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post #10051 of 16129
Henryoh , There's a reason a good pro calibration cost 300-400 dollars.
post #10052 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

Henryoh , There's a reason a good pro calibration cost 300-400 dollars.

I am sorry, I don't follow your comment. I wasn't inquiring as to how much pro calibration costs. I wasn't questioning their value or stating that they were over priced. I wasn't looking for any of the reasons why pro calibrations aren't free. What was your point? Are you suggesting that rank amatuers shouldn't do this and they should simply be paying the experts? That wouldn't make for much of a hobby. Were you suggesting that I shouldn't attempt to learn a new skill? If so, thank you for your opinion I will file it appropriately.
post #10053 of 16129
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Originally Posted by gamermwm View Post

I figured as much. You are never supposed to set it to Manual, unless you are converting something from 2D to 3D. Films are mastered with people/objects at a certain depth/distance in 3D and what you are probably doing is pushing the image to the point of crosstalk. Only use the default settings when watching a 3D movie

Here are the default settings:

3D Effect: Auto
L/R Change: L/R Image
3D-2D: Off (greyed out)
3D Optimize: 0

Make sure the default 3D settings for depth etc. have not changed in your bluray player as well. Also, I've seen that some Samsung bluray players can further screw things up if you happen to accidently hit the 2D-3D button on your bluray remote. Hope this helps

Have Samsung Es8000 exchange number 7 now here. Hoping the 3d issue is something simple as glasses weren't fully charged or something. But first need to get one that does not have dead pixels. Could 5 out of 7 es8000s really come with dead pixels out of the box. I'd that even statistically possible? Got from different BB as well with this one. We shall see:eek:
post #10054 of 16129
It's really disappointing to hear of so many problems with what is supposed to be the "premium" LCD offerings. Makes me think that anyone who gives a darn about picture quality should be given the opportunity to see the panel in action before paying for it.
post #10055 of 16129
I was just thinking how great it is that cmay is receiving this level of customer service....
post #10056 of 16129
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Originally Posted by henryoh View Post

I was just thinking how great it is that cmay is receiving this level of customer service....

No complaints in regards to that aspect of BB. They have been nothing short of amazing in understanding and continuing to exchange no questions asked. BB delivery on the other hand......
post #10057 of 16129
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It's really disappointing to hear of so many problems with what is supposed to be the "premium" LCD offerings. Makes me think that anyone who gives a darn about picture quality should be given the opportunity to see the panel in action before paying for it.

+1

Between this forum, the Panasonic buzzing threads and the hx950 thread which is supposed to be Sony's flagship, it seems quality control for many of the manufacturers is nonexistent. I guess the bean counters for these companies determined its cheaper to cut quality control then to deal with so many returns from disappointed customers. I guess they figure the majority of the buying public dont realize their panels aren't supposed to have dead pixels, excessive banding, plasma buzz etc.
post #10058 of 16129
I am all for it. If cutting back on quality and simply replacing panels is indeed the cheapest way of getting me this panel for around 2k$, keep it comin'...
post #10059 of 16129
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Originally Posted by henryoh View Post

I am all for it. If cutting back on quality and simply replacing panels is indeed the cheapest way of getting me this panel for around 2k$, keep it comin'...

You are the exact type of buyer these manufacturers love. Buyers who will accept flawed products for a cheaper price. Unfortunately, I have a feeling you are the majority and a buyer like me is the minority. I would gladly pay more if it meant avoiding having to deal with dead pixels on 4 of 6 es8000s so far and noticeable vertical banding on another.
post #10060 of 16129
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

You are the exact type of buyer these manufacturers love.

I've said that before. smile.gif
post #10061 of 16129
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

It was set to Manuel, but I tried both auto and Manuel with no success.

I just thought of something. Can Auto Motion Plus be on during 3D and effect it? What was AMP set to if you can remember?
post #10062 of 16129
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

You are the exact type of buyer these manufacturers love. Buyers who will accept flawed products for a cheaper price. Unfortunately, I have a feeling you are the majority and a buyer like me is the minority. I would gladly pay more if it meant avoiding having to deal with dead pixels on 4 of 6 es8000s so far and noticeable vertical banding on another.

