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post #961 of 1345
New firmware is out, not sure if it's worth to upgrade



This firmware improves the performance of RS-232 polling commands.

This firmware also contains all previous fixes and enhancements.

LC80LE632UA and LC80LE632UB models must use this firmware version.

Version: 222U1302091

Date: 3/12/2013
post #962 of 1345
Just an FYI on the firmware upgrade, mine went very smooth and took only 2 min to complete. No problems like some of the previous ones I've read about here.
post #963 of 1345
I also applied it and all has been fine.
post #964 of 1345
Hey guys, have you ever seen something like that? the right side of my TV has two imperfections .... It is as if something has moved in between the panel and the screen??


post #965 of 1345
After I applied it, I had to increase the audio/sync lag timing for the DVR box input on my HT processor - it had been fine at around 45 ms, but I had to max it out at 85 ms; not sure if the new FW changed something, or if it was just a coincidental problem with my DVR output, but it is just barely in sync now (my processor does not have HDMI, so I can't set it up to automatically compensate for video lag).
post #966 of 1345
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Originally Posted by Brownv View Post

Hey guys, have you ever seen something like that? the right side of my TV has two imperfections .... It is as if something has moved in between the panel and the screen??


Which aspect ratio are you using? If it's "1:1" aspect, the deformation along the edge could potentially be from your source and not necessarily from the TV, but can't say for sure. Check a few aspect settings, change it to "stretch" or "zoom", which would overscan the viewable area of your screen, and see if you still see the same imperfection along the side. If so, then I'd say it's a panel uniformity issue (or something with those pixels along the edge) and you should exchange the TV. If the deformation disappears, then it's not the TV but somehow your source, so you just can't use "1:1" and have to go with "stretch". Good luck!
post #967 of 1345
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Originally Posted by chucklee View Post

After I applied it, I had to increase the audio/sync lag timing for the DVR box input on my HT processor - it had been fine at around 45 ms, but I had to max it out at 85 ms; not sure if the new FW changed something, or if it was just a coincidental problem with my DVR output, but it is just barely in sync now (my processor does not have HDMI, so I can't set it up to automatically compensate for video lag).

I didn't look into the audio issues myself, since I use GAME mode, but on the positive note, I thought that the motion smoothness got a tiny bit better with the 120Hz entrancement feature. It still has some of that artificial motion feel at times, but it somehow feels as if it's just a bit better and smoother than I remember it before the firmware update. Again, I normally use the GAME mode, so I haven't been watching the 120Hz motion enhancement regularly, so I am not sure if I am just imagining it. Anyone noticed anything similar?
post #968 of 1345
I notice a difference as well. Looks much better to me! To me things just looks a little crisper overall!
post #969 of 1345
I have a LC-60C6400U and decided to calibrate it using my Disney WOW calibration Blu-Ray. I took Z-Mad's recommended settings on post #942 and used it as a baseline. His settings worked fairly well, but many of the colors were way off when using the PLUGE color pattern with the blue light filter. Here are my current settings. I have marked items in bold that I changed:

AV MODE: STANDARD
OPC: Off
Backlight: +4
Contrast: +30
Brightness: +2
Color: +4
Tint: 0
Sharpness: +1

--Advanced sub-menu

C.M.S. -Hue
R: -8
Y: +9
G: -3
C: -15
B: +6
M: +10

C.M.S. -Saturation
R: -23
Y: +2
G: 0
C: +3
B: -3
M: -2

C.M.S. -Value
R: -8
Y: -3
G: +4
C: 0
B: +17
M: -2

Color Temp: Low
R Gain (LO): 0
G Gain (LO): +3
B Gain (LO): -7
R Gain (HI): -6
G Gain (HI): 0
B Gain (HI): -6

Motion Enhancement: AquoMotion 240Hz
Active Contrast: Off
Gamma Adjustment: +2
Black Level: [grayed out]
Film Mode: Advanced +1
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Monochrome: Off
Range of OPC: [any]
post #970 of 1345
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Originally Posted by Z-Mad View Post

Which aspect ratio are you using? If it's "1:1" aspect, the deformation along the edge could potentially be from your source and not necessarily from the TV, but can't say for sure. Check a few aspect settings, change it to "stretch" or "zoom", which would overscan the viewable area of your screen, and see if you still see the same imperfection along the side. If so, then I'd say it's a panel uniformity issue (or something with those pixels along the edge) and you should exchange the TV. If the deformation disappears, then it's not the TV but somehow your source, so you just can't use "1:1" and have to go with "stretch". Good luck!

It's on every aspect, cable, BR, PC, etc
post #971 of 1345
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Originally Posted by lltj View Post

I know I'm a new member but I have often come here to find recommended TV settings. I want to share the settings I've got on my TV (LC-60c6400U. I know everyone has there own personal preferences and I'm just sharing mine. Maybe it can help someone. Try them out and let me know what you think. I have a generally bright room but often watch TV late at night. I find these settings to be a good balance. I use the "user" AV Mode.



