Official 2012 Sharp LC-XXLE640U/XXC6400U - Page 29

Originally Posted by evening flyer 

SILVERFOX1 Re; post#596

I tried several of the settings suggested on this thread including CNet's( movie), Z=Mad's (Game) and the settings you posted( STD). I must say ,while all of the setting were a great improvement over,out of the box but, for watching generally all of the content available on this Sharp LC-60LE640U I liked your setting the best!!! I did dial down the film mode to 0 and I'm loving it!!!
I made no other adjustments in the advanced sub-menu (HUE,Saturation,or Value). I left them at the factory default. Did you make any other adjustments in the advanced sub-menu? The Sharp 640U is matching my 2008 Sony 52" KDL XBR4 perfectly. Thanks for posting your easy Setting!!! They work GREAT!

Originally Posted by Monte71 

@Moofi

The only way to get rid of the video lag is game mode with all motion enhancements off. I'm assuming you have an audio lag which is making it seem worse than it is. And for god's sake, put your brightness back to 0 or +1 and turn down the damn back light.

Originally Posted by Z-Mad 

I'd just be wary of the fact that out of the box CMS settings on all TV's are often largely inaccurate and need quite a bit of adjusting, otherwise your colors may be far from the true tones that they should be, which is one of the main aspects of any calibration. Just putting that out there if you're looking for the ultimate picture quality. BTW, not saying you need to use the settings that worked for me personally, just saying you might want to look into some CMS adjustments of your own to avoid inaccurate color tones. Anyway, whatever works for your enjoyment of the TV

Originally Posted by Z-Mad 

Ha ha, I have to agree! No offense to anyone's personal preference if that makes them enjoy their TV (by all means), but these in-store advertisement settings (or torch settings) create false perception of what a good quality picture is for many people. The whites are like looking directly at a bright flashlight rather than an actual white color on a TV screen (and then people wonder why they see so much clouding or blooming). The blacks are artificially dialed down for perception of deep blacks and high contrast rate, but they kill all dark details, etc (-9 on brightness definitely kills all of shadow detail). The picture shines like a torch, but actually looks very unnatural and actually "flat" by killing all detail. It certainly isn't what a good viewing setting or good PQ is (certainly no professional calibrator would ever adjust the picture that way).

Here is what I found as essential for good PQ on this TV (and what any calibration disc will lead to as well):

I found that "contrast" (the adjustment of whites) shouldn't really exceed +32 (+33 max), otherwise you'll start losing white details.
"Brightness" (the adjustment of blacks) shouldn't really go below zero (maybe -1 at the lowest depending on source), otherwise you loose the dark details. 0 or +1 seems the best setting.
Game mode is indeed the only good mode that has none of the awful motion enhancement and soap opera effects, as well as lag issues.
"Backlight" can be increased just a notch for a bit extra brightness, but not more than maybe +2 or +3 (leaving it at "STD" is actually fine).
Of course CMS and "Color" settings need tweaking for the proper color tone accuracy and color luminance.

This is what it really boils down to for getting good PQ on this TV, with maybe slight variations depending on the set and source, but I wouldn't expect much variation at all in terms of brightness, contrast and backlight for example...

Anyway, for what it's worth and hopefully helpful...

Originally Posted by evening flyer 

Hey Z-Mad ; Just one more question. Which A/V mode do you suggest for watching a movie from Netflix? Game mode is not available with a PC input, so I'm using user A/V mode with the same setting you had for the game mode. I turned the film mode off. Your thoughts please.

Originally Posted by dee zee 

And in case any new buyers don't know it, Sharp.com offers various type of warranty add ons. I extended my one year warranty to four years for $120. But I think you have to sign up within 30 days of purchase.

Originally Posted by evening flyer 

Hey Z-Mad ; Just one more question. Which A/V mode do you suggest for watching a movie from Netflix? Game mode is not available with a PC input, so I'm using user A/V mode with the same setting you had for the game mode. I turned the film mode off. Your thoughts please.

Originally Posted by leroy lee 

Wow, really??? I just paid $500 for warranty at hhvregg. Looks like I'll be cancelling since I'm still within my 30 days

Originally Posted by evening flyer 

... However, I would like to brighten the picture up just slightly. ( any suggestions?)

Originally Posted by Z-Mad 

$150 for 4 years sounds like a great deal. I would just suggest to check what exactly the extended warranty covers for $150. The more expensive ones from 3rd party cover basically everything, including dead pixels and just about anything that can possibly go wrong with the TV, including easy replacement in most cases unless there is an easy fix. The cheaper coverage may just extend some of the basic things. I of course wouldn't know for sure in this case, but between $150 and $500 I'd expect some differences in coverage... Just make sure you're getting the kind of coverage you actually aimed for...

Originally Posted by evening flyer 

Z-Mad; I have plenty of HDMI outlets on my Dell XPS. I would have to use a HDMI cable at least 35ft long. I'll check into the cost for such a long cable but,as I said earlier your settings for game mode still looks excellent to me on User Mode using the built in WIFI. However, I'm not very experienced when it comes to judging picture Quality but, your settings look really good to the wife and I.
So, I would really be looking forward to your thoughts if you find time, to try viewing the Sharp with the built in WIFI. Thank -you very much for the additional settings. They were just what I was looking for!

