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post #691 of 1345
How well does this model play media? If I plug in a USB portable hard drive with MKV and MP4 videos on it, can it navigate and play them?
post #692 of 1345
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Originally Posted by Z-Mad View Post

Thanks for sharing. I'll check them out just for comparison sake. I know what you mean with not being able to leave things alone, lol. I've been continuously doing minor tweaks too.
My current tweaks are:

CMS Hue for red (R): -12 (realized this gives me slightly more accurate red tones)

Brightness: 0 (was able to go just a bit darker for more solid blacks without loosing any detail)

Yeah, minor tweaks that do not make a big difference any more, so rather a personal preference matter at this point...

No problem. I like how mine looks now, but I think I'm gonna stretch out those CMS settings toward your numbers again and see how it looks. I bet it will look a bit better since you're using a calibrated VT50 for comparison. I felt like I didn't want to make major CMS changes without actual calibration, since the color was looking really good with the small changes I made. Honestly, though, I'm not the best judge of color tones.

On my set, I did notice early on that Brightness set to 0 took away some shadow detail. I was watching NCIS a few weeks ago, and there was a shot of Gibbs in a dark sportcoat. My brightness was set to 0. I paused the shot, and I noticed I could not see where the lapels started and main coat stopped. His arms were against his sides, and in fact, you couldn't see the line between his arms & his body. With the shot paused, I bumped the brightness to +1 and all those detail lines appeared. Then, I bumped to +2, and there was no additional detail, but the entire sportcoat got just slightly more gray. Brightness at +1 seems to be the magic number on my set. Earlier in this thread someone posted that their brightness was down at -9.......
post #693 of 1345
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Originally Posted by chucklee View Post

Like yourself, I do nnot really require the Smart Features; it is the Advanced Settings which allow fine-tuning color adjustments which make the 640 model superior for me.. without these adjustments, I would never have been able to calibrate the picture accurately, and would have returned it in frustration.

Totally agree. I actually went through exactly that: picked up the 600U, only to get shocked about lack of any color management and return it the very next day. They don't tell you this at any store and advertise it as "same as 640U only without the smart features", but the difference is far greater than that. Completely different story with the 640U. More than worth the small price difference...
post #694 of 1345
Unpacked the LCD last night and got a big disappointment.



The bottom-right led section was out and the one next to it was over bright. Tapping the corner made it flicker on/off. Back in the box and back to the store. Almost all the stores in the area were out, took a while to find one in stock. Thankfully this one seems ok at first glance. Time to start tweaking.
post #695 of 1345
I'm deciding between the 60"samsung 6100 and the sharp 640u. They are about $600 apart and seem similarly equipped. Am I missing something?
The samsung picture looks a little better in the best buys I've been to, but not $600 better.

Any experience with one vs the other would be welcome. thanks.
post #696 of 1345
Hey guys !

I downloaded the AVS HD 709 calibration suite.

Great product, easy to understand and well explained (i.e. HD Nation videos).

I can't get the COLOR and TINT settings right using my THX blue glasses on my Sharp LC-70LE640U.

I've also tried the THX Optimizer for COLOR and TINT, same failure.

Is this typical of LED LCDs ?

I ran the same test at my friends house last night and we could set these no problem on his plasma.

Any info might help ...

Thanks !
post #697 of 1345
Z mad... Can you post your current settings with all tweaks please?
post #698 of 1345
Hello everyone, I actually have the Sharp 60le640u and I have the exact question asked at the beginning of this thread regarding this units ability to output Dolby Digital 5.1 to external speakers. I just bought bose cinemate series ii system and I know it's DD and DD 5.1 capable. I have it connected to my tv via optical cable and I also went into the terminal settings on tv and changed it from PCM to Dolby Digital. I asked the question earlier on another thread and the consensus was the tv only used DD thru internal tuner but not externally. The sound coming from my bose speakers sound great and to me like dolby digital. I tested it out today by directly connecting the optical cable to ps3 to see if that would sound different and more apparent as DD. 5.1 but sounded the same but with lag between audio and picture so I switched it back. The language from the Manuel (posted by someone above ) suggests to me it DOES output DD and DD 5.1 to external speaker equipment. Has anyone else with this tv or anyone with knowledge on this issue come to any conclusions?
post #699 of 1345
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Originally Posted by Oldgregg99 View Post

