison to the 3 year old LG that I replaced with it.

Clouding 1

Clouding 4

Clouding 6

Will keep everyone posted and let you know if they exchange it out for another monitor - we will see how good their customer service actually is. For the moment I am very disappointed with Sharp this monitor has the worst picture of any tv I have owned in the past 10 years.
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post #223 of 1117
8/18/12 at 11:38pm
I would say that's a lot of clouding there, compared to mine at least. Not really sure what is considered a lot, but for what it's worth, I only have a very faint, almost never noticeable cloud in the bottom left hand corner, but like I said, I almost never notice it with all content so I may of gotten lucky or these sets don't suffer as much from clouding.
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post #224 of 1117
8/19/12 at 4:24am
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Originally Posted by OBSSSD View Post

I was looking at the 640U and 735U a couple weeks ago but ended up getting a Sharp LC-70LE632U a week ago (non-3D fully backlit 2011 model without local dimming) and it has been a very disappointing experience for me. The display has major clouding that hasn't improved even the slightest bit after leaving it on for a week straight without turning it off. The DSE is terrible on some programs it looks like a thick layer of dust is on the screen. Uniformity is terrible and there is something that almost looks like banding on really light color programming like white or light blue.
Sharp has given me a case number and asked for photos showing the problems. The funny thing is they think that they can actually send someone out to fix it. After reading all the positive reviews on here I had high expectations for it, but even calibrated reasonably close to right the picture on this tv pales in comparison to the 3 year old LG that I replaced with it.

Will keep everyone posted and let you know if they exchange it out for another monitor - we will see how good their customer service actually is. For the moment I am very disappointed with Sharp this monitor has the worst picture of any tv I have owned in the past 10 years.

I don't see a lot of major issues with your display, based on the pictures I looked at. Their customer service, based on my experience with different agents, has been very positive. If you take a look at some of my previous posts, you'll see examples of clouding on full array and edge led sets. One of my sets had such extreme clouds that were so bad, they were visible during the day. In your case, it's best that they send a tech out to look at it to verify your display issue. By the way, where did you purchase your set? That item reached the end of its product cycle a while ago, and I'm surprised you found one in (I guess) a brick and mortar location. Was it an open box item?
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post #225 of 1117
8/19/12 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by myoda View Post

I don't see a lot of major issues with your display, based on the pictures I looked at. Their customer service, based on my experience with different agents, has been very positive. If you take a look at some of my previous posts, you'll see examples of clouding on full array and edge led sets. One of my sets had such extreme clouds that were so bad, they were visible during the day. In your case, it's best that they send a tech out to look at it to verify your display issue. By the way, where did you purchase your set? That item reached the end of its product cycle a while ago, and I'm surprised you found one in (I guess) a brick and mortar location. Was it an open box item?

The pictures really don't do the set justice as they were taken with my phone. It looks far worse in person when you are actually viewing the set. I bought the set from a Sharp dealer as a refurb online hoping the issues would be fixed. But obviously they just send the returns back out as refurbs hoping people will just accept them as is. Pretty poor QC on Sharp's part IMO...
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post #226 of 1117
8/19/12 at 3:09pm
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Originally Posted by OBSSSD View Post

Will keep everyone posted and let you know if they exchange it out for another monitor - we will see how good their customer service actually is. For the moment I am very disappointed with Sharp this monitor has the worst picture of any tv I have owned in the past 10 years.

I don't have anywhere near the sort of issues with my LC-60LE640U as you, and I'm less than a totally satisfied customer, so I can't imagine what your impression of Sharp must be like at this point. Everytime I think I've got my set adjusted to what appears to be a decent picture, I go and compare it to the same program on my 2009, 55" Toshiba Regza LCD and it doesn't stack up very well. I guess it's a personal preference thing, but I like a lot of "pop" in my screen and I just can't get it with this edge-lit LED technology. I didn't do enough legwork checking this out and bought this set on little more than a whim, so I accept most of the blame for winding up with a set that will forever leave me with a bit of buyer's remorse. If I had it to do over again, I would have bought the 65" Toshiba 65HT2U LCD at $120 less cost (at the time), which I now worship every time I pass it in Walmart, of all places eek.gif
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post #227 of 1117
8/19/12 at 8:28pm
My Sharp 70" has banding, flashlighting, DSE, and backlight clouding. A complete and total lemon on Sharp's part and I am not happy right now. But the more I read the more I think that most of these sets even in the best case scenarios have anything but top level PQ.
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post #228 of 1117
8/20/12 at 5:44am
Not sure about 70" but 60" that I have really good.
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post #229 of 1117
8/20/12 at 5:00pm
My last TV (Sammy LN46B640) was/is a great tv but it had back-light bleed on the right side, my LC-60LE640U has it on the left (flash lighting if you will). It’s just a matter of the technology involved and to some extent the time the (and correspondingly the price you pay) manufacturer puts into assembling the tv. Turn down the backlight as low as possible and it isn’t that bad, but if it is return it.
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post #230 of 1117
8/22/12 at 3:13pm
I just purchased a Vizio VSB200 SRS TruSurround HD Sound Bar Refurb due to the low volume fron the inferior speakers on this tv. Vizio Soundbar has no on screen menu. Had to hook up the audio in to the soundbar to my directv reciever via the optical output on the directv reciever in order to get it to work. Had hoped to connect to Sharp TV optical output to soundbar so my dvd player (and any other devices) would also have audio thru the soundbar. Have Directv and panasonic 220blu ray connected to tv thru HDMI. Any ideas on what I did wrong? Thanks
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post #231 of 1117
8/23/12 at 7:06pm
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Originally Posted by rjhseven View Post