Why does it strike you gentlemen as bad that the manufacturers are serving the needs of the bulk of humanity? Why the negative tone that accuses me of being the buyer the manufacturers love and the insinuation that I would accept a flawed product? I don't accept a flawed product for a cheaper price, I like that I can access a product for a price I can afford and if it isn't up to snuff that I can exchange it for one that isn't flawed.

IF we went the other route that all panels were delivered to all of us perfect every time the first time most of us wouldn't be buying them, Bill Gates would.
post #10063 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Garnoch View Post

I just thought of something. Can Auto Motion Plus be on during 3D and effect it? What was AMP set to if you can remember?

Well to my relief, tonight's exchange may have finally paid off. Zero dead pixels, no visible banding, minimal flashlighting, and the 3d works with very minor crosstalk, so there was definitely something wrong with the previous two in regards to 3d since I didn't do anything different with this one.

I'll see how everything goes once I start actually watching regular material and not just test material.

Relief is the best way to describe if.

However, in the end 4 out of 7 with dead pixels, a 65 with vertical banding and 2 60s with something malfunctioning in regards to 3d is totally unacceptable. That being said, the only blessing in disguise is that from when I first switched from the VT50 to the 65es8000, the price of the 60 had dropped over $900 so I guess I have to try to look at positives.

Still really want a 65, so will tuck that 900 away and look to get an 65f8000 at this time next year if noticeable vertical banding is corrected next year and the price drops on these sets similar to what they did this year.
post #10064 of 16129
Sounds like an idyllic outcome.
post #10065 of 16129
I shudder to imagine what things are going to be like in 2-3 years when 80-100 inch panels will be the norm. Imagine a dead pixel then !! I'm going projector this year, had enough of the crap LCD quality control. The ES8000 will be a TV, the projector will be for film.
post #10066 of 16129
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

You are the exact type of buyer these manufacturers love. Buyers who will accept flawed products for a cheaper price. Unfortunately, I have a feeling you are the majority and a buyer like me is the minority. I would gladly pay more if it meant avoiding having to deal with dead pixels on 4 of 6 es8000s so far and noticeable vertical banding on another.
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Originally Posted by henryoh View Post

Why does it strike you gentlemen as bad that the manufacturers are serving the needs of the bulk of humanity? Why the negative tone that accuses me of being the buyer the manufacturers love and the insinuation that I would accept a flawed product? I don't accept a flawed product for a cheaper price, I like that I can access a product for a price I can afford and if it isn't up to snuff that I can exchange it for one that isn't flawed.

IF we went the other route that all panels were delivered to all of us perfect every time the first time most of us wouldn't be buying them, Bill Gates would.

We all have different options, different priorities and different choices.

In my case, I wanted a VT50. But here in Hong Kong, it is 2 to 3 times the price of US. And if it would have buzzing, IR or low light output like in Europe, it would be money down the drain.
Then there is the Wife Factor. Said our 6year old Sony is just doing fine.

When I saw a 55ES8000 shop display with a strongly reduced price, Wife Factor was eliminated. (Not the Wife).

Now I have a 55ES8000 with flashlighting. Still better than the old Sony which was like a lighthouse when displaying black. Tolerable with my calibration of post 8007.

Wife happy. Me happy (for a while).
Edited by turboman123 - 1/14/13 at 3:01am
post #10067 of 16129
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

You are the exact type of buyer these manufacturers love. Buyers who will accept flawed products for a cheaper price. Unfortunately, I have a feeling you are the majority and a buyer like me is the minority. I would gladly pay more if it meant avoiding having to deal with dead pixels on 4 of 6 es8000s so far and noticeable vertical banding on another.

Seems pretty much like GTM to me..
post #10068 of 16129
Hey turboman123, can you do exchanges for returns in hong kong?