Hello everyone, I actually have the Sharp 60le640u and I have the exact question asked at the beginning of this thread regarding this units ability to output Dolby Digital 5.1 to external speakers. I just bought bose cinemate series ii system and I know it's DD and DD 5.1 capable. I have it connected to my tv via optical cable and I also went into the terminal settings on tv and changed it from PCM to Dolby Digital. I asked the question earlier on another thread and the consensus was the tv only used DD thru internal tuner but not externally. The sound coming from my bose speakers sound great and to me like dolby digital. I tested it out today by directly connecting the optical cable to ps3 to see if that would sound different and more apparent as DD. 5.1 but sounded the same but with lag between audio and picture so I switched it back. The language from the Manuel (posted by someone above ) suggests to me it DOES output DD and DD 5.1 to external speaker equipment. Has anyone else with this tv or anyone with knowledge on this issue come to any conclusions?
I believe the Sharp and some Samsung models do not pass the DD 5.1 from HDMI to TV optical.
The TV will output DD 5.1 on the optical output on OTA/broadcast/cable content only if they provide the feed.
Here's a rant about this functionality. A Sharp owner replies near the end.
http://forums.cnet.com/7723-13973_102-328443/dolby-5-1-pass-through-from-hdmi-input-to-optical-output/
post #700 of 1345
Hello. I picked up the 70le600u last Friday thinking it was the 640u minus the smart features. When I first took it out the box it had a dark corner but went away with a tap on the back side near the corner. I think after reading here, I am taking it back for the 640u as the 600u has crappy picture adjustments and I the dark corner makes it defective
post #701 of 1345
i am getting a LC52LE640U i want to ask this sharp led is made in Japan or China ?
post #702 of 1345
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Originally Posted by xtc View Post

i am getting a LC52LE640U i want to ask this sharp led is made in Japan or China ?

Made in Mexico is what it says
post #703 of 1345
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Originally Posted by thrian View Post

Z mad... Can you post your current settings with all tweaks please?

Here you go... After resetting the CMS values and doing another run with some added calibration slides, still images and various content (still also using the Panny VT50 for reference), I am currently using these settings. Although the settings previously posted were already amazing on my set, I have given it another run in an effort to get each color tone as natural and accurate as possible. Nuances, but I think I was able to take the color accuracy yet another notch up. Feel free to try those and see how they turn out for you. As previously stated by me and others too, the settings do not always translate the same from one TV to another (also depending on your source), so you may or may not need to do some of your own tweaks to get everything to your liking... Hope this helps you...

AV MODE: GAME
OPC: Off
Backlight: STD
Contrast: +30
Brightness: 0
Color: +2
Tint: 0
Sharpness: +1

--Advanced sub-menu

C.M.S. -Hue
R: -6
Y: -2
G: -9
C: -13
B: -16
M: +10

C.M.S. -Saturation
R: -15
Y: -6
G: -18
C: 0
B: -9
M: -6

C.M.S. -Value
R: -4
Y: -6
G: +10
C: 0
B: +12
M: -2

Color Temp: Low
R Gain (LO): 0
G Gain (LO): +3
B Gain (LO): -7
R Gain (HI): -5
G Gain (HI): 0
B Gain (HI): -6

Motion Enhancement: [grayed out]
Active Contrast: Off
Gamma Adjustment: +2
Black Level: [grayed out]
Film Mode: [grayed out]
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Monochrome: Off
Range of OPC: [any]
post #704 of 1345
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Originally Posted by Z-Mad View Post

Here you go... After resetting the CMS values and doing another run with some added calibration slides, still images and various content (still also using the Panny VT50 for reference), I am currently using these settings. Although the settings previously posted were already amazing on my set, I have given it another run in an effort to get each color tone as natural and accurate as possible. Nuances, but I think I was able to take the color accuracy yet another notch up. Feel free to try those and see how they turn out for you. As previously stated by me and others too, the settings do not always translate the same from one TV to another (also depending on your source), so you may or may not need to do some of your own tweaks to get everything to your liking... Hope this helps you...