Very interesting. I'm no expert but,the picture looks quite cool. Very lively, quite sharp, enjoyable viewing. I'm very satisfied with Z-Mad's latest settings on Standard A/V but I'll watch your settings on user mode and report back. All of you guys do a great job tweaking the picture.smile.gif
post #972 of 1345
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Originally Posted by the3kgt2 View Post

I have a LC-60C6400U and decided to calibrate it using my Disney WOW calibration Blu-Ray.


I have the LC-60LE640U. It doesn't have 240 Hz. What's the difference between the two TVs?
post #973 of 1345
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Originally Posted by evening flyer View Post

I have the LC-60LE640U. It doesn't have 240 Hz. What's the difference between the two TVs?

The only difference is the 240Hz AquoMotion. Other than that it's the same TV.
post #974 of 1345
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Originally Posted by the3kgt2 View Post

I have a LC-60C6400U and decided to calibrate it using my Disney WOW calibration Blu-Ray. I took Z-Mad's recommended settings on post #942 and used it as a baseline. His settings worked fairly well, but many of the colors were way off when using the PLUGE color pattern with the blue light filter. Here are my current settings. I have marked items in bold that I changed:

Tried your adjustments. I was curious how much difference it might make, since I was pleased with my last settings and wasn't really able to find ways for noticeable improvements any more. Granted, as I was saying I did not have pro equipment (which WOW Disc isn't either), but I did have Calman calibration patterns and a pro calibrated reference set to go by. At least on my set, your adjustments unfortunately did not work at all. Green and yellow turned so strong and luminant that they practically looked fluorescent and nothing like they look on my pro calibrated reference set. The natural and accurate color look was lost, and I had to revert to my last settings.

Now, this is not to say that your set may not be different. After all, it is a 6400 model, and although they are basically the same, there are still some hardware differences (240 Hz) etc. I'm sure my settings didn't translate perfectly on all sets either, since some variance exists even between sets of the exact same model. So maybe your settings may work for some of the sets out there, and thanks for sharing smile.gif Like myself, I'm glad to see people willing to share, which might help some people with their picture settings, or at least give them a good starting point.

Cheers biggrin.gif
post #975 of 1345
I was using z-mad's settings on my 640u but with the latest changes in #942 things seem washed out. I tried the3kgt2's settings and they look quite good on my 640u. I don't have the problem mentioned by z-mad on green and yellow. Probably a difference in the models or sets. Thanks for everyone's help.
post #976 of 1345
I agree that every set is different. Even the exact same model manufactured on the same date might have color variations. That's the point of calibrating your set...no two sets are the exact same. I'm surprised, however, that there is so much variation between my set and Z-Mad's set, to the point that it's painful to the eye when trying each other's settings. I would believe that large TV manufactures have to resort to using some slightly different internals to keep up with manufacturing demand, which can cause variations.

Keep in mind that I am new to calibrating and as Z-Mad mentioned, Disney's WOW is a great tool but isn't professional equipment. It will get you pretty darn close though.

*Edit: Also be aware that the source can alter your calibration too. My video source is a custom Windows Media Center HTPC using Arcsoft TMT6 with an AMD video card with most driver color/video settings disabled. If your main video source is a standard blu-ray player or DVR box then your colors may appear different because it's a different video source. You should calibrate your TV using whatever video source you use the most.
Edited by the3kgt2 - 3/16/13 at 10:04am
post #977 of 1345
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Originally Posted by fendesj View Post

I was using z-mad's settings on my 640u but with the latest changes in #942 things seem washed out. I tried the3kgt2's settings and they look quite good on my 640u. I don't have the problem mentioned by z-mad on green and yellow. Probably a difference in the models or sets. Thanks for everyone's help.

I tried his changes too but found the green and yellow too strong that it made the picture lose depth. I remember reading reviews on this tv set saying that the picture looks flat. However i have found that z mads settings make certain shots almost look 3d without the glasses lol especially on the Life documentary on blu ray. It did take me a while to adjust though it looked faded at first but only because i was used to the colours being too bright but now with these settings i find the colours are so much more realistic! The only thing i could say now after a few days of my tv set this way is that the reds and greens are slightly faded but I dont wanna tweak anything and mess the whole thing up lol. The only reason i say that is because on Life it shows a shot of a couple of red eyed tree frogs and i have those frogs as pets so i know what colour they should be lol and found they didnt look green enough and their eyes red enough in the shot but it could have just been the footage on the blu ray i dont know.
post #978 of 1345
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Originally Posted by the3kgt2 View Post

I agree that every set is different. Even the exact same model manufactured on the same date might have color variations. That's the point of calibrating your set...no two sets are the exact same. I'm surprised, however, that there is so much variation between my set and Z-Mad's set, to the point that it's painful to the eye when trying each other's settings. I would believe that large TV manufactures have to resort to using some slightly different internals to keep up with manufacturing demand, which can cause variations.