I just purchased a Vizio VSB200 SRS TruSurround HD Sound Bar Refurb due to the low volume fron the inferior speakers on this tv. Vizio Soundbar has no on screen menu. Had to hook up the audio in to the soundbar to my directv reciever via the optical output on the directv reciever in order to get it to work. Had hoped to connect to Sharp TV optical output to soundbar so my dvd player (and any other devices) would also have audio thru the soundbar. Have Directv and panasonic 220blu ray connected to tv thru HDMI. Any ideas on what I did wrong? Thanks

The sound bar does not allow pass through of audio. You need an inexpensive receiver to process the digital audio from your sat box and blu-ray plaver using an optical cable the vsb200 only allows one digital input connection and 2 analog rca inputs.

http://store.vizio.com/documents/downloads/accessories/VSB200/271User_Manual.pdf

Page 7
1. DC IN – Plug the connector from the AC/DC Power Adapter here.
2. OPTICAL AUDIO IN – SPDIF Optical connector for connection from a device such as a home
theatre system, Amplifier, Receiver, Set Top Box or DVD Player.
3. SUB OUT– (Analog Sub-Woofer Out) Connect to an amplified subwoofer input. Do NOT
connect this directly to another Home Theater System
4. ANALOG AUDIO IN 2 – (ANALOG L/R) Connect the analog audio from a device such as a TV,
Home Theatre System, Amplifier, Receiver, Set Top Box or DVD Player.
5. ANALOG AUDIO IN 1 – (ANALOG L/R) Connect the analog audio from an additional device
such as a TV, Home Theatre System, Amplifier, Receiver, Set Top Box or DVD Player.

The tv should allow pass though of digital audio to the sound bar. Check that your audio output on the tv is set for PCM - on your tv, go to menu/system options/input terminal setting/audio setup:

You can output digital audio to an AV amplifi er or
similar device whose DIGITAL AUDIO INPUT terminal
is connected to the DIGITAL AUDIO OUTPUT terminal
on the TV. Please select an audio output format
compatible with the audio format of the program you
are watching and the equipment connected.

PCM: The optical output terminal outputs audio signal
in PCM form. If your digital audio system does not
support Dolby Digital, select "PCM".

Dolby Digital: The optical output terminal outputs audio
signal in Dolby Digital form. It reproduces sound from
surround program of digital.

from page 30 of the operation manual:

http://files.sharpusa.com/Downloads/ForHome/HomeEntertainment/LCDTVs/Manuals/mon_man_LC70LE640U_LC60LE640U_LC52LE640U_LC70C6400U_LC60C6400U_LC52C6400U_LC80LE633U.pdf
Edited by myoda - 8/23/12 at 7:26pm
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post #232 of 1117
8/23/12 at 7:29pm
I hooked up my Sony HTCT-350 via TV Optical out and it works like a charm. Soundbar also has 3 HDMI inputs but I figured, I just use optical TV out for simplicity.
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post #233 of 1117
8/24/12 at 4:34pm
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Originally Posted by myoda View Post

The sound bar does not allow pass through of audio. You need an inexpensive receiver to process the digital audio from your sat box and blu-ray plaver using an optical cable the vsb200 only allows one digital input connection and 2 analog rca inputs.
http://store.vizio.com/documents/downloads/accessories/VSB200/271User_Manual.pdf
Page 7
1. DC IN – Plug the connector from the AC/DC Power Adapter here.
2. OPTICAL AUDIO IN – SPDIF Optical connector for connection from a device such as a home
theatre system, Amplifier, Receiver, Set Top Box or DVD Player.
3. SUB OUT– (Analog Sub-Woofer Out) Connect to an amplified subwoofer input. Do NOT
connect this directly to another Home Theater System
4. ANALOG AUDIO IN 2 – (ANALOG L/R) Connect the analog audio from a device such as a TV,
Home Theatre System, Amplifier, Receiver, Set Top Box or DVD Player.
5. ANALOG AUDIO IN 1 – (ANALOG L/R) Connect the analog audio from an additional device
such as a TV, Home Theatre System, Amplifier, Receiver, Set Top Box or DVD Player.
The tv should allow pass though of digital audio to the sound bar. Check that your audio output on the tv is set for PCM - on your tv, go to menu/system options/input terminal setting/audio setup:
You can output digital audio to an AV amplifi er or
similar device whose DIGITAL AUDIO INPUT terminal
is connected to the DIGITAL AUDIO OUTPUT terminal
on the TV. Please select an audio output format
compatible with the audio format of the program you
are watching and the equipment connected.
PCM: The optical output terminal outputs audio signal
in PCM form. If your digital audio system does not
support Dolby Digital, select "PCM".
Dolby Digital: The optical output terminal outputs audio
signal in Dolby Digital form. It reproduces sound from
surround program of digital.
from page 30 of the operation manual:
http://files.sharpusa.com/Downloads/ForHome/HomeEntertainment/LCDTVs/Manuals/mon_man_LC70LE640U_LC60LE640U_LC52LE640U_LC70C6400U_LC60C6400U_LC52C6400U_LC80LE633U.pdf