AV MODE: GAME
OPC: Off
Backlight: STD
Contrast: +30
Brightness: 0
Color: +2
Tint: 0
Sharpness: +1

--Advanced sub-menu

C.M.S. -Hue
R: -6
Y: -2
G: -9
C: -13
B: -16
M: +10

C.M.S. -Saturation
R: -15
Y: -6
G: -18
C: 0
B: -9
M: -6

C.M.S. -Value
R: -4
Y: -6
G: +10
C: 0
B: +12
M: -2

Color Temp: Low
R Gain (LO): 0
G Gain (LO): +3
B Gain (LO): -7
R Gain (HI): -5
G Gain (HI): 0
B Gain (HI): -6

Motion Enhancement: [grayed out]
Active Contrast: Off
Gamma Adjustment: +2
Black Level: [grayed out]
Film Mode: [grayed out]
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Monochrome: Off
Range of OPC: [any]

Tried these, for my set at least your last game settings are a better overall picture. Figured I would give you some feedback for your work. Thanks
post #705 of 1345
I just got the LC-60LE640U. Does anyone know if I can use an Apple TV with this TV? Will it interfere with the built-in wireless?
post #706 of 1345
If you don't like it, turn 120Hz off.
post #707 of 1345
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Originally Posted by cowwrangler View Post

I just got the LC-60LE640U. Does anyone know if I can use an Apple TV with this TV? Will it interfere with the built-in wireless?
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I also have the Sharp 60LE640u, what's your take on this unit being able to output DD 5.1 from the optical digital audio out to external 2.1 sound system?


Just looked at the tvs input terminal setting , choices are PCM or Dolby Digital...for dolby it says "to multichannel dolby digital audio system" this sounds encouraging
Edited by Oldgregg99 - 2/3/13 at 6:14pm
post #708 of 1345
I'm sorry I'm new to all this -- this is my first HDTV. My previous TV was a 19" non-HDTV.
post #709 of 1345
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Originally Posted by cowwrangler View Post

I just got the LC-60LE640U. Does anyone know if I can use an Apple TV with this TV? Will it interfere with the built-in wireless?

You can use your Apple TV with no issues, I use mine all the time
post #710 of 1345
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Originally Posted by txhambone View Post

@myoda - Thanks for the details and the link to the converter box. I might go that route in the future.




I had already setup the TV to pass DD5.1 from it's own tuner. From that I assumed it would also pass DD5.1 audio in from HDMI sources. That's rather unfortunate, I don't understand why the unit can't do it.


I read on (some other forums) that there is some negotiation via HDMI between the source and playback device about the playback device's capabilities and that most panels, including those from manufacturers other than Sharp, also have this problem.


That seems like a real short coming.


If we can configure this TV to output DD5.1 from its tuner, effectively telling the set that there is a DD5.1 capable device on the other end of the optical link, then the TV should inform it's HDMI connected devices that it is capable of playing back DD5.1 even if that means disabling on-board audio and passing the DD5.1 through the digital output to the off-board equipment. It seems silly that we have all these HDMI inputs on the set and it can't even MUX the audio streams at high quality. One discussion I read mentioned that this is done because the set may not be able to de-mux the DD5.1 stream down to its own two speakers. That doesn't make sense because the set still plays audio out its two built in speakers even when it outputs DD5.1 over the optical from its own tuner..... sigh.


I'll re-wire my digital audio later this week so my media player again goes direct to my receiver.