Originally Posted by Z-Mad 

Yeah, it's fun to play with the settings and watch the results, so certainly enjoy In terms of extra brightness and pop, try these if you like, as I bumped up some values for a bit of that extra pop while still maintaining all the details and colors):

AV MODE: GAME
OPC: Off
Backlight: +3
Contrast: +32
Brightness: 0
Color: +4
Tint: 0
Sharpness: +1

--Advanced sub-menu

C.M.S. -Hue
R: -9
Y: -2
G: +6
C: -13
B: -16
M: +10

C.M.S. -Saturation
R: -15
Y: -6
G: -18
C: 0
B: -9
M: -6

C.M.S. -Value
R: -4
Y: -3
G: +10
C: 0
B: +12
M: -2

Color Temp: Low
R Gain (LO): 0
G Gain (LO): +3
B Gain (LO): -7
R Gain (HI): -5
G Gain (HI): 0
B Gain (HI): -6

Originally Posted by evening flyer 

Z-Mad; I have plenty of HDMI outlets on my Dell XPS. I would have to use a HDMI cable at least 35ft long. I'll check into the cost for such a long cable but,as I said earlier your settings for game mode still looks excellent to me on User Mode using the built in WIFI. However, I'm not very experienced when it comes to judging picture Quality but, your settings look really good to the wife and I.
So, I would really be looking forward to your thoughts if you find time, to try viewing the Sharp with the built in WIFI. Thank -you very much for the additional settings. They were just what I was looking for!

Originally Posted by leroy lee 

I was already running your other sertings but tried these out and enjoyed these more. One thing I noticed is that in game mode, there tends to be a lot more motion blur than in any other setting. I also noticed this is only visible on dark scenes or anything with a dark color. Say a burgundy or brown jacket or shirt moving on the screen will have very noticeable motion blur when in motion. So I put these sertings into standard mode and turned film mode off and actually put motion enhancement to 120hz high and now that motion blur is almost non existent on the same scenes but no soap opera effect and still an awesome picture.

Originally Posted by GlocksRock 

Here are a couple 35ft. HDMI cables, not super cheap, but not too expensive considering the length.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1025005&p_id=6055&seq=1&format=2

http://www.firefold.com/35ft-HDMI-Cable-Ethernet-3D

But considering all that you can do with a pc hooked up to your tv, it's well worth it. VLC will play pretty much every format out there, and having a physical keyboard is also very nice.

You said you have plenty of HDMI outputs on your XPS, don't you mean you have plenty of USB outputs? I don't see why a PC would have more than one HDMI output.

Originally Posted by GlocksRock 

Here are a couple 35ft. HDMI cables, not super cheap, but not too expensive considering the length.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1025005&p_id=6055&seq=1&format=2

http://www.firefold.com/35ft-HDMI-Cable-Ethernet-3D

But considering all that you can do with a pc hooked up to your tv, it's well worth it. VLC will play pretty much every format out there, and having a physical keyboard is also very nice.

You said you have plenty of HDMI outputs on your XPS, don't you mean you have plenty of USB outputs? I don't see why a PC would have more than one HDMI output.

Originally Posted by esl1970 

While I use Netflix through my Xbox and so it is on the game mode, I have set up the user mode to mimic Z-Mad's game mode settings through USB as I use that all the time to watch stuff. I think the quality on the user mode is pretty much exactly like game mode.

Originally Posted by evening flyer 

Er.. yeah, your correct, I was thinking USB. Dud. I do have a empty DVI connection on the back of the tower. I'll try your suggestion, using a DVI to HDMI cable. Thanks for your links to the cables.
BTW, while doing some shopping at Target yesterday I just happened to pass through the electronics section and I notice the price on the Sharp LS-60LE640U was back up to $1,499.00. A few weeks ago the price had dropped to$1,199.00. I picked mine up at HH Gregg for $1,049.00 three weeks ago. I don't know why a 2012 set is back up close to the original price.

Originally Posted by vsg 

I've got my LC-70LE640U few weeks ago. Was reading this thread before and after the purchase. Got a lot of useful information. Now, I am generally happy with this TV, but it has few minor issues. And since I have just one week left for easy return, I want to see what everyone else thinks about these issues.

First, there is a diagonal line of light that is very noticeable on white and some other solid colors. Everyone in the family can see it in some commercials, when there is a smaller logo on a big solid background (for instance, Apple ads). Below are couple of screenshots. Taken with the phone, no processing.

Second, is bright clouding in two lower corners. Less noticeable than the first issue. Annoying in letterboxed (2.35:1) movies in dark environment. This one also taken with the phone, levels slightly adjusted.


I know that edge-lit LCD TVs have some limitations and clouding is expected. Is mine within a norm? And if I exchange this unit replacement could have similar or even worse problems. Or are these issues too much and I should return this TV?

Any feedback appreciated.

Originally Posted by leroy lee 

Zmad - update on my motion blur in game mode. I tested it last night. Watched end of watch on blu ray. Almost unwatchable in game mode even with your settings. The movie is a good way to show and dark scenes on game mode will have a tremendous amount of motion blur. Almost to the point that people almost disappear into shadows and dark shots altogether when fast motion is present.

But I noticed on standard mode or use mode with your settings with motion enhancement to high, and film mode on off, the motion blur was almost gone. Not completely but acceptable for an lcd.

But if u haven't seen end of watch, it's a good way to see the dark scenes blur/smearing going on. My 600u had this problem but due to its lsck of adjustments, I couldn't fix it. Thank god I swapped it out for the 640u

Oh, and no soap opera effect