My wife also said that she couldnt tell difference in picture quality from or five year old sony xbr 4 to the es8000 lol.
post #10069 of 16129
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

Well to my relief, tonight's exchange may have finally paid off. Zero dead pixels, no visible banding, minimal flashlighting, and the 3d works with very minor crosstalk, so there was definitely something wrong with the previous two in regards to 3d since I didn't do anything different with this one.

I'll see how everything goes once I start actually watching regular material and not just test material.

Relief is the best way to describe if.

However, in the end 4 out of 7 with dead pixels, a 65 with vertical banding and 2 60s with something malfunctioning in regards to 3d is totally unacceptable. That being said, the only blessing in disguise is that from when I first switched from the VT50 to the 65es8000, the price of the 60 had dropped over $900 so I guess I have to try to look at positives.

Still really want a 65, so will tuck that 900 away and look to get an 65f8000 at this time next year if noticeable vertical banding is corrected next year and the price drops on these sets similar to what they did this year.

Awesome...I unfortunately know the feeling.

I'm glad you finally got what you wanted.
post #10070 of 16129
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

So picked up the replacement 60ES8000 last night. No dead pixels, minimal banding, minimal flashlighting..... however, the 3D on this display has an unusual amount of crosstalk on almost every shot compared to the 65ES8000 which had none whatsoever. Is the 3D inferior on the 60 or inferior on an HS01 panel compared to an HS02 panel? All of the 65s I had were MH02s. Is this yet another defective TV or am I missing something or need to adjust something?

Did some more testing..... problem seems to be that even though 3D is activated, and picture is in 3D, either the left or right side image is still prominently displayed creating a double image/massive crosstalk on any part of the image in the foreground or far background. Glasses are fine as they are the same ones I used for the 65ES8000, and using the same Bluray OPPO 103. Readjusted screen size in OPPO to suit the 60, but problem still exists. There is no way the 3D can be this bad on the 60, so I'm assuming there is something wrong with the set. Perhaps transporting it laying down face up broke something in the TV?
If I were you I would get my money back and not get another ES8000. There is no way I would ever exchange 6 TVs. IMO you will not be happy with this model of TV. Try something else. If you were happy with your plasma I would get another one of those. Some people who were happy plasma owners will never be happy with a TV like this. And some people become almost pathologically chained to testing and finding out various "flaws" in the TV compared to other TVs that they liked better.
post #10071 of 16129
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Originally Posted by PiratesCove View Post

Awesome...I unfortunately know the feeling.

I'm glad you finally got what you wanted.

Thx, definitely glad I gave it one more try. Tested all the 3d scenes I mentioned in previous posts and they all passed with flying colors. Even watched the first half of Frankenweenie which would have been impossible on the 65 that I had due to the
Monochromatic colors of the movie.
post #10072 of 16129
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Originally Posted by scJohn View Post

I purchased the kit from the link provided. If I had to do it over again I would go with a special order and go with a dimmer. These lights are bright and a dimmer will give you control over the light output. I might go back and order a dimmer and swap it out for the switch that came with the kit.

Dimmer available separately for $20.00. Since the lights are bright, I ordered a 36" strip with a dimmer. This will fit nicely on the back of my 65" Sammy without interfering with any of the cables. According to G. Alan Brown of Cinemaquest -

5. The brightness of the reflected illumination should be 10% or less of the brightest white the monitor is adjusted to (calibrated for a dark environment).
6. Surrounding surfaces within the observer's field of view of the monitor screen should be neutral in color (gray to white), see: Munsell Color Order System's neutral value scale.
7. Completely surrounding the monitor screen with illumination is not necessary to realize the principle benefits of the technique.

So here's hoping that I have enough light to generate 10% or less of the "brightest white" the monitor is adjusted to. If not, I can always order another strip of lights. The Cinemaquest solution looked bulky to me. And I wasn't enthralled with using "ties" to anchor the bulky bulb and housing to the back of the TV - - since it's such a delicate panel to begin with.