As an update to users who have this set, or one in the family of sets, Sharp released a firmware update today (April 10, 2012) called version "213U1203281". There is no mention of this firmware or release notes for it on the Sharp USA site. My set prompted me if if wanted to update to this version and I said yes.


From what I can tall all this firmware version does is remove the Blockbuster application from the set. I'm not sure if any of the Blockbuster rental service customers were interested in buying this TV but if you were you might think again.



Cheers,

--Adam

I have the sharp le640u and Just looked at the tvs input terminal setting , choices are PCM or Dolby Digital...for dolby it says "to multichannel dolby digital audio system" this sounds encouraging...as I have my bose cinemate connected to tv via optical...I hope the tv is passing DD 5.1...
post #711 of 1345
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Originally Posted by H8ter2 View Post

You can use your Apple TV with no issues, I use mine all the time

Thank you H8ter2! Did you have to turn off the internal WiFi (if there is a way)?
post #712 of 1345
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Originally Posted by cowwrangler View Post

Thank you H8ter2! Did you have to turn off the internal WiFi (if there is a way)?

No, since the Apple TV is hooked up to a HDMI port i just operate the Apple TV and it works like say a video game system the TV is only using the features of whats hooked up to that HDMI port, in order to use the wifi features of the TV I have to open the apps that use it, so say i am watching netflix on Apple TV instead of the wifi feature of the TV, I just go to HDMI 4 turn on my Apple TV and select netflix like normal and thats what the TV displays, I don't see any reason it would mess up or interfere with the wifi feature as long as the app center is closed as you can run multiple things using the same wifi without them interfering with each other, hope that answers your question
post #713 of 1345
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Originally Posted by H8ter2 View Post

Tried these, for my set at least your last game settings are a better overall picture. Figured I would give you some feedback for your work. Thanks

Sure, thanks for your feedback. Between different sets and personal preferences, I'm glad if these or the previous settings were helpful... Cheers biggrin.gif
post #714 of 1345
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Originally Posted by mccunersxve View Post

For those of you that don't like or use the 120Hz motion processing feature on this set, have you experienced what televisioninfo.com is reporting? ...

"The biggest offense is the motion processing on this unit. You have the option to watch film based content that is overly smooth with the 120Hz Fine Motion Enhanced feature on, or a super juddery picture with it off. Every now and again, the judder speeds up and looks interpolated, even with the motion processing off. This could be passable performance on a smaller television, but when the picture takes up most of the room, it’s hard not to notice a jerky video, followed by sections of super smoothness, only to return to jerkiness again. We could forgive poor color performance, but viewing this Sharp without the motion processing is very jarring."6.gif

The best picture mode to use with this TV is the "game" mode. It has all motion enhancement features grayed out/turned off by default and looks most natural without those issues described above. That's why most 640U owners calibrate the game mode for the best viewing experience... Especially if playing xbox 360 is one of your main uses, you will have to use the game mode anyway (not playable in any other mode).
post #715 of 1345
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Originally Posted by Eric290 View Post

No problem. I like how mine looks now, but I think I'm gonna stretch out those CMS settings toward your numbers again and see how it looks. I bet it will look a bit better since you're using a calibrated VT50 for comparison. I felt like I didn't want to make major CMS changes without actual calibration, since the color was looking really good with the small changes I made. Honestly, though, I'm not the best judge of color tones.

On my set, I did notice early on that Brightness set to 0 took away some shadow detail. I was watching NCIS a few weeks ago, and there was a shot of Gibbs in a dark sportcoat. My brightness was set to 0. I paused the shot, and I noticed I could not see where the lapels started and main coat stopped. His arms were against his sides, and in fact, you couldn't see the line between his arms & his body. With the shot paused, I bumped the brightness to +1 and all those detail lines appeared. Then, I bumped to +2, and there was no additional detail, but the entire sportcoat got just slightly more gray. Brightness at +1 seems to be the magic number on my set. Earlier in this thread someone posted that their brightness was down at -9.......