Keep in mind that I am new to calibrating and as Z-Mad mentioned, Disney's WOW is a great tool but isn't professional equipment. It will get you pretty darn close though.

*Edit: Also be aware that the source can alter your calibration too. My video source is a custom Windows Media Center HTPC using Arcsoft TMT6 with an AMD video card with most driver color/video settings disabled. If your main video source is a standard blu-ray player or DVR box then your colors may appear different because it's a different video source. You should calibrate your TV using whatever video source you use the most.

You know, I had a similar experience of being surprised by how much different the same settings can translate between sets. Chucklee and I had a discussion on that once too. But after a while I came to realize that that's just how it is, and there are sometimes indeed quite large differences between sets. The main difference that seems to have revealed itself within this forum is indeed in the color luminance. There are builds out there with strong luminance that needs to be taken down a bit to get to the natural look of the colors, while this doen't seem to be necessary on some other sets where the result could look washed out.The difference between your and my set just confirms that. You need more luminance particularly on green and yellow (my other settings seem to have worked fine on your set), whereas that translates to completely overpowering green and yellow brightness on my set to the point that detail is lost and they bleed into each other with fluorescence.

Anyway, that's why I always welcome people to indeed tweak to their liking or as needed on their particular set (as you have done), unless the settings happen to translate that good that they don't need tweaking.

Btw, just FYI on how I arrived at my settings since you just joined: I also use a direct input over a media center with AMD card for generating the Calman calibration patterns. The Calman calibration pattern generator creates 10 point gray-scale patterns, and color scales allowing to check every color in 10% increments (from 10% green to 100% green, etc.) Then I use a verity of content to test the settings: still images, movies, sport channels, specifically chosen content to check if the nature shots indeed look natural (and the green grass looks as if I am watching it from outside my window and not shrill nor washed out), etc.So similar to what WOW disc does too. And on top of that, I compare it all to my pro calibrated Panasonic VT50, the reference TV of all pro calibrators with the best picture on the market today.
post #979 of 1345
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Originally Posted by andaroo View Post

I tried his changes too but found the green and yellow too strong that it made the picture lose depth. I remember reading reviews on this tv set saying that the picture looks flat. However i have found that z mads settings make certain shots almost look 3d without the glasses lol especially on the Life documentary on blu ray. It did take me a while to adjust though it looked faded at first but only because i was used to the colours being too bright but now with these settings i find the colours are so much more realistic! The only thing i could say now after a few days of my tv set this way is that the reds and greens are slightly faded but I dont wanna tweak anything and mess the whole thing up lol. The only reason i say that is because on Life it shows a shot of a couple of red eyed tree frogs and i have those frogs as pets so i know what colour they should be lol and found they didnt look green enough and their eyes red enough in the shot but it could have just been the footage on the blu ray i dont know.

Hey andaroo, reading your observation of red and greens on those frogs smile.gif , on your set maybe you may want to try to raise the saturation of red and green just a bit. If you feel like playing with the settings a bit, I'd suggest to take that shot of the frogs and then go to C.M.S. Saturation and raise the green from -21 to -20, or -19 and see if you start getting closer to the proper amount of green on the frog. Same with red for the eyes. Just be careful that it isn't indeed just that shot that was taken with less color (or that the frogs on Life had a flu and were a bit faded that day, lol), so then when you switch back to other content, suddenly you have too much green or too much red biggrin.gif Content and sources will vary too of course...But it doesn't hurt to try and raise the saturation values a bit and see. If it doesn't work out, you can always go back to the original settings. Good luck smile.gif
post #980 of 1345
Z-mad - not sure if you remember me saying earlier that I was getting severe motion blur on game mode. I think in know why, my digital noise reduction was set to high. I thought it was off. Wow what a difference. I guess with it high, the picture is trying to over compensate to reduce noise but also reduces the refresh rate of some sorts. Turned it to off and man what a difference. So to anyone here who made gjt be suffering blur in game mode, make sure digital noise reduction is off
post #981 of 1345
I finally got my 70'' 6400 Setup and it's awesome. Put in ZMADS settings and everything looks great. Skin tones were definitely a little orangeish beforehand.

One question

My TV is set to 1080i - what is the difference to 1080p?

I am using a denon 1913 and xbox360.

Can not figure out how to set the tv to 1080p!
post #982 of 1345
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Originally Posted by soundwhat View Post

I finally got my 70'' 6400 Setup and it's awesome. Put in ZMADS settings and everything looks great. Skin tones were definitely a little orangeish beforehand.