I'll post the results for any of you interested in bias lighting for our Sammy sets.
post #10073 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Ricoflashback View Post

Dimmer available separately for $20.00. Since the lights are bright, I ordered a 36" strip with a dimmer. This will fit nicely on the back of my 65" Sammy without interfering with any of the cables. According to G. Alan Brown of Cinemaquest -

5. The brightness of the reflected illumination should be 10% or less of the brightest white the monitor is adjusted to (calibrated for a dark environment).
6. Surrounding surfaces within the observer's field of view of the monitor screen should be neutral in color (gray to white), see: Munsell Color Order System's neutral value scale.
7. Completely surrounding the monitor screen with illumination is not necessary to realize the principle benefits of the technique.

So here's hoping that I have enough light to generate 10% or less of the "brightest white" the monitor is adjusted to. If not, I can always order another strip of lights. The Cinemaquest solution looked bulky to me. And I wasn't enthralled with using "ties" to anchor the bulky bulb and housing to the back of the TV - - since it's such a delicate panel to begin with.

I'll post the results for any of you interested in bias lighting for our Sammy sets.


I was too lazy to try to rig a back light system behind the panel, so instead I went and picked up two of these when I was at Staples. Have them hidden behind the left and right tower speakers and seems to work just as well as the professionally mounted set up my father has in his home theater.

http://www.staples.com/V-Light-Full-Spectrum-Fluorescent-Desk-Lamp-Black/product_850796?cid=PS:GooglePLAs:850796&KPID=850796
post #10074 of 16129
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Originally Posted by cmay91472 View Post

I was too lazy to try to rig a back light system behind the panel, so instead I went and picked up two of these when I was at Staples. Have them hidden behind the left and right tower speakers and seems to work just as well as the professionally mounted set up my father has in his home theater.

http://www.staples.com/V-Light-Full-Spectrum-Fluorescent-Desk-Lamp-Black/product_850796?cid=PS:GooglePLAs:850796&KPID=850796

First of all - - very, very glad that you finally got what you wanted! Congrats!

BUT...I am shocked at your choice of bias lighting. Especially for someone with such a keen eye and a stickler for details. I would have thought that your bias lighting would be perfectly calibrated - to a one hundredth of a degree specification to the 10% percent rule...

Just kidding. LOL - - whatever works!
post #10075 of 16129
Well my es8000 has not powered off and back on again for weeks now. It was turning off and on randomly. I am glad. My 2007 sammy lcd does it frequently.
post #10076 of 16129
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Originally Posted by Bolt989 View Post

Well my es8000 has not powered off and back on again for weeks now. It was turning off and on randomly. I am glad. My 2007 sammy lcd does it frequently.

Just curious.... Are you using a power strip? I have heard of this happening from bad power strip. It can also happen from a faulty or loose outlet ground wire.
post #10077 of 16129
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Originally Posted by badabing View Post

Just curious.... Are you using a power strip? I have heard of this happening from bad power strip. It can also happen from a faulty or loose outlet ground wire.

Using a monster power conditioner. The only thing I did was power cycled it and it hasn't happened after that.
post #10078 of 16129
Congrats, Cmay. That 3D issue was crazy to hear about.
post #10079 of 16129
Is anyone having an issue where the "Smart Hub" screen will flicker into a show when watching TV? I noticed this after leaving the TV off for about a week. I've only has my 60es8000 for 2 months. When I'm watching TiVo. During a show I have noticed three times now in 2 days the Smart Hub screen will quickly flicker in and then disappear,
post #10080 of 16129
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Originally Posted by shaunclover View Post

Is anyone having an issue where the "Smart Hub" screen will flicker into a show when watching TV? I noticed this after leaving the TV off for about a week. I've only has my 60es8000 for 2 months. When I'm watching TiVo. During a show I have noticed three times now in 2 days the Smart Hub screen will quickly flicker in and then disappear,

Yes - ongoing issue. Samsung is supposedly aware of it but nothing has been done to fix it yet.

Hopefully - - new firmware update will fix.
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