Yeah, don't necessarily be "afraid" of going a bit further from the "0" setting on the CMS, as the game mode especially needs quite a bit of tweaking to get to the color accuracy and the natural look. Since I have the reference calibrated picture to compare to, that's what I realized when matching those color tones. Actually, most of my CMS settings are within +/- 10 or +/-15 range and the range of adjustability is actually +/- 30, so...

I've been playing with brightness between 0 and +1 and settled on 0, since I prefer dark blacks and didn't notice any loss of detail in my case. But -9 on brightness definitely sounds way too low with guaranteed loss of detail in dark scenes...
post #716 of 1345
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Originally Posted by Z-Mad View Post

The best picture mode to use with this TV is the "game" mode. It has all motion enhancement features grayed out/turned off by default and looks most natural without those issues described above. That's why most 640U owners calibrate the game mode for the best viewing experience... Especially if playing xbox 360 is one of your main uses, you will have to use the game mode anyway (not playable in any other mode).

So you're suggesting use game mode viewing for all things, tv watching, movies, games? I have mine on default dynamic then switch to game or movie default depending in which I'm doing... Am I shortcoming myself picture quality?
post #717 of 1345
I bought the cheap 70le600u from hhvregg and thought I liked the set until the tremendous amount of motion blur in last night's super bowl. Also playing my xbox 360 even on game mode had ridiculous amounts of blur.

I'm taking the TV back but if I swap it for the 640u, will the lcd panel in that model be a better panel than what's in this budget 600u model?
post #718 of 1345
I just purchased the LC-60LE640U last week. The picture looked good out of the box which was set to Standard. I adjusted my settings to the ones recommended by CNET using the USER 1 mode and the picture looks FAB.

I did run into some lip sync problems with my 13 year old surround amp with no HDMI. Lip sync was off with surround on and coming from DVR or from blu ray. So had to purchase a new surround amp with HDMI and with auto and manual lip sync adjustments and that took care of the sync problem.

So far, very happy with the set after coming from a 2003 50 inch HD LCD rear projection unit that was still working but had only one HDMI to DVI video only input. Now very apparent how soft and dark an old rear projection can be compared to this Sharp.

I bought the set from retail HH Gregg ($1099) and I experienced very good customer service at the store and in the delivery.
post #719 of 1345
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Originally Posted by Oldgregg99 View Post

So you're suggesting use game mode viewing for all things, tv watching, movies, games? I have mine on default dynamic then switch to game or movie default depending in which I'm doing... Am I shortcoming myself picture quality?

While everyone has a personal preference regarding an image they enjoy watching I can tell you that Dynamic mode is not even remotely accurate. wink.gif

You may get lucky with settings from a different like model but generally speaking the only way to see your particular display reach its full potential is to have it properly calibrated (either DIY with the proper gear, an experienced enthusiast with the proper gear or a certified pro).

Also as I have stated previously, nobody can calibrate a display by eye, not even very experienced industry pros can do it and obtain truly accurate results.

With that said it is my opinion that Yes, you are "shortcoming yourself picture quality". wink.gif

Best of luck,
Jason
post #720 of 1345
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Originally Posted by dee zee View Post

I just purchased the LC-60LE640U last week. The picture looked good out of the box which was set to Standard. I adjusted my settings to the ones recommended by CNET using the USER 1 mode and the picture looks FAB.

I did run into some lip sync problems with my 13 year old surround amp with no HDMI. Lip sync was off with surround on and coming from DVR or from blu ray. So had to purchase a new surround amp with HDMI and with auto and manual lip sync adjustments and that took care of the sync problem.

So far, very happy with the set after coming from a 2003 50 inch HD LCD rear projection unit that was still working but had only one HDMI to DVI video only input. Now very apparent how soft and dark an old rear projection can be compared to this Sharp.

I bought the set from retail HH Gregg ($1099) and I experienced very good customer service at the store and in the delivery.


How's the set with motion blur? I thought my set was horrendous last night during the game. But I have the 600u version
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