I finally gave up and hooked the optical output to my Directv reciver since i watch this more than anything. It works doing that. I still could not find out how to set the TV audio to "PCM". I though if i could do that that connecting the soundbar to the TV's optical out would just pass thru whatever audio input was coming thru the TV. I'm obviously not an expert on this. After rebate, i only paid 49.99 for the soundar (re-furbished).
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post #234 of 1117
8/26/12 at 7:54am
What exactly is the difference between the two television sets mentioned in the post title? Is it just the lack of AquoMotion 240 on the 640U series sets?

EDIT: Okay, post #132 of this thread started a similar discussion. My apologies for not reading well enough earlier.
Edited by KryptoNyte - 8/26/12 at 8:33am
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post #235 of 1117
8/27/12 at 4:37pm
I connected my set-top-box to this television via HDMI, and then as any good Home Theater user would, I connected my set-top-box's optical output directly to my DTS capable amplifier. The end result, I would imagine due to the TV's extensive post-processing features (that I really enjoy), is that the audio is AHEAD of the video, noticably.

So, I thought, well here's a perfect opportunity to test that optical out on the television as it indicates on page 30 of the manual that it can pass the 5.1 channel audio directly to the receiver. Well, lo and behold, it can't. It passes PCM audio, even after entering the menu system per the manual (which doesn't seem to have the same options exactly that the TV shows regarding OUTPUT).

How in the world would anyone recommend a typical home theater person would hook up the TV, Set-top-box, and amplifier in any satisfactory manner? I'm stumped.
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post #236 of 1117
8/27/12 at 6:58pm
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Originally Posted by KryptoNyte View Post

I connected my set-top-box to this television via HDMI, and then as any good Home Theater user would, I connected my set-top-box's optical output directly to my DTS capable amplifier. The end result, I would imagine due to the TV's extensive post-processing features (that I really enjoy), is that the audio is AHEAD of the video, noticably.
So, I thought, well here's a perfect opportunity to test that optical out on the television as it indicates on page 30 of the manual that it can pass the 5.1 channel audio directly to the receiver. Well, lo and behold, it can't. It passes PCM audio, even after entering the menu system per the manual (which doesn't seem to have the same options exactly that the TV shows regarding OUTPUT).
How in the world would anyone recommend a typical home theater person would hook up the TV, Set-top-box, and amplifier in any satisfactory manner? I'm stumped.

It will pass DD 5.1 if you select Dolby Digital/Bitstream in the Audio Setup under Input Terminal Setting on your television - from page 30 of the manual. You have to select BITSTREAM. Have you thought about upgrading your receiver? Newer units allow for adjustment of audio sync issues within the AVR. A new receiver would also address the simplification of cabling that you could use. Hook all of your devices to the AVR and have a single HDMI cable to the ARC HDMI input #1 on your set.
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post #237 of 1117
8/27/12 at 8:31pm
Myoda, I must be missing something. Attached are the two menus that I see on the drill-in. I have never seen the menu labelled "Audio Setup."



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post #238 of 1117
8/27/12 at 8:32pm
Under the "Audio Select" menu from the second image are two buttons, side by side, "HDMI (Digital)" or "HDMI (Analog)", but these appear to be input selections only.
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post #239 of 1117
8/28/12 at 6:02am
From the manual

Input Terminal Setting
Audio Setup
You can output digital audio to an AV amplifier or
similar device whose DIGITAL AUDIO INPUT terminal
is connected to the DIGITAL AUDIO OUTPUT terminal
on the TV. Please select an audio output format
compatible with the audio format of the program you
are watching and the equipment connected.
PCM: The optical output terminal outputs audio signal
in PCM form. If your digital audio system does not
support Dolby Digital, select "PCM".
Dolby Digital: The optical output terminal outputs audio
signal in Dolby Digital form. It reproduces sound from
surround program of digital.
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post #240 of 1117
8/28/12 at 3:47pm
I don't believe that I have any menu called "Audio Setup," at least none that I can see in the images posted.
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