One question

My TV is set to 1080i - what is the difference to 1080p?

I am using a denon 1913 and xbox360.

Can not figure out how to set the tv to 1080p!

If your xbox only has VGA or component output then you can't do 1080p, only 1080i. If your xbox has HDMI then you can do 1080p.
post #983 of 1345
Actually with VGA you can output 1080p with Xbox. Just not with composite or component I believe.
post #984 of 1345
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Originally Posted by soundwhat View Post

I finally got my 70'' 6400 Setup and it's awesome. Put in ZMADS settings and everything looks great. Skin tones were definitely a little orangeish beforehand.

One question

My TV is set to 1080i - what is the difference to 1080p?

I am using a denon 1913 and xbox360.

Can not figure out how to set the tv to 1080p!


The TV is automatically gonna output 1080p content only when u feed it 1080p content.
post #985 of 1345
my xbox is 1080p.

When I watch dish network on the hopper everything is 1080i...Why? Can I make it 1080P?

I will check blu ray and see what it does then shortly.
post #986 of 1345
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Originally Posted by soundwhat View Post

my xbox is 1080p.

When I watch dish network on the hopper everything is 1080i...Why? Can I make it 1080P?

I will check blu ray and see what it does then shortly.

That's because dish doesnt broadcast at 1080p. Only a select few of channels on direct TV ad 1080p and I'm not sure Comcast broadcast in 1080p either.
post #987 of 1345
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Originally Posted by leroy lee View Post

Z-mad - not sure if you remember me saying earlier that I was getting severe motion blur on game mode. I think in know why, my digital noise reduction was set to high. I thought it was off. Wow what a difference. I guess with it high, the picture is trying to over compensate to reduce noise but also reduces the refresh rate of some sorts. Turned it to off and man what a difference. So to anyone here who made gjt be suffering blur in game mode, make sure digital noise reduction is off

Hey leroy lee, yep I remember you saying that. I was wondering a bit why you would be noticing it so "extremely", but figured maybe that's how your set and source were setup. Yeah, I can imagine how the DNR would overemphasize the blur. Good that you spotted that smile.gif Hope you can enjoy the game mode much better now too...
post #988 of 1345
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Originally Posted by soundwhat View Post

I finally got my 70'' 6400 Setup and it's awesome. Put in ZMADS settings and everything looks great. Skin tones were definitely a little orangeish beforehand.

One question

My TV is set to 1080i - what is the difference to 1080p?

I am using a denon 1913 and xbox360.

Can not figure out how to set the tv to 1080p!

Quote from CNET's article that explains the difference well:
"1080i, the former king of the HDTV hill, actually boasts an identical 1,920x1,080 resolution but conveys the images in an interlaced format (the i in 1080i). In a tube-based television, otherwise known as a CRT, 1080i sources get "painted" on the screen sequentially: the odd-numbered lines of resolution appear on your screen first, followed by the even-numbered lines--all within 1/30 of a second. Progressive-scan formats such as 480p, 720p, and 1080p convey all of the lines of resolution sequentially in a single pass, which makes for a smoother, cleaner image, especially with sports and other motion-intensive content."

TV broadcasts in HD are still all in 1080i, so you'll always get 1080i with any type of "cable box" or direcTV. 1080p you get only from sources like xbox and bluray. Sometimes you have to go into settings of the source device and set it to 1080p...
post #989 of 1345
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Originally Posted by Z-Mad View Post

Quote from CNET's article that explains the difference well:
"1080i, the former king of the HDTV hill, actually boasts an identical 1,920x1,080 resolution but conveys the images in an interlaced format (the i in 1080i). In a tube-based television, otherwise known as a CRT, 1080i sources get "painted" on the screen sequentially: the odd-numbered lines of resolution appear on your screen first, followed by the even-numbered lines--all within 1/30 of a second. Progressive-scan formats such as 480p, 720p, and 1080p convey all of the lines of resolution sequentially in a single pass, which makes for a smoother, cleaner image, especially with sports and other motion-intensive content."

TV broadcasts in HD are still all in 1080i, so you'll always get 1080i with any type of "cable box" or direcTV. 1080p you get only from sources like xbox and bluray. Sometimes you have to go into settings of the source device and set it to 1080p...

Directv offers 1080p broadcast through their pay per view services. You need a special box to receive them as I can not order them with my standard HD box but it is offered. Not many channels are broadcast in it though.
post #990 of 1345
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Originally Posted by leroy lee View Post

Directv offers 1080p broadcast through their pay per view services. You need a special box to receive them as I can not order them with my standard HD box but it is offered. Not many channels are broadcast in it though.

Yeah, that was my understanding that there is some on-demand content out there that you can get in 1080p (like vudu for example), but it is indeed still limited. Hopefully 1080p becomes the broadcasting standard one of these